Update 1.03 - What exactly happened to the MR cars?

iLex
You do know there is no real confirmation whatsoever that they fixed anything about the MR cars, right? They might still be as (im)perfect as they were.
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The aftermarket wheel bug is fixed.. Confirmed, with pics. It is dramatically different now compared to before in an MR car with aftermarket wheels. Premium NSX '91 for example.

MR cars in general? Who knows.
 
Been doing some testing with the stratos and cizeta so far. I would say handling at lower speeds is definitely better, higher speeds it's about the same as before. When I did spin it initiated much more gradually and was therefore easier to catch. Could be placebo but that's what I have found.
 
Foxiol
Is not that it is difficult...lol Try rFactor 2 and then come talk. ;) But it felt different and I had to re-adapt to it. (maybe also because I went to use cockpit which I wasn´t using before)

I´m a "physics whore" when it comes to simulation...I always feel the little minor differences that perhaps others don´t.

Maybe you are too pro man. Ayrton. :bowdown:
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I wouldn't go that far.. maybe that Toyota suits me, I do like Laguna as I use it for testing all my cars. And I use a T500RS with a playseat. Thought the car was pretty good. But sometimes its just down to luck if that particular car suits your driving style or not.

On the other hand with the BMW M4 seasonal, I struggled for 3 laps and only then did I get gold after much sweat.

Good luck :cheers:
 
There is somethings that have changed that is for sure!

First the tire width is now the same and it makes the handling the same, before/after custom rims.

The f40 that was tricky with standard rims and almost undriveable with customs, is now tricky with both :)
But is it exactly like before on standards? I am not sure actually... Might be a little bit different. Like somebody said that its better in low speeds but the same in higher. It miiiight be, I am not sure.

But I am rather sure that the M4 is clearly better! It is on a different track and I am going to test it tomorrow on the ring to see if It drives the same. But it felt a little bit more surefooted, I really didnt like it before since it felt too loose and not fun at all. It still bites hard but its not like before I think.
Feels like they have put one a better set of tires!? Is it the same as in the last seasonal?
 
I find MR cars less snappy now since V1.03. Not having to add nose ballast to make them easier. Having a blast with Lotus's now round Bathurst. Always thought Lotus should handle better than they did.
 
Foxiol
The Toyota FT-1 was surprisingly "happy" (nervous) as well and it took me more than 6 laps in the seasonal event to learn how to push using the gas and also the braking points. (that car has bad brakes in my opinion or is just because of the grip)
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I'm not sure if we drove the same car...

The FT-1 is a pretty balanced drive, but actually tends towards understeer and not oversteer.
 
I've only drive the Tesla Roadster since the update and found it really controllable, very fun car to drive actually.
 
dr_slump
I'm not sure if we drove the same car...

The FT-1 is a pretty balanced drive, but actually tends towards understeer and not oversteer.
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Indeed. People praise the brakes but to me they felt weak for something that only weighs 1320kg.
The car tends to push in corner entry and not spin out.

NixxxoN
The Stratos can be "domesticated" by putting extreme front ballast. I have no clue if you can do anything else to it.
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Yeah. I'm trying to find something to do with it without using a ballast but I just cant.
If you break in a straight line and use as little steering angle as possible while using the throttle to rotate the car, it works well but I'm just not talented to do that just yet.
 
The Honda NSX race cars don't feel any different to me. They still lose grip more easily than they did in GT5.
 
HBR-Roadhog
Apparently it is not limited to MR cars, While testing tire wear on a Nascar at Daytona I saw that after pitting the rear tires wore a good bit faster than the fronts and lap times were about .4-.5 seconds slower than on the first set of tires. Clearly appeared to be less traction on the rear tires after the stop causing both slower lap times and accelerated tire wear of the rear tires

I am thinking the car was on CS tires in the other event?
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Since then, I did the Silverstone S class race today with the '09 Corvette LM race car. First 5 laps the tire wear was normal, in fact fronts wore quicker than rears, and grip was awesome. After tire change, the rear tires wore at twice the rate of the first set. RH tires. So yeah, that bug is not fixed and it affects FR cars too. *edit*.. and after tire change, the rear tires howled the entire time, even on the straights. I saved the replay, it is so obvious.. no one could watch that and say that wasn't a bug.

No ABS, no aids at all.

Before that race I did the same race with a premium Audi R8 LM race car.. Handling was ridiculous after the tire change, but pretty bad before too.. Snap over-steer while braking in a straight line, even with brake bias set to front a little for example. Other MR racecars are much better though, so who knows.
 
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MR car didn't feel that different from before...not that I have too much issues with them aside from R8 LMS or AW11...
 
Yeah those Audis are terrible.. Other MR racecars, like the Bentley Speed 8, and normal MR cars like the NSX '91, etc.., absolutely fine.
 
Yeah the Audi was a bit rough, my first and only experience in it thus far was a Nurburgring event where I found it incredibly difficult to keep on the track and under control. At first I thought I was just driving really badly but then I saw the reports on here about the car and felt a bit better about it. I drove a few more races out there in other cars without issue.
 
The only issue I ever found with MR cars was related to braking. All other cars in the game were fine with default brake balance but the MRs required very low rear settings unless you were in a habit of keeping the wheel/DS3 at zero-lock while braking. Trail braking? Forget it. Haven't tried one with the new update. If I knew that was going to be in it, I would have ran some tests prior to the update.
 
I just tried a stock btr to check if anything has changed and while the rear still comes out in braking and cornering like before (maybe a bit less) it is much easier to catch! I didnt had a problem with the handling before (but i couldnt drive it fast) but now its still challenging but the easier way to catch it seems more realistic to me!
 
BWX
The aftermarket wheel bug is fixed.. Confirmed, with pics. It is dramatically different now compared to before in an MR car with aftermarket wheels. Premium NSX '91 for example.

MR cars in general? Who knows.
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I know the aftermarket wheel bug is fixed. However, this makes any car that has wider rear tires and is fitted with aftermarket wheels more controllable. This is not an MR-only thing.
The unofficial bug fix list however states that handling of MR cars is fixed. By now I think that is false. At the very least there is no conclusive evidence or a significant amount of claims (compared to the claims stating otherwise) to back it up.
The problem with these claims is that there are always people who see or experience it too. People are easily influenced. If I were to state that 'rosso corsa' looks slightly richer and deeper in 1.03 I am sure I'll find some people who see it too :)

I am not saying they absolutely didn't do anything about MR cars, but there is just no evidence at the moment to say they did.

Maybe it would be better if @Terronium-12 took the statement about the MR cars being improved from the news section.
 
I still haven't had a chance to try the 1.03 update, unfortunately, so I have no first-hand experience to recount.

However, reading through the comments on this thread it seems like some people are noticing a small difference in the handling of MR cars - that the snap oversteer is not so bad, a bit more progressive, easier to correct.

I guess the easiest way to tell if there's really a change would be to try the really difficult pre-1.03 update MR cars (GT40, Audi R18(?), Cizeta, Stratos).

I'll have a go later.
 
iLex
I know the aftermarket wheel bug is fixed. However, this makes any car that has wider rear tires and is fitted with aftermarket wheels more controllable. This is not an MR-only thing.
The unofficial bug fix list however states that handling of MR cars is fixed. By now I think that is false. At the very least there is no conclusive evidence or a significant amount of claims (compared to the claims stating otherwise) to back it up.
The problem with these claims is that there are always people who see or experience it too. People are easily influenced. If I were to state that 'rosso corsa' looks slightly richer and deeper in 1.03 I am sure I'll find some people who see it too :)

I am not saying they absolutely didn't do anything about MR cars, but there is just no evidence at the moment to say they did.

Maybe it would be better if @Terronium-12 took the statement about the MR cars being improved from the news section.
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So far to me the MR cars in general feel more forgiving than before when it came to snap oversteer. And if it does step out, it's more manageable to correct instead of being a Jesus take the wheel moment. Again though it's my personal feel on it so it can be all placebo.
 
I tried the Stratos and Audi LMS Ultra Anniversary cars round Bathurst after the update yesterday and didn't notice any difference.

Personally I really like the Stratos, but can only drive it with front tyres one grade less grippy.
 
sumbrownkid
So far to me the MR cars in general feel more forgiving than before when it came to snap oversteer. And if it does step out, it's more manageable to correct instead of being a Jesus take the wheel moment. Again though it's my personal feel on it so it can be all placebo.
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This is the problem :). There are about as many people reporting no change as there are reporting something along the lines of what you are writing.


SillyBillyP
I still haven't had a chance to try the 1.03 update, unfortunately, so I have no first-hand experience to recount.

However, reading through the comments on this thread it seems like some people are noticing a small difference in the handling of MR cars - that the snap oversteer is not so bad, a bit more progressive, easier to correct.

I guess the easiest way to tell if there's really a change would be to try the really difficult pre-1.03 update MR cars (GT40, Audi R18(?), Cizeta, Stratos).

I'll have a go later.
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Indeed. You need them side by side and preferably set a huge amount of lap times with them :lol:
 
iLex
...The problem with these claims is that there are always people who see or experience it too. People are easily influenced. If I were to state that 'rosso corsa' looks slightly richer and deeper in 1.03 I am sure I'll find some people who see it too :)
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I'm looking forward to participating in the new thread: Update 1.03: "Rosso corsa" looks slightly richer and deeper
:D
 
People seem confused about the MR/FR bugs, so I'll clear it up.

These bugs only apply when using racing tyres, all cars I've tested are fine on sports or comfort tyres.

Some MR cars, like the Audi R8 LMS ultra/Oreca, the Cizeta, Delta Wing, some BMWs, and probably a few others have bugged handling on their first set of tyres. After a pit stop, the handling of all these cars are dramatically improved and I think their tyre wear is unaffected, although I haven't tested that properly. However a lot of the MR cars I've tested are fine which is why people have been getting confused.

FR cars on the other hand are fine on the first set of tyres, but after a pit stop, they are slower and will under steer more and have increased tyre wear. As far as I know this happens with all FR cars, at least the ones I've tested.
 
Tire wear is increased on rear tires in an FR car with racing tires on the second set. I can confirm that.. The *edit* REAR tire wear just about doubles driving exactly the same. I just tested it and saved the replay file for posterity. (Silverstone S class race with Corvette LM '09)

I could make a 20 minute vid but I don't feel like it really.
 
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Tested the 111R on Brands, it was slightly less prone to losing it. Still oversteered, but the point of no return is less exaggerated. I think they've just calmed the MR cars down a little bit, nothing too drastic. They done a good job imo. 👍
 
I think we need a color coding system to separate facts from speculation.

Let say we use
green for facts. This includes things that are confirmed by Sony/PD and things that are confirmed through proof or a significant amount of claims.
red for speculation, hunches and unconfirmed claims.
orange for things that cannot be verified (things like:'took my elise for a test drive'.. no one can verify if you really did it :) )

I'll give an example:
My full first name is Alexander.
I live in The Netherlands
I have a wife and two kids
I love my wife
My wife loves me
At least, she says she love me
I believe her


Now for this thread:
The aftermarket wheel bug has been fixed
They changed the handling of MR cars
 

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