Unpopular Opinions- Cars in General

[homeforsummer]

Yeah, if you could actually justify your unpopular opinion using rationale and logic beyond "don't take me too seriously" that'd be nice.

The "Talk bollocks about cars and refuse to justify it because 'it's my opinion' thread"

 

[lxmmy]

Because, from my experience with some cars (Scirocco, Golf 5 and 7, Audi A1, S3 and A4) I find them... boring. Quite good to go shopping but useless for driving thrills. I can't imagine why choose VW/Audi rather than Mercedes/BMW.

What do you mean by experience as in you actually bought the cars or just doing a short test drive because a person cannot go through that many cars from the same manufacturer and say they are boring. I currently own an Audi A3 and it is by far from boring.

 

[homeforsummer]

To be fair to him, that's the argument I agree with the most. I find most Volkswagen Group stuff pretty tedious - devoid of character, all with a very similar feel to the controls whether you're in a Skoda Fabia or an Audi A4, no real sense that whoever engineered it was concerned with anything other than ticking some boxes on a big list for things that a car must include. Even the supposedly fun stuff, like Audi RS3s and Golf Rs, are only really interesting when you're driving at massively illegal speeds.

There are a few exceptions for me though and the Scirocco, which still looks great and has a nice low-slung driving position, is one of them. It feels a bit special, where something like a Golf does not.

And when you start getting to Audi R8s and the like it's difficult to level the boring justification too, though I'd still pick a 911 over an R8. Probably because I'm an idiot.

 

[Neddo]

It seems to me that only Jaguar, Lotus, McLaren and few other brands are avoided in hypersexual, violent music videos.

 

[Grandea GTR]

It seems to me that only Jaguar, Lotus, McLaren and few other brands are avoided in hypersexual, violent music videos.

You sure about Jaguar and McLaren?

(NSFW!)

 

[homeforsummer]

It seems to me that only Jaguar, Lotus, McLaren and few other brands are avoided in hypersexual, violent music videos.

Is that an unpopular opinion or just another of your completely random, JLR-related observations?

 

[R5]

It seems to me that only Jaguar, Lotus, McLaren and few other brands are avoided in hypersexual, violent music videos.

Erm... I'll... bite I guess. As said above, Jaguar and McLaren have.

Maybe the reason Lotus hasn't is because nobody outside of the petrolhead circle really cares enough for them to be an aspirational product in the same way a Ferrari or a Porsche is, meaning rather than screaming "Money" they don't do anything for the viewer of the music video.

 

[Tornado]

If nothing else, you can definitely tell Neddo isn't old enough to know of Whitesnake.

 

[Northstar]

Lotus in fact, has been in a rap video.

 

[Neddo]

Lotus in fact, has been in a rap video.

Which isn't that ott tbh

Those 2 are, especially Frank Ocean one, are OTT. However, at least some artistic integrity exists in them, because where I live, mainstream music is awful.

I didn't mean that there aren't them in videos, I meant that fewer can be seen. Much rarer than Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati, Audi and so on.

As someone who grew up with nfs, I always prefered seeing cars with videos and music like showcase videos. Just an engineering achievement driving through the winding coast with goa trance music in background. I even prefer cliche car chases to music videos.

 

[Grandea GTR]

Which isn't that ott tbh

Those 2 are, especially Frank Ocean one, are OTT. However, at least some artistic integrity exists in them, because where I live, mainstream music is awful.

I didn't mean that there aren't them in videos, I meant that fewer can be seen. Much rarer than Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati, Audi and so on.

As someone who grew up with nfs, I always prefered seeing cars with videos and music like showcase videos. Just an engineering achievement driving through the winding coast with goa trance music in background. I even prefer cliche car chases to music videos.

So what does this have to do with your opinion?

 

[TS050]

You sure about Jaguar and McLaren?

As much as I love you for linking a Frank Ocean video, you might want to add a little NSFW tag.

 

[SVX]

• Pop up headlights are only cool if they're down, otherwise they just look like an afterthought.

 

[AOS-]

• Pop up headlights are only cool if they're down, otherwise they just look like an afterthought.

I think there's only one car I like with the lights up.... and what car that is I do not recall at this time.

 

[Neddo]

So what does this have to do with your opinion?

As far as I know opinions are created based on someone's experience? I simply think, after seeing many videos, that they are rarer. Maybe I should watch every music video? Maybe that will change my concluding and my opinion? Well I was partially correct.

@homeforsummer kinda yes. But don't get me wrong, I could write lots of unpopular negative opinions on jlr.

 

[Tornado]

The C4's were damn cool. Someone with far too much time on their hands spent way too much of GM's money coming up with how those ones worked and were integrated into the body.


The C5's in comparison look so phoned in that I'm not surprised so many owners swap them out with either aftermarket flip ups or just late-NSX-style projectors.

 

[Grandea GTR]

The C4's were damn cool. Someone with far too much time on their hands spent way too much of GM's money coming up with how those ones worked and were integrated into the body.


The C5's in comparison look so phoned in that I'm not surprised so many owners swap them out with either aftermarket flip ups or just late-NSX-style projectors.

Didn't the C4's flip up full 180 degrees?

 

[epic_apri_39]

As much as I like British cars, I feel McLaren are overrated. Very overrated. Obviously, if the rumour's true they shouldn't sell out to Apple, they're still a good company, just not brilliant as almost everyone says so.

 

[R5]

As much as I like British cars, I feel McLaren are overrated. Very overrated. Obviously, if the rumour's true they shouldn't sell out to Apple, they're still a good company, just not brilliant as almost everyone says so.

The thing is, and you've gotta admit this, what the road car division has done in half a decade is brilliant. Couple that with an impressive engineering side of the business and a very good F1 team, currently only let down by an engine and you have a fairy brilliant company.

 

[Neddo]

The thing is, and you've gotta admit this, what the road car division has done in half a decade is brilliant. Couple that with an impressive engineering side of the business and a very good F1 team, currently only let down by an engine and you have a fairy brilliant company.

And unlike F1, cars are fully developed by McLaren. No borowing engines from BMW

 

[Clark]

@Neddo Apart from the fact their V8 is based on a TWR Nissan V8 and was developed with Ricardo.

 

[Neddo]

@Neddo Apart from the fact their V8 is based on a TWR Nissan V8 and was developed with Ricardo.

well that was my epic fail

 

[INEEDNAWZZZ]

It seems to me that only Jaguar, Lotus, McLaren and few other brands are avoided in hypersexual, violent music videos.

While not a music video, Lotus were apparently more than happy to provide an Esprit to the production of Pretty Woman, since Ferrari and Porsche didn't want their products being associated with a movie about prostitution. Make of that what you will.

 

[CarreraGT]

I'm guessing you have driven the GT86 to the limit to know that it is 'too slow and boring'?

Correct. Besides, you don't need to drive a car to know that 0-100 in 7+ seconds is not fast... The car is fun on the limit, but the engine in particular feels and sounds boring

 

[Neddo]

While not a music video, Lotus were apparently more than happy to provide an Esprit to the production of Pretty Woman, since Ferrari and Porsche didn't want their products being associated with a movie about prostitution. Make of that what you will.

Wasn't that movie critically acclaimed?

 

[SVX]

The C4's were damn cool. Someone with far too much time on their hands spent way too much of GM's money coming up with how those ones worked and were integrated into the body.


The C5's in comparison look so phoned in that I'm not surprised so many owners swap them out with either aftermarket flip ups or just late-NSX-style projectors.

Maybe cool was a bad word choice by me, perhaps instead ugly - now that I think of it, the Opel GT had some cool ones as well.

 

[lxmmy]

Correct. Besides, you don't need to drive a car to know that 0-100 in 7+ seconds is not fast... The car is fun on the limit, but the engine in particular feels and sounds boring

So it is fun. What were you expecting from a 2.0 litre 4 cylinder which only produces 197 bhp plus I don't think the sole purpose of the car is to do 0-100 times as the top speed is only 130 and with a short gear ratio so you aren't expecting any speed records.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

Wasn't that movie critically acclaimed?

Yes it was, but I'm certain it was originally meant to be much darker in tone and the main characters friend was meant to get murdered (or something along those lines).

Perhaps the original script is what put other manufacturers off?

 

[Tornado]

What were you expecting from a 2.0 litre 4 cylinder which only produces 197 bhp

I'd expect it to be a bit faster than it actually is. A lightweight RWD platform with a 6 speed and a revvy four cylinder should not struggle so much to outrun a base model Accord. There are plenty of impressions of the car that criticize it's complete dearth of midrange power as well, which probably has something to do with it.

It isn't even remotely an unpopular opinion for people to say that the BreezeFreese engine is the weakest link in the chain.

 

[lxmmy]

I'd expect it to be a bit faster than it actually is. A lightweight RWD platform with a 6 speed and a revvy four cylinder should not struggle so much to outrun a base model Accord. There are plenty of impressions of the car that criticize it's complete dearth of midrange power as well, which probably has something to do with it.

It isn't even remotely an unpopular opinion for people to say that the BreezeFreese engine is the weakest link in the chain.

I don't get why people are perceiving the car to be quicker than it actually is. On paper it has near enough the same performance stats to a Lexus IS200T which can be categorised as a 'mid-size' saloon with both having a 2.0L - 4 cylinder engines but the 86GT being naturally aspirated. The point I was making is that it is quite harsh to say the car is 'too boring and slow' because it didn't satisfy someones need for speed in a straight line but to be put through its paces around the corners.

But I can totally understand your reasoning because you provided a well grounded answer, rather than just replying like this:

Besides, you don't need to drive a car to know that 0-100 in 7+ seconds is not fast...