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Well Leeds spent money they didn't have and gambled on them having a good run every year. Then they didn't qualify for the Champions league and then they lost control financially because that cost them a lot.

Personally I admire what Wenger is trying to do with Arsenal, but I think he needs to bend his principals in places if he wants to win anything major. Signing Arshavin was a step in the right direction.
 
No, actually, I've been thinking about this for a while, ever since I found out that Fabergas was the captain. to me, how in the hell do you give the armband to a KID who DIDN"T EVEN PLAY IN THE LAST WORLD CUP and IMHO is not set out to be a leader of one of the most popular and most successful soccer clubs of the past 20 years.

Have you even thought about that despite only being a young 22 as you claim, Fabregas has been with the gunners for quite a few years and he's one of the elder members on the team?? The other day when they faced Boro' in EPL, the average age of the midfield was 19. ONLY 19!! Fabregas was the eldest person in the midfield. Now, as a hypothetical to look for another captain, look who was with him in the line-up in the mid-field against Man U....Walcott (a pup himself), Nasri (just bought) & Diaby. Silvestre is just bought, Song's still trying to find his fulltime place in the backline, then look at the leftover choices you've got for captain then. Toure would be the best of that lot as he's got that experience behind him, or maybe Clichy.

For that same reasoning, I could say that Rio Ferdinand doesn't deserve the captaincy at Man United because of his behaviour off the field at certain times in the past and could pick in my opinion, more deserving people (such as Ryan Giggs for example) but then again that's me being nitpicky to Rio.

Like I said, This is a very young team. reminds me a lot of the Leeds United team of a few years back that went to the semifinals of the Champions League before losing to the eventual champions Valencia.

Only dif is, The owners of the team went bankrupt the very next season and have never really recovered (unlike Lazio, who had a similar thing that happened to them but was saved by the implentation of a strict "Salary Cap" rule that saved them and eventually led them to go back to the Champions League). I don't see Arsenal's owners doing that any time soon.

They won't. Unlike most of the other clubs, Arsenal has done more youth development than them and has kept their purchase prices relatively low, and if Arsene sells them, he's usually making a profit. Like Dave A said though, we should've sold Henry a year earlier to make double what we already had but Wenger tried everything to keep him and Henry still left.

EDIT: Besides, I wasn't nearly as angry about Henry as I was about Reyes, Gilberto Silva, and Gallas/Fabergas.

Reyes never really got off the ground at Arsenal. Silva was another I err'ed about but they were better off selling him considering the amount of midfield development they're doing (remember, avg. age 19-20-21 most matches) setting themselves up for good performances for the next 10 years with the average age of the team.
The one person I will say that Wenger stuffed up with by selling was Alexandr Hleb. He was an intrical piece to Arsenal's attacking and midfield dynamics and since being sold, Arsenal hasn't had that constant venom when it comes to set-up play. Fabregas will come good once he gets that rust out from being injured for so long but Hleb was like the other fist in a 1-2 midfield combo.

Nasri will be up there when he does similar things like he did when he first arrived at the gunners, but yesterday he looked absolutely quiet and for him to be stuck at right back during most of the first half was a case of "what the hell?!".
 
The one person I will say that Wenger stuffed up with by selling was Alexandr Hleb. He was an intrical piece to Arsenal's attacking and midfield dynamics and since being sold.

I reckon Flamini. Although he wanted to leave and Wenger didn't have much choice, Flamini was on form and consistant. We have suffered without him.

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Darn, double post. How did I manage that?!
 
By posting, then posting again ;).

I agree that Flameni was a big loss, but Hleb was a big loss too (not that you were saying otherwise). I think Hleb could control a game very well, his range of passing was good and he was able to supply the front men with good quality. It's a shame he's gone to Barca because he's not breaking into the first team there, like Flameni, he forced Arsene's hand pushing to go but it hasn't worked out for him yet.

Speaking of big losses, hopefully we'll be getting one back soon. Hargreaves recovery is supposedly going very well and the operations were supposedly successfull so hopefully he'll be back in time for pre-season as good as he has been and with his injury problems behind him. Be like signing a new player if it has gone as well as reported. He's very usefull for big European games.
 
I totally forgot about Hargreaves being a ManU player! He's been gone so long!
 
Well, unless Arsenal can score 4 times in the second half, they're boned. But I will say that Man U came out with all guns blazing and deserve to be more than just 2-0 up. The free kick from Ronaldo was shocking to say the least, an amazing kick from him for the 2nd goal.
 
I enjoyed that. Arsenal were out played again today, they started okay but then the first goal came early and Ronaldo's free kick shortly after and I think it deflated them. Other than that they didn't get the ball into the United box enough. Shame Fletcher got sent off, he would have been in the team for the final, I don't know if he would have started, but he would have been in the team. The annoying thing isn't that the ref made a mistake, it's that someone decided that you can't appeal against wrong sendings off, I don't see the logic in that.

Still, I'm happy, 3-1 is more than I would have settled for before the game and to be in two Champions league finals two years on the run is fantastic. Win, loose or draw, after waiting so long since 99 to get there only to reach the final two years on the go is a brilliant feeling.
 
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I have to say I'm feeling sorry for Chelsea right now. I don't think there was any conspiracy with the ref, I think he was just genuinely awful. I think there were two clear cut penalty claims for Chelsea tonight, and he waived both of them away wrongly.

In a way Chelsea commited suicide by gifting Barca time and space on the ball even after Abidal was sent off (another wrong call by the ref imo) and they never tried to use the extra man. Then there was a couple of very bad misses, particulalry Drogba who wasted a fantastic chance to go 2-0 up.

United v Barca is the final I wanted though, and I think we will have an easier game against Barca than we would have had against Chelsea. Barca won't frustrate us like Chelsea would have likely tried to do. I think we will play largly on the counter and will probably man mark Messi and I can see Anderson being used for this with Fletcher not being eligable and with Carrick being too valuable to tie to a player all game.

Hopefully we'll be up for it and will put on a show and if it's our night, well that will be fantastic. If not, let's hope for a great game anyway and a better ref than tonight.
 
A bad way to go out, but Chelsea can't have too many complaints... perhaps if they hadn't appealed for a penalty every time one of their players hit the deck, maybe their genuine appeals may have been more credible. The sending off was also very harsh... but regardless of the referee's bungling, Chelsea simply didn't do enough - they needed a second goal, but failed and failed miserably - both Barca and Chelsea were spectacularly unimpressive, and on that form, Man U will crush Barca IMO. The only glimmer of light for Barca was Messi, who didn't play well but fought to the death, and ultimately won them the game by setting up their goal. Expect Man City to offer Barca £2bn for him next week :rolleyes:

In the meantime...

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"A pox on your house!"​
 
How come Chelsea gets so animated when they lose? They go over the top more than any other team when they get bad calls. :lol:
 
I can't tell whether Utd were rubbish or Barca were brilliant.
 
Bit of both i think. United started so well but as soon as that first goal went in, they just fell apart and couldn't hold posession. Barca controlled the game from then on.
 
I'm kinda bummed.. I didn't find it a very entertaining match. The game looked promising early until Barcelona scored in the 10th minute. From then on, Barca looked satisfied to just possess the ball and sit back on their laurels. Considering how much possession they had, they really didn't push forward much or create many chances.

Derek Rae said it best: "Barcelona will pass you to death at times".
 
Bit of both i think. United started so well but as soon as that first goal went in, they just fell apart and couldn't hold posession. Barca controlled the game from then on.
I agree, overall Barca deserved to win that. I think we started off very well, we pressed them and Barca almost didn't touch the ball for the first 10 mins, then their first proper attack and bam, 1-0 to them and we just never got back into it. I think the combination of Barca suddenly being boosted in confidence and us being drained and we suddenly stopped keeping the ball and we didn't play well from then on.
 
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Magnanimous in defeat, sir 👍 Still, Barca were shocking - shockingly good, that is. Man U started promisingly, but the writing was well and truly on the wall after the first goal... I thought alot of players deserved credit - Ronaldo, Rooney and Park tried hard, but alas were let down by a few others, specifically Carrick and Anderson :indiff: But even so, there was little they could do against the sheer class of Barcelona... Xavi was outstanding all night, and Messi was just sublime. Atleast it was a great game to watch, and credit to Man U for making a game of it 👍
 
Wasnt a very exciting final but Barca's play tonight was far superior. After that first goal Man U just seemed crushed. Out of all the shots they had at goal not even one could find the back of the net, they were also missing simple passes and just looked sluggish after that first burst.

Ronaldo loosing his temper near the end was kinda off putting.

Robin.
 
Happy to see the Arsenal go through to their rightful place in the group stages tonight. Yes the penalty was a pretty poor decision from the looks of it (still no need for the biased commentators to spend the rest of the match moaning about it!)

Celtic were completely out classed in both legs!
 
The penalty was a blatant dive, didn't change the result though. Celtic were never going to win that tie and Arsenal deserved to go though. As for the commentators, all the needed to do was say, that the penalty was a wrong decision and he dived and then move on rather than trying to find ways to avoid saying he dived and to debate it all bloody game. It was one incident, a big one sure but to talk about almost nothing but that all game was as off putting as the dive itself.
 
It's called the beautiful game but already I'm ticking off my list of things that make football a damn awful game.

Blatant diving Eduardo tonight:tdown:
Unnecessary spectator violence West Ham vs Millwall....
Managers with oversized ego's Every Arsenal, Sunderland and Crystal Palace loss.
Horror tackles
Players with oversized ego's (Mascherano last year when Benitez had to calm him down)
 
I think Eduardo should be handed a ban, given that the evidence against him is clear cut. Sadly, even the best players still feel the need to cheat - Ronaldo, Drogba, Eduardo to name but a tiny few. This sort of cheating makes the refs look bad for getting it wrong, but the ref's decision must be respected. But either they introduce a video ref or they get tough on the cheats (or both). Although the overall result is no surprise, this blatant act of cheating did change the game - Celtic had a chance and alteast some hope while it remained 0-0, even if Arsenal were (frankly) all over them. But to steal a goal in this way effectively killed the tie - a real pity then that the decisive goal was a fraud, and Eduardo deserves to be treated like the cheat he is.

Celtic can have little complaint with the overall outcome, however - they were completely outclassed in both legs, and I can see Arsenal going far in Europe this year.
 


👎 Something needs to be done about these cheats. Banning is too good for them.
 
He's got nothing on Klinsmann:


1990 World Cup Finals


Montage of fail - 2'19 is my favourite
 
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