Ukrainian Flight PS752 Crashes in Tehran

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Transcript of IRGC’s full statement regarding the downing of PS752

https://ifpnews.com/irgc-releases-details-of-accidental-downing-of-ukrainian-plane

So they admit they were expecting full on WW3 (16 ballistic missile is a weak ass opening salvo for an “all out war”), they thought there were fighters and bombers, and cruise missiles, in Iranian airspace.....but civilian traffic was not grounded. Ok then.

Sounds like they’re going to hang this on one guy...and then probably hang him.

Could be just a language thing, but I find it odd that the casualties on flight 752 would be referred to as martyrs. I highly doubt anyone on that flight had intentions of sacrificing themselves for some grand cause.

Was this really an accident, or was there maybe someone on that flight who needed to be eliminated? In a country where ~1500 people were killed by government forces, and where ~40 people were trampled during a government controlled funeral parade, is killing another 176 people really beyond what they’re capable of?
 
It's not looking good for Iran's current leaders.

ANALYSIS-Iran's handling of plane disaster sparks new challenge to rulers

by Reuters
Saturday, 11 January 2020 17:23 GMT
* U.S, others said plane was brought down by missile

* Revolutionary Guards belatedly admitted fired in error

* Outcry over plane disaster follows November protests

* Anger may mean more protests, low election turnout

By Parisa Hafezi and Tuqa Khalid

DUBAI, Jan 11 (Reuters) - Iran's clerical rulers risk a legitimacy crisis as popular anger has boiled up at the way the state handled a passenger plane crash, which the military took three days to admit was caused by an Iranian missile fired in error.

Amid mounting public fury and international criticism, the belated admission of blame by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has squandered the national unity
seen after the killing of the country's most influential commander in a U.S. drone strike in Iraq on Jan. 3.

Huge crowds had turned out on the streets of Iranian cities to mourn Qassem Soleimani's death, chanting "Death to America".

But since the Ukraine International Airlines plane crashed on Wednesday - an incident Canada and the United States said early on was due to an Iranian missile albeit fired by mistake - social media has been ablaze with criticism of the establishment. All 176 people on board the plane, en route from Tehran to Kiev, were killed.

That mood bodes ill for a parliamentary election in February, when Iran's rulers typically seek a high turnout to show their legitimacy even if the outcome will not change any major policy.

But instead they are now hearing more rumblings of discontent, after anti-government protests in November in which hundreds of people died.

"It is a very sensitive time for the establishment. They face a serious credibility problem. Not only did they conceal the truth, they also mismanaged the situation," said a senior former official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran's clerics have swept aside challenges to their grip on power. But the kind of distrust between the rulers and the ruled that erupted in protests last year may now have deepened.

"There will be a short-term blow to the regime's credibility and this will aid the pressure on the regime from the economic and political problems it had before the latest standoff with the U.S.," said Daniel Byman, senior fellow for foreign policy at the Brookings Institution's Center for Middle East Policy.

'DEATH TO THE DICTATOR'

Video clips on Twitter showed protesters in Tehran on Saturday chanting "Death to the dictator," a reference to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Reuters could not independently verify the footage. It followed a welter of criticism in Iran.

Iran's state news agency confirmed protests had erupted.
The Guards issued an apology for shooting down the plane, saying air defences were fired in error during a state of high alert. Iran had expected U.S reprisals after it retaliated for Soleimani's killing by firing missiles at Iraqi bases where U.S. troops were stationed.

One hardline official said the mistake should not be turned into a political weapon against the establishment and the Guards, a parallel force to the conventional army that answers directly to Khamenei and is a guardian of the theocratic system.

"Let's avoid being so harsh. It was a sensitive time and everyone was nervous. You cannot ignore what the Guards have done to protect the nation and this country since the revolution," the security official told Reuters.

But Khamenei, who has always cited turnout at elections as a sign of the legitimacy of the system of clerical rule, may now find Iranians are not so keen to show their support.

"Why should I vote for this regime. I don't trust them at all. They lied to us about the plane crash. Why should I trust them when they don't trust people enough to tell the truth?," said Hesham Ghanbari, 27, a university student in Tehran.

The government is already struggling to keep the economy afloat under increasingly tough U.S. sanctions, imposed by Washington after it withdrew in 2018 from Tehran's nuclear deal with world powers. Vital oil exports have been slashed.

BEDROCK SUPPORT

"This tragedy will not be forgotten nor is it easy to overcome for the population under sanctions and pressure not just from abroad but also from the state," said Sanam Vakil, Senior Research Fellow at Middle East and North Africa Programme, Chatham House.

"This incident is a stark reminder of the gaping lack of governance," said Vakil.

The clerical system has survived more severe challenges in the past, including a crippling eight-year war with Iraq in the 1980s.

But its bedrock of support, the poor and lower middle classes who have most benefited from state largesse in the past, were among the first on the street in November in protests sparked by a hike in gasoline prices - a particularly sensitive issue where many rely on cheap fuel.

Protesters' demands swiftly turned more political, including calls for their rulers to go, before authorities cracked down.

SHOCK TO IRANIANS

Learning that Iranian forces shot down a plane, whether by accident or not, is a further blow. Many of the passengers were dual national Iranians.

Social media was flooded with angry comments from Iranians, many complaining that the authorities had spent more time denying they were to blame for the plane crash than sympathising with victims' families.

"It has shocked the public. Once more, the regime carelessly kills its own people," said Ray Takeyh, senior fellow for Middle East studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

"It punctures the already spurious narrative that the killing of Soleimani has united the Iranian people behind their government," he said.

Alongside the parliamentary vote, the elections on Feb. 21 will also choose members of the Assembly of Experts, a clerical body that in future will be responsible for selecting a successor to 80-year-old Khamenei.

Khamenei, who has no term limit, has been in office since the death in 1989 of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
 
I’m seeing all kinds of videos about the protests in Iran, particularly in Tehran, denouncing the regime. Massive protests have broke out at one of Tehran’s major universities. It’s important to remember than many of the victims were either students, or alumni of some of Iran’s top universities. The aftershock of this tragedy will ripple through Iranian academia and educated circles.

I’m also seeing stories that, as part of these university protests, the British Ambassador in Tehran has been arrested? ???



Anyone able to verify this?
 
The Ayatollah needs to step down. Ultimately, the responsibility lands at his feet. No amount of blaming Trump can distract from the utter incompetence of the Iranian government that led to the downing of this airline.

On what planet would a government not ground all air traffic while anticipating enemy air assaults???! Even just from the perspective of defense, it makes no sense. The illusion of Iranian military tenacity has been so comprehensively broken, it's hard to take them seriously after this disaster. They are just fools. They need to give it up the wannabe imperialism and do some deep internal reflection. What does Iran want to be?
 
I’m seeing all kinds of videos about the protests in Iran, particularly in Tehran, denouncing the regime. Massive protests have broke out at one of Tehran’s major universities. It’s important to remember than many of the victims were either students, or alumni of some of Iran’s top universities. The aftershock of this tragedy will ripple through Iranian academia and educated circles.

I’m also seeing stories that, as part of these university protests, the British Ambassador in Tehran has been arrested? ???



Anyone able to verify this?

There were lots of Students/Professors on the flight that attended/taught at Universities in Canada. One attended the University of Guelph,my hometown. 3 people in our community are gone due to this. A student,dentist and her daughter. Terrible tragedy. May they all R.I.P.
 
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Well, they'd make an unusual noise, wouldn't they? Probably a good time to record something. Seems a bit coincidental, but that wouldn't be an unusual behavior to want to video a weird thing in the sky because they are...weird.

This was recorded from a high distance so the explosion sound comes 11 seconds after the flash. There should have something ‘weird’ happened at least 11 seconds before the video recording started.

Anyway, it could be anything.

Just after the crash, Ukrainian president Zelensky has called everyone to refrain from hasty accusations and conspiracy theories, and wait for the investigation results. Even a comedian can be wiser than Twitter experts who already “knew” exactly what happened sooner than the victims’ bodies were collected.

So, Iran has admitted what happened. Probably because it got too obvious and impossible to hide.

The weapon that the plane was shot down with was supposedly the 9K331 Tor-M1, a close-range surface-to-air missile system.
I’m not an expert on SAM systems, but the Russian Wiki page says that the Tor can operate in manual or automatic mode. In automatic mode, it controls the airspace by itself, and automatically shoots all targets that aren’t recognized by the friend-or-foe recognition system.

In 2010, the Iranians mistakenly downed their own fighter, an F-4 Phantom... with a Tor-M1.
 
Seems the AA unit had recently relocated and had failed to calibrate its new position properly. It was receiving target information that showed the aircraft on a completely different bearing than it actually was. This, possibly combined with the aircraft's delayed departure time, gave the on-alert unit reason to consider the aircraft a threat. The unit tried to authorise launch with its command but was unable to make contact. Against protocol (we're told) the unit decided to open fire with two missiles. About 20 seconds elapsed between each missile hitting the aircraft. As per @Crash's link those on the aircraft would have been aware that something terrible was happening for at least 20-ish seconds. Truly awful.
 
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