Unpopular Opinions- Cars in General
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- TheSweeney_
No doubt it will, though it's certainly not the worst "fad" to adorn the car world in recent times to be honest, though it's just as tacky.
And when done right, wide-arches look fabulous depending on the car, but each to their own 👍.
And when done right, wide-arches look fabulous depending on the car, but each to their own 👍.
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- fortbo
- fortbo
I really do not like how complex car interiors have become on newer cars. I would much rather have a simplistic interior like the one in my S4
Compared to something like this:
I really hate the single turning nobs used to control everything on the screen in the car. Really, I would rather not have the screen at all but I would rather have buttons. One thing I enjoy about the 2016 Audi S3 is that the screen has the option of being retracted back into the dashboard out of view.
Compared to something like this:
I really hate the single turning nobs used to control everything on the screen in the car. Really, I would rather not have the screen at all but I would rather have buttons. One thing I enjoy about the 2016 Audi S3 is that the screen has the option of being retracted back into the dashboard out of view.
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Slightly related to this, I have a feeling that cars leave the factory as they are for a reason. With all the time and money spent it's highly likely that the factory spec is designed to work together exactly as it is.
Now, I know that my own old RWD wagon runs higher off the ground than many crossovers and SUVs on the road today, has a tyre profile higher than most of them, and is sprung fairly soft. I still believe that it was made like that for a reason and it doesn't necessarily get any better by taking an angle grinder to the springs and dropping it by four inches, and by equipping wheels three or four inches larger with tyres that are best described as rubber mats. If it worked better after those modifications I'm pretty sure it would have been built like that right from the start. For some reason it wasn't.
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- TexRex72
I'm with you about 99.97% of the way--I'm a big fan of unmodified vehicles. The only significant concession I make is to the "California Look" or "Cal-look" aesthetic pertaining to aircooled Volkswagens, and even that has negative aspects in the form of really sketchy cornering characteristics because of the narrowed front track, skinny front tires, aggressive rake and inherent rearward weight balance of the cars...but handling wasn't the primary focus.
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- fortbo
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I have to disagree with this, manufactures make cars from the factory in a way that makes them the most practical for road use and not necessarily complete performance. There is nothing wrong with this, but for someone who is looking at making a track car, modification is very necessary. Things such as heavy power restricting exhaust systems are meant to make cars quiet rather than actually helping engine performance. Stock suspension is designed with in a compromised way with some performance in mind with certain cars but comfort on the road is always going to be a priority. Lowering a cars ride height with racing coil-overs will certainly improve a cars performance because they are not compromised with needs for comfort over performance. Aero is also something that can be very important although that is something that is only needed for applications such as racing and time attack where a car's factory aerodynamics is simply not enough. Lighter wheels and better tires are also very important.
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@fortbo explains it quite nicely for me.
I see no issue with someone putting in a great deal of hard work to create their own dream car, whether it's built for the track or not. And at the end of day, if it's not everyone's taste, so what, I certainly won't judge them for it if they've put the hard work and effort of their own, as it's their car not mine. I certainly don't see it as them "disregarding" the work of the manufacturer to create said car, as it's up to the owner to do what they wish, not what the manufacturer or designer thinks.
At the end of the day, as much as I despise "stanced" cars and anything else that differ from my taste, I respect the work the owner put's into creating such a piece, regardless of how much a don't like it.
For me personally I have no issue with a great deal of work being put into changing a cars aesthetics, if it's function matches it's form, that's just coming from someone who leans more towards race cars as opposed to show and "stance" cars.
I see no issue with someone putting in a great deal of hard work to create their own dream car, whether it's built for the track or not. And at the end of day, if it's not everyone's taste, so what, I certainly won't judge them for it if they've put the hard work and effort of their own, as it's their car not mine. I certainly don't see it as them "disregarding" the work of the manufacturer to create said car, as it's up to the owner to do what they wish, not what the manufacturer or designer thinks.
At the end of the day, as much as I despise "stanced" cars and anything else that differ from my taste, I respect the work the owner put's into creating such a piece, regardless of how much a don't like it.
For me personally I have no issue with a great deal of work being put into changing a cars aesthetics, if it's function matches it's form, that's just coming from someone who leans more towards race cars as opposed to show and "stance" cars.
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This isn't disregarding the manufactures work.
A stock road car is built for the road and is not suitable for racing use unless it is modified from what it was in the factory. Any road based racing car you see is an example of this. You can't expect everyone who wants a track car to have the money to go and buy a factory built racecar like an R8 LMS. Sometimes, people have to modify a road car like I did with my S4 or like the S2000 in the picture to be able to have a competitive car in something like time attack in my case.
And no, I do not agree with any modification that puts others at risk.
A stock road car is built for the road and is not suitable for racing use unless it is modified from what it was in the factory. Any road based racing car you see is an example of this. You can't expect everyone who wants a track car to have the money to go and buy a factory built racecar like an R8 LMS. Sometimes, people have to modify a road car like I did with my S4 or like the S2000 in the picture to be able to have a competitive car in something like time attack in my case.
And no, I do not agree with any modification that puts others at risk.
Downhill Dino
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I don't know what class that S2000 is running, or the build of it, but there are chances that it's more tube framing than S2000.
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Bad example then since that car can be up for some debate, here's a better one.. http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArtic...wered-F20C-Devin-Giles-Time-Attack-S2000.aspx
This car was in my class at Gridlife and we were not allowed to run tube chassis.
This car was in my class at Gridlife and we were not allowed to run tube chassis.
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- TexRex72
Okay, so new car, but do you suppose it's using suspension geometry as it was designed by Honda? Surely someone else went to a great deal of effort to make sure everything new not only works together but works with existing equipment. That's a far cry from hacking open wheelwells to fit airbags and then slapping on somebody's $4000 bodykit and radically low offset wheels that probably put undue stress on existing equipment.
I'll also point out, again, that I understand certain modifications that serve a purpose. I suppose it may all come down to my not acknowledging the break-the-internet mentality as justification for such modification when motorsport isn't the aim.
Something else I'll point out is that I brought up my disdain for such modification here and not in the opinions that conform to those of everyone else thread.
I'll also point out, again, that I understand certain modifications that serve a purpose. I suppose it may all come down to my not acknowledging the break-the-internet mentality as justification for such modification when motorsport isn't the aim.
Something else I'll point out is that I brought up my disdain for such modification here and not in the opinions that conform to those of everyone else thread.
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- fortbo
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Some time attack cars are actually running bags now, but nothing has to be hacked open or modified to fit something like a bag setup. Each kit is made to be used with the existing equipment on the car. That is the case with the majority of coilover setups as well which are more readily used at the track. A company like KW for example extensively tests their suspension at the Nurburgring with the car the setup is made for before the suspension is actually put on the market for sale. Companies like H&R, Bilstein, and BC test their suspension extensively at the track for each application that the system is designed for. Far from the days of cut springs. Coilovers and bags are expensive for a reason and that reason is the build quality as well as the testing and R&D that goes in to their production.
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Well that escalated rather quickly...
The point isn't the people who spend thousands in coilovers, track spec wheels, functional aerokits, you name it, and actually know what they're doing. Or at least have half an idea. I literally meant those who use the angle grinder on the stock springs and buy 19" wheels that weigh more than the original wheels and tyres combined, finish it all with some 30-profile Chinese tyres, and call it a day being absolutely certain that the car has been greatly improved - well it hasn't.
The point isn't the people who spend thousands in coilovers, track spec wheels, functional aerokits, you name it, and actually know what they're doing. Or at least have half an idea. I literally meant those who use the angle grinder on the stock springs and buy 19" wheels that weigh more than the original wheels and tyres combined, finish it all with some 30-profile Chinese tyres, and call it a day being absolutely certain that the car has been greatly improved - well it hasn't.
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I think the B8 Passat is really, really beautiful.
Turbo
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It certainly is a step ahead in terms of styling compared to the Passat that North Americans get.
