Unpopular Opinions- Cars in General

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I don't really see any problem with sports/supercar companies making SUV's, if anything it seems like a perfect fit. They are after all frivolous ego-stroking status symbols with very little functional benefit over much cheaper cars, much like the sports and super cars they have made for the longest time.
 
It's hard to make such a large car a good-looking Civic. Badge it as an Accord and you'd be getting somewhere.
 
The Ferrari F50 looks better than the Ferrari F40.

The 90s was the absolute peak for Supercars/Hypercars.

The Diablo is the best looking lineup of Lamborghini released.

This one is obviously biased but IMO the CLK-GTR is better than the McLaren F1 in literally every way and it deserves the title of the greatest supercar ever made instead of the McLaren F1 as it beat it in pretty much every race against it.

The R33 GTR is the best looking and sounding* GTR model released.

The R34 only looks good in JGTC spec and is bloated and unappealing in regular road spec.

The Nissan 300ZX Z32 is very undervalued and should be priced at the same level as atleast the FD3S RX7.

The AMG M120 is the best sounding engine ever made as the CLK-GTR followed by the Pagani Zonda are IMO the best sounding cars ever made.

The sound of the Mazda 787B is overrated and actually quite annoying IMO.

The Pagani Utopia is the best looking Hypercar made within the last 10 years.

The AE86 Toyota is a incredibly ugly and boring car and I cannot understand why it has such a cult following. *Yes I am aware of initial D but even then I do not feel that it deserves to be looked at as a iconic car.

I do not know if this one is unpopular or not but the C4 Corvette is the worst looking model of the entire Corvette lineup and aged the worst out of all of them as it looks very very dated.

White rims are actually a good look on cars, but only Sportscars or supercars.
 
The Nissan 300ZX Z32 is very undervalued and should be priced at the same level as atleast the FD3S RX7.
Undervalued according to who, and by what metric? This isn't really a thing where the opinion being an unpopular one really matters. They made over 3 times as many Z32s in the first year than Mazda made FD3S in its entire lifespan in the US. In its first year of introduction the Z32 sold so well in the US it doubled Corvette sales. Even just restricting it to USDM VG30DETT models there are 50% more than there are FD3S (and USDM numbers are really what set the market vs the hassle and frequent illegality of importing JDM cars), and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a higher percentage of those remaining than FD3S remaining as well. Mazda made more FD3S worldwide than Nissan made VG30DETT Z32s, but Z32s overall outnumber the FD3S by something like 90-ish percent.






It's the same reason that contributes to why neither of them will ever be as valuable as A80s (Mazda sold significantly more FD3S than Toyota sold A80s period, either US or worldwide; nevermind Supra Turbos which were only 60%-ish of that number).
 
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Used cars are only valued by how desirable they are. If there's little interest in them 25 years on, then their value won't be as high as other cars that were seen as contemporary rivals but have always retained a strong fan-base.

The Z32 was always over shadowed by the Skyline GT-R as Nissan's sporting coupe.

Toyota had the Supra, Honda the NSX, Mazda the RX-7, Mitsubishi the 3000GT and Nissan the Skyline GT-R. The fact that it also had the Z32 gets overlooked. it might have sold well but it never had the following that the GT-R did.

Their values now come from the kids who were too young to buy them back in the day, but loved them through playing Gran Turismo. Now they have some money sloshing around, they want the actual cars they had posters of on their bedroom walls. The Z32 may well have been a decent car in its time but no one is buying them now off the back of a favourable 1989 Road & Track group test.
 
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The AE86 Toyota is a incredibly ugly and boring car and I cannot understand why it has such a cult following. *Yes I am aware of initial D but even then I do not feel that it deserves to be looked at as a iconic car.
Initial D connotations is one thing, but outside of that I believe it's a combination of rear wheel drive and fantastic chassis, same as the Starlet P60, Talbot Sunbeam and the Escort Mk1/Mk2. All very popular in rallying as they're fun and predictable to drive.
 
Not sure if this can be considered unpopular, but I feel like I hardly hear about the earlier Nismo variants of the Z33 and Z34. I find both better looking than the 2015 Nismo facelift. The fronts are debatable with how bloated they look, but something about the spoiler and rear bumpers look good to me.

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Pre-facelift Z34 Nismo:
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For some reason I find them more attractive than 2015+ Nismo Z34s:
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I always thought the Z33 looked like it'd been stung by something; the S-Tune was just the right amount of visual flare for me. Agreed on the 370Z though. I don't think grafting DRLs on it did the design any favours, and the Nismo just has slashes and lines which make it look a bit messy.
 
The more I see FK8 Civic Type Rs, the more I've grown...used to them? Either that or you could say that I tolerate the "boy racer" styling. Although in stock form it is very dependent on the angle you look at the vehicle. From a higher angle it looks good, but down low it looks a bit too tall.

A decent angle to view the FK8.
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This makes it look too tall.
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But in all honesty, the FK8 seems more cohesive than the current BMW M4/M3 with the super tacky M Performance add-ons. How is it that BMW looks more "ricey" than the new FL5 Type R? Not exactly a fair comparison between the two, but seeing pictures of the M Performance add-ons make me question if we were a bit too harsh on the FK8 CTR.
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I got a two-year-old Toyota C-HR as a rental and thought it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the auto media purported it to be. I have a similar car back home and wanted to hate on it for not being available in manual, but wound up liking it because it fit me like a dang glove over 600 miles of driving.

Thrashy engine and CVT combo? Big 'ol blind spots in a small vehicle? Cup holders too darn deep and has meh fuel economy for the sector? yes, but surprisingly well-composed at most everything else. Also, the rear seats are snug, I can see my kids hating that. I'm not in a hurry anymore.

I guess nobody like to see HR unless they're starting a new job, so that's penalty of a name.
 
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I got a two-year-old Toyota C-HR as a rental and thought it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the auto media purported it to be. I have a similar car back home and wanted to hate on it for not being available in manual, but wound up liking it because it fit me like a dang glove over 600 miles of driving.

Thrashy engine and CVT combo? Big 'ol blind spots in a small vehicle? Cup holders too darn deep and has meh fuel economy for the sector? yes, but surprisingly well-composed at most everything else. Also, the rear seats are snug, I can see my kids hating that. I'm not in a hurry anymore.

I guess nobody like to see HR unless they're starting a new job, so that's penalty of a name.
Compared to the larger Corolla Cross that's technically it's replacement, the CH-R is at least funky in it's design rather than super dull. Something about the Corolla Cross looks like it came out in the early 2010s for being a "new" 2020s car/crossover. I just wish it had AWD offered like it's Lexus UX sibling with the hybrid powertrain. It was a hard sell in snow states like here in Maine and I never cared for it's driving dynamics.

Almost the same could be said with how the Nissan Juke got replaced by the much more dull Nissan Kicks. At least the Juke had AWD and I can't help but find the second generation that North America never got to at least be more interesting of a design than the Kicks.


Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I'm getting awfully bored of Porsche's design lately. I suppose not so much the 911, but more of the Cayman/Boxster, Macan, and Cayenne to be specific. Facelifts and redesigned newer generations really don't feel like much of a change from previous generation/pre-facelifts. Then again, Porsche isn't known for radical redesigns.


Cayenne for example doesn't seem to have changed much since the 2nd generation in terms of shape.

2nd gen (2011 - 2018):
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3rd gen (2019 - 2023 or later?):
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Upcoming 2024MY which I...think is a new generation? (from a leaked screenshot) As I said, I can hardly tell it's all new or it could be another facelift.
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Compared to the larger Corolla Cross that's technically it's replacement, the CH-R is at least funky in it's design rather than super dull. Something about the Corolla Cross looks like it came out in the early 2010s for being a "new" 2020s car/crossover.

I can forgive a lot of things on the Corolla Cross, mainly because it's built five miles from my home. It disappointed me but I suppose there's some flaws I could live with. Maybe for those who just don't want a RAV4 like everyone else?

It's fine for most buyers, but the steering is so incredibly vague, I think the rack and pinion has been replaced with a few strands of Red Vines (or Twizzlers, if that's your preference). It reminds me of the second-generation Matrix, which was also a sloth in a koala's clothing.

Also, the rear tires of the CC require less pressure than the fronts, as I'd found when going a steady 55 but weaving about unexpectedly on I-5 south of Seattle. That's a new one, apparently 34-35 psi all the way around makes it ride spooky over 50mph...this is why I carry a cheap tire gauge. The rear axle is rated for 29, oddly. I can see this being an unexpected comeback for any lesser-prepared Toyotathon crews.

Weird because the steering for the this-gen vanilla Corolla and outgoing CH-R seem to be zestier and have less slop, at least compared to most Toyota products. But I guess the market for a mini-SUV-ish thing has started to evaporate, as if the xD and iM weren't already giving warning signs to the moThership.
 
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On the anti-SUV echo chamber train, this video was entertaining:


I've driven a truck since I was 16. Have been driving a car the last two years since the prices spiked and absolutely hate it. Will buy a truck as soon as the prices normalize again. That guy sounds like a total weiner.
 
I honestly tried watching notjustbikes a couple of times and ended up getting annoyed. With that said, I love that he mentioned that usefulness of a station wagon, which is what most people in my country basically forgot about.
 
All those urban planning channels are copying each other's half-researched ideas, but I just found his anger at SUVs enjoyable.
 
I only watched three minutes of that video before I couldn't take it anymore, but SUVs are pretty useful for cities. They deal with dilapidated city roads better, as well as infrastructure that's aggressive towards cars like steep parking lot ramps and speed bumps. Their ride height gives affords you further forward visibility, which is handy when the roads are congested with traffic. The only problem, which many have touched on before, is that it's an arms race. Your ride height is only advantageous until a truck that's taller than you is blocking your visibility when trying to make a right turn at a 3-way intersection, or when you're sandwiched by two taller vehicles in a parking spot and lose all your visibility for exiting. It's incredible that regular people still believe the notion that SUVs are safer, since you're far more liable to roll over in a crash that would be no big deal in a lower center of gravity car. My only beef with SUVs is that their popularity has negative effects for other road users. So many people drive crossovers, minivans, SUVs and lifted trucks now that roadtripping in a sedan almost feels obsolete because you can't see around all the slowpokes in the former categories listed.
 
Having only ever owned small Hondas, I disagree with traffic visibility being a real issue. Don't buy into the marketing. Exiting a parking space between two trucks, sure, it's a bit annoying, but only because most drivers lack the courtesy to stop and let you out when they see you backing out slowly... but just keep backing out slowly. However, in traffic I have the two brain cells required to respect a safe following distance. Even in my lowered RSX, speed bumps and the steep ramp into my apartment's parking lot are a complete non-issue. Those kinds of things have to be designed to accommodate normal factory-spec cars; the popularity of higher vehicles is only a recent trend. A potholed road is going to be more uncomfortable in a smaller car, but no less damaging to tires in an SUV. Be smart enough to slow down and dodge the worst of it and you'll be fine.

I understand that some people will have a genuine need for the ground clearance. People who go hiking in the mountains, for example; where I live, I can be deep in the Rockies in ten minutes, and I know how some of those trails can be. Or people who have something like a boat that they tow to a lake in the summer. But it's a very small portion of the population who frequently need those abilities. Certainly nowhere near enough of those people exist to justify the percentage of the market taken up by those vehicles. Google Maps once failed me and took me (again in the lowered RSX, on summer-oriented all-season tires) down a dirt road to a hiking trailhead. Boy was I getting questioning looks from all the Subaru drivers... but my car had no problem navigating a surface that they all probably thought was so aggressive. I've been in multiple similar situations, that I don't believe most drivers will ever experience rougher than. I can't remember who said it, maybe it was the guys on the Carmudgeon Show, but they perfectly summed up crossovers and SUVs as "just in case" vehicles. You know, for the urbanites who somehow believe they might find themselves one day on a surface just shy of being a rock crawling trail. Or who don't realize that companies who sell large items tend to offer delivery, or that you can rent vans and pickup trucks for hauling stuff on that one day out of the year you might actually want such utility. As that video pointed out, these kinds of problems didn't exist in the '90s, so why do people suddenly believe they exist now?
 
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If you live anywhere that gets any decent snowfall, a vehicle with high ground clearance is a must. Where I live, if I had my Volvo I would've been stuck more than once this year just to the sheer amount of snow on the ground. A week and a half ago, when I left to go to the grocery store, there were at least 8 inches of snow on the road and it was wet and heavy. Unless you have ground clearance, you're not making it through that.

Other than that, SUVs and crossovers have just replaced minivans for most of the population. Prior to that, minivans replaced station wagons.
 
^ Deep snow would be the one context where I would agree with an SUV's usefulness. But I also don't live in the northeastern US to experience real snowfall. My area of Colorado gets an honest blizzard once every decade, and in that, my car fared just fine because I have dedicated snow tires.
 
Having only ever owned small Hondas, I disagree with traffic visibility being a real issue. Don't buy into the marketing.

I never said it was impossible to drive regular cars in the city. Don't be so condescending. All I said was SUVs make it easier to deal with annoying crap like parking lot ramps and speed bumps, or not being able to see out of parking spaces. It's nice that you trust people to actually stop when they see a car backing out, because I don't trust other drivers to ever do what they're supposed to.
 
Unpopular opinion: The Cadillac Cimarron really wasn't that bad of a car, both looks wise and technologically. Most of the hatred it gets has to do with it being a badged-over Cavalier as the first compact car offering of GM's most premium brand. While in no means was it a great or revolutionary car, I just can't find myself loathing it as much as most others seem to do.

The Cimarron's biggest flaw wasn't even the fact that it was a Cavalier, rather its atrocious powertrain in its debut year, 1982, instantaneously tarnishing any reputation it would get. Though this engine only lasted one model year, the measly 82hp from the 1.8L I4 made the car feel slower than even a Chevette, doing 0-60 in over 22 seconds. This was corrected with the addition of a 2.8L V6 making a hearty 135hp, and a more responsive 2.2L I4. On the outside, it was a decent looking car, having a Cadillac-like grille, two-tone paint schemes, and gold badging, giving it a vaguely Italian feel; I'll even go as far as to say it looks somewhat like a Maserati Biturbo/228 from a distance. The interior was well-apportioned too, with standard leather seats and suede door trim, power-adjustable seats and steering wheel, digital instrument cluster, extra sound insulation, and a higher-quality audio system. Driving wise, it featured amenities not seen on other J-cars, like standard ABS, and a more stiff, sport-tuned suspension with upgraded shocks and larger sway bars. Reviewers found that the Cimarron, compared to the other J-cars, handled more responsively, had less body roll, and a quieter ride. Furthermore, it wasn't even that poorly selling of a car, and actually outsold the some of its less expensive rebadge-mates- the Skyhawk and Firenza- in certain years. In all, though it couldn't hide it's Cavalier roots, the Cimarron did feature a number of improvements and features to differentiate it.

Ultimately, the Cimarron was nothing more or less than a product of its time. In the early 1980s, Cadillac, like Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac, did not offer any truly bespoke products, rather more well-equipped or niche cars based on existing GM cars/platforms. The design and engineering team at Cadillac were under tight parameters and the J-car was Cadillac's only option to enter the compact segment. Though it would certainly disappoint when compared to it, it simply wouldn't be fair to expect that Cadillac's compact car offering at this time would be some kind of 3-Series rival, as especially as the two cars served different buyer profiles. I just think that the Cimarron's placement on nearly every "top 10 or 20 worst cars ever made" list, or some scathing review by a Youtube auto historian, isn't totally justified. The evidence that the Cimarron so severely tarnished Cadillac's reputation and "nearly killed Cadillac", according to reviewer Dan Neil, just isn't there. Rather, the Cimarron was an uninspiring, par-for-the-course car that didn't really have any notable impact on the Cadillac brand outside of the hyperbolic reviews it received.

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That analysis sidesteps the main issue, though. Whether or not the Cimarron was ever realistically going to be a competitor to a 3 series or 190 isn't the point. The problem is that GM didn't even try, and people were insulted when they acted like they did. That V6 wasn't even an option until 1985 (meaning until the Cavalier got it too), four years after the J-Body debuted. It wasn't standard, which it should have been from Day 1, until 1988. The base engine, if GM just demanded that the Cimarron not come fitted with a V6 from the start for whatever reason, should never have been the 1.8. The interior (and exterior, for that matter) never should have been the Cavalier one barely upfit.



These are all things GM could have easily done, even in 1981 and even with the rushed development the car had. That V6 debuted with the X-Body cars a year prior. The X-Body cars had a four cylinder substantially more suitable than the 1.8 or later 2.0. The J-Body had several much more premium interiors to work with as a base instead of choosing to upfit the the worst, cheapest one that was chosen. All of the stuff to make the Cimarron, if not plausible as 3 Series competition than at least adequate as a small Cadillac, existed or were in development well before the car came out. Cadillac didn't use any of them, and dumped the car that was obviously a Cavalier with different taillights onto Cadillac showrooms and ruined the momentum that had been granted by two wildly successful downsizing attempts in recent years. It may not have destroyed Cadillac's reputation by itself (the 4100 and standard diesel engines probably did a lot more for that) but it absolutely destroyed the facade of Cadillac being a premium brand with premium engineering for a premium price in the GM portfolio.


GM dealers at the time also weren't omnibrand "GM" dealerships like we know them today, so you had Cadillac-specific dealers who now were forced to try to sell/justify an extremely obviously non-premium car. And the ones that did sell multiple brands would have to justify to customers why the Oldsmobile Firenza in the same lot had a nicer interior and different exterior than the Cavalier but the more expensive Cimarron didn't deserve either.
 
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Not so much an opinion but a thought I had today ...is the 2008 to 2010 Audi RS6 the most front-engined car ever built? It has 10 cylinders, and every one of them is completely in front of the front wheels. Granted, this isn't practically much different than Audi's prior 5 cylinder stuff, but it is twice as much engine even if the length is comparable. I can't think of another car that has more engine, more forward of the RS6. There's some W12 bologna out there, but I'd argue that's a more compact and sensible engine to put there in the front. Can anyone think of something that trumps the RS6?
 
I can only think of the Oldsmobile Toronado having the largest engine for an FF drivetrain which I know wasn't quite the question but it was still a longitudinal engine, I think.
 
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