[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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I think you're dramatically over thinking it. The weekend jihadists will strike wherever they live or wherever is convenient. Any organized effort will be directed towards high profile targets. I don't think they care much where they are, who is elected, who is accepting refugees etc. The west is the enemy and that's all that matters to them.
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Situation as it is, there's only one man at the moment that can beat Trump to the republican election, and that's Dwayne Elizondo Herbert Camacho.
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Indubitably.
Two thoroughly vetted Muslims, never having aroused the least suspicion, and having passed the most stringent current surveillance, legalities, laws and requirements, went and murdered 14 disabled persons with assault rifles in a dismayingly ordinary place.
Our whole current system of public safety is brought into question, and not just by the fear mongers.
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You seem to be conflating refugees with terrorists, at least if I read you correctly. That's the mark that the Trump is making, for sure, but it's utterly incorrect.
And that's just rubbish. They're as much under threat as the other Euro "superpowers" around them. Recent events prove that. In addition to the threat for Da'esh (and associated sympathisers) there are other terrorist threats too in flavours that Fox doesn't cover.
Perhaps this Trump will fall on fertile ground after all?
As for his London comments; the Met had this to say:
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Our own over-egged Trump, Boris Johnson, gave the best quote of all:
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There is a huge difference between "The west" and "The Enemies of the Islamic State", this is of course semantics, however the important thing to know is that the "Jihad" was declared on the enemies of the Islamic State and not the west. One can't say that the US represents the west (as much as NATO would want it to), Russia is politically not the west yet they are threatened as well, so how do you explain that?
Generalizing is what creates this whole issue, because you are assuming that they are generalizing a war against non-muslims, when in reality they have established a set of specific goals to protect or boost their ideology (the targets are picked depending on what they are trying to achieve ideologically, they didn't attack Paris on a Friday night just because).
Then you are not reading me correctly, again people is under the assumption that the terrorists are Syrian, when in reality is an international network of Jihadists, which increases the dispersion between Jihadists nationalities (given that even UK citizens joined ISIS, anyone can bomb anything at any time, given that a UK citizen could be on "Jihad" and can have access to anywhere in the US, that sort of thing).
What makes you think that Germany is going to be attacked?
You are calling rubbish on me, but I'm yet to see a terrorist attack happening on Germany, when that happens I will be proven wrong. But I know is not going to happen because ISIS is not interested on that. I hear this "threat" everywhere when in reality the targets are the least expected ones. The attacks on paris was a chained response dating from the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
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What? They are specifically targeting the west and allies of the United States, how could you say no to that when clearly with the past recent events have shown exactly just this.
We are located in the western hemisphere, so yeah, we kinda can.
Because they are a strategic ally.
Who then were they targeting at that concert? Especially since it was a mass event located just miles away from their safehouse.
The same goes with what just happened out in California. Even you said it for yourself:
Again, you said for yourself the Syrian refugees from Syria are the ones to be feared:
These refugees are coming from Syria, the terrorists are based in Syria, and those outside of Syria are the radicalized, or the ones doing the dirty work outside of Syria.
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You got many things wrong in that post, I think, I answered here in the ISIS thread as really we're off-topic.
Because the west is not what you think it is ...
You can believe that all you want, it just doesn't make it true.
Okay ... guess no one wants to mention the Russian plane downed by a "western" Ally.
You are not reading, is not about who, is about where and when, they attack a stadium to get media attention, that's the goal, they attack on a nightclub on Friday night, that is the goal. They attack the same capital where Charlie Hebdo published the cartoon, that is the goal.
Context is such a lovely thing, is particularly curious when someone does not read properly, you ignoring the point I'm trying to make when I'm saying that it doesn't matter which country has the most refugees, the targets that are to be attacked will be attacked.
I can use his logic and say use this as an example, it wouldn't be fair and I would be changing the whole idea that person is trying to make, which seems to be a common thing on these discussions.TenEightyOne
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So, is this election as much of a joke in America as it is overseas?
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If we really want to argue schematics, it is not the fact that Trump wants to ban all Muslims the right to travel to the US, he can't constitutionally do that, but what he can do is ban all incoming travel from countries of his choosing, and that is what scary about him. He won't hesitate to place a travel ban on most of the Middle East as a whole.
Speaking of his Muslim comments, the White House is going full blast on Trump:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/8/white-house-blasts-fake-hair-trump-says-anti-musli/
Speaking of his Muslim comments, the White House is going full blast on Trump:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/8/white-house-blasts-fake-hair-trump-says-anti-musli/
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Yes.
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Fake hair? For real? How does mocking someone's appearance help to get your point across? It's like 12 year olds fighting.
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But seriously, how do you ban Muslims from a country? The same way as Nazis and would-be terrorists...? In case you didn't already know, that relies on self-incrimination which in turn involves ticking a box on a small piece of paper handed to you on the plane about half an hour before you land.. (although I believe you can now declare yourself a terrorist or a Nazi online too...)
Unfortunately, it is all too easy to avoid detection as a Muslim these days - just don't tick the box... resist the temptation to recite verses from the Qur'an (especially on the plane), and whatever you do, do not pledge support for Oxford's second string rowing club or listen to track 2 on Bob Dylan's 1976 classic album, 'Desire'.
Unfortunately, it is all too easy to avoid detection as a Muslim these days - just don't tick the box... resist the temptation to recite verses from the Qur'an (especially on the plane), and whatever you do, do not pledge support for Oxford's second string rowing club or listen to track 2 on Bob Dylan's 1976 classic album, 'Desire'.
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It's funny how some agree with Trump about the dangers of Muslim Extremeist terrorism, are regularly defending guns. (There is a small percentage of Muslims who are terrorism, be wary of them all! ; Only a small percentage of gun owners commit crime you can't blame us all!)
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Like I said, a general blanket ban by way of denying visas to that country can get the job done. The overall question, should Trump be elected, is can he appoint a Secretary of State that would actually get the job done, and get it through the Senate.
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I meant how do you ban Muslims from entering a country like the USA... you can't impose a blanket entry ban based on what people think or how they identify.
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Gun rights are in the constitution, the right of people to immigrate to the United States is not.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That's not an argument at all.
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Welcome to America! Now get out or we'll shoot you with our guns.
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Come on, you're better than that... There is a reason to prevent immigration and we already know from big mouth what it is..
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Trump blows in the face of national security, we're told.
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Uhm that is not true,it's been done before!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-immigration-laws-history-1.3355142
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I think what Trump is providing is a platform for a pile of closet racists to be racist in public.
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Racism is defined by ignorance,you can't fix stupid. If someones lack of intelligence says to hate or kill someone because of race,creed,religion, or orientation ,we're all damned. Racism has been around forever and unfortunately it will never go away.
Sad but true.
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To be fair, those were before WW2 for the most part (I'll get to the Canada one) and we were still segregated, so... It pretty much doesn't matter. You can't use history for promotion of something that shouldn't occur in the first place.
Now, the SK family that "moved" here story is a load of BS. The family had a few members long before the family w/ autistic child to come here in 2003 to start their store up. What happens (and it happens in the US) is that Canada gives incentives to new business such as no/reduced taxes against said business and family operating said business. When time comes for the family who moved here temporarily, they leave, and relatives from the family run the business, now giving the tax break again all over.
It's a load a crap, and they're getting what they should get..
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I'm not promoting anything. History is what it is. North America has had its share of banning,Jews,Muslims,Catholics, Buddists et all. Hell my grandparents were Irish they went through hell in Canada in the early 1900's. People will use what they can to get votes. Look at his poll numbers now.
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Never said you were, just giving a second look to something which some people may/will overlook.
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I'm not arguing, just stating a fact. Do you have something that contradicts me or are you just going to quote the Constitution? If you'd like to see what that portion of the Constitution means to the individual right to bear arms see District of Columbia vs. Heller.
Better than what? I'm not siding with anyone I'm just pointing out that there is no contradiction between supporting Trump's position on Muslim extremist terrorism and the right to bear arms as @HELLAFLUSH240SX asserted here .
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