Using the Handbrake

[Warren4649]

Given the terrible clutch emulation they did in gt5, usin clutch kick techniques is useless.
I personally use the e-brake but not as much as I would do if it was more accessible on my G27. IMO a 0-10 brake bias is a bad idea.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Given the terrible clutch emulation they did in gt5, usin clutch kick techniques is useless.
I personally use the e-brake but not as much as I would do if it was more accessible on my G27. IMO a 0-10 brake bias is a bad idea.

I beg to differ

 

[Gonales]

Given the terrible clutch emulation they did in gt5, usin clutch kick techniques is useless.
I personally use the e-brake but not as much as I would do if it was more accessible on my G27. IMO a 0-10 brake bias is a bad idea.

Yeah, it's so bad I know at least 3 other people that use it besides me. And not bad drifters.

 

[DriftShiro]

Given the terrible clutch emulation they did in gt5, usin clutch kick techniques is useless.
I personally use the e-brake but not as much as I would do if it was more accessible on my G27. IMO a 0-10 brake bias is a bad idea.

You are trippin mate. Although the clutch is not 100% functional compered as how it should in real life; clutch kicking is pretty useful for drifting. Its a life savior. And if you know how to use it properly you can use it in your advantage.

 

[Warren4649]

I use it from time to time (the clutch) for fun purposes only.
It's better in some cars and terrible on some, but yet I wouldn't use it on a comp. LFS clutch is 50x better for example.

As for the 0-10 brake bias, to each his own but for someone relating that much to real life (to bash on non CH drifters), Gonales, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but nobody would use such a bias in real life drifting (or nobody who has common sense).

 

[Gonales]

I use it from time to time (the clutch) for fun purposes only.
It's better in some cars and terrible on some, but yet I wouldn't use it on a comp. LFS clutch is 50x better for example.

As for the 0-10 brake bias, to each his own but for someone relating that much to real life (to bash on non CH drifters), Gonales, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but nobody would use such a bias in real life drifting (or nobody who has common sense).

So it's okay to bash people for using a 0-10 rear brake bias, saying its unrealistic, but as soon as I say such a thing about differentials, I'm an elitist jerk...

And the 0-10 rear brake bias just works like an E-brake... You just need to make sure you lock the tires/brakes. I only don't have normal stopping power, but still manage to cause a lot less accidents than most people... So that's a statement to Defensive Driving abilities?

 

[Lock2Lock]

As for the 0-10 brake bias, to each his own but for someone relating that much to real life (to bash on non CH drifters), Gonales, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but nobody would use such a bias in real life drifting (or nobody who has common sense).

The reason for the brake bias is to make it a e-brake. Put it this way it is like a foot e-brake. Fully adjustable not just on and off.

A e-brake like this can be used in real life too. Just no one does it. For example (and don't bash me for what I am about to say because i would actually bring it to professional FD and it would be 100% legal in the FD) but i had a 1994 GMC Sierra 1500 single cable 2WD and i used to drift it. I disabled the locking mechanism that locks the e-brake in place so I can hit it and it come right back up. Worked just like a normal e-brake but on the floor same thing no difference.

Point being that it doesn't really matter what or where your e-brake is. And just because the professionals don't use it doesn't mean I couldn't be doing what they do with that method.

 

[Kitten]

i tap ebrake i dunno tried it with wheel massive angle needed to shift into 4th but missed the whole shift ._. How Great...

 

[GODfreyGT5]

0-10 Brake bias works nice, considering most us don't have physical handbrakes it's a solid alternative. It does however slightly brake the front wheels, and a smoother locking on the back wheels which can work better than the handbrake in certain situations.

I do however still use the handbrake (circle button) when needed, either I've come slightly too slow into a mid/low speed corner or I've ran a too 'inside' line, to an extent that cannot be resolved with the 0-10 brake bias. You do get used to following the button round the wheel with your tumb, but it can get a little hectic sometimes

 

[Drift_Monkey]

for those who use 0-10... from my experience it will be very rewarding when you setup a controller as an ebrake.

Get some rubberbands and strap it to the side of your wheel and use R2. That's what i did.

 

[eddyac]

So it's okay to bash people for using a 0-10 rear brake bias, saying its unrealistic, but as soon as I say such a thing about differentials, I'm an elitist jerk...

And the 0-10 rear brake bias just works like an E-brake... You just need to make sure you lock the tires/brakes. I only don't have normal stopping power, but still manage to cause a lot less accidents than most people... So that's a statement to Defensive Driving abilities?

Using this on my G27 now aswell 👍

 

[Bluntified]

I hear some people use their paddles as their e brake. They say it works good and always accessible. I haven't tried it personally, I set my top left and right buttons on my G27 as my e brake, works good enough as I don't use it often. The clutch is also very effective, in my opinion.

 

[CJDA9]

I agree with warren about the horrid clutch simulation in the gt5 but clutch kicking works perfectly fine, shifting is what the real problem is. You cannot shift properly in gt5 it is amazing how bad it is. The clutch is more of a hindrance than an advantage in gt5. You just cant question or state any different if you have been exposed to the PC sim world, LFS has such an amazing clutch I just wish it was in gt5.

But anyway I use a DS3 controller assigned to controller one as a e-brake, it is attached to a homemade lever. I just like the realism of the setup. 👍👍

 

[TwistyDrift]

Given the terrible clutch emulation they did in gt5, usin clutch kick techniques is useless.
I personally use the e-brake but not as much as I would do if it was more accessible on my G27. IMO a 0-10 brake bias is a bad idea.

How? Exactly that the clutch is horrible?.....Clutch kicking is diff useful.

 

[CJDA9]

How? Exactly that the clutch is horrible?.....Clutch kicking is diff useful.

If you have ever played a PC sim like Live For Speed for example you wouldn't be asking that question. Also yes clutch kicking works just fine in gt5.

 

[Lock2Lock]

If you have ever played a PC sim like Live For Speed for example you wouldn't be asking that question. Also yes clutch kicking works just fine in gt5.

I second this

 

[TwistyDrift]

If you have ever played a PC sim like Live For Speed for example you wouldn't be asking that question. Also yes clutch kicking works just fine in gt5.

Yes, I have played LFS for like a few hours and I also played Rfactor. LFS clutch is close to realistic but GT5 isn't that bad.

 

[CJDA9]

I guess it isn't the clutch that is the problem in gt5, it's the damn miss shifting glitch. You cannot flat foot shift in gt5 for example, you almost have to take your foot completely off that damn gas for it to shift. If my gear lever is in second then it should be in second gear not neutral. LFS doesn't miss shift nearly as much as gt5 and IF you do miss shift it's because you haven't depressed the clutch enough, not because you didn't let off the gas. That is how it should be.

Anyway we are getting off topic here back to the Handbrake, I made my lever out of slotted angle iron, a crutch leg, and hardware. I first used a old flight slick connected to the left or right stick of a DS3 controller, that works very good in a pinch. 👍👍

 

[CHIAKI]

for those who use 0-10... from my experience it will be very rewarding when you setup a controller as an ebrake.

Get some rubberbands and strap it to the side of your wheel and use R2. That's what i did.

Yep! This way is super easy, and super quick! Once you get used to it, it will be as easy as when you ebrake on a DS3. (“⌒∇⌒”)

 

[TwistyDrift]

Yep! This way is super easy, and super quick! Once you get used to it, it will be as easy as when you ebrake on a DS3. (“⌒∇⌒&#148

I don't get it -_- can you give me some pictures so I can try it out because right now I'm using the button on the shifter

 

[Synapticgap]

Anyone here wanna add me as a friend to meet in the lobby and coach me on drifting? I get the basic idea, but I am not "getting" it. I think I need some finer points explained to me as I try them out. Reading a forum post, then trying the advice, then replying and waiting for a reply just isn't working out.

I drift a Silvia, but it seems too wild or I'm too aggressive. Last night, I drove my IS200 with SH tires and the car just power slides like in the movies. But I didn't intend to do a drift race... so you see I am very clueless and can't even drift when I want to or prevent it when I don't. I am Lvl 39 A-Spec and have been driving GT for 15 years. Why this hasn't "clicked" yet, I can't explain...

 

[Gonales]

Anyone here wanna add me as a friend to meet in the lobby and coach me on drifting? I get the basic idea, but I am not "getting" it. I think I need some finer points explained to me as I try them out. Reading a forum post, then trying the advice, then replying and waiting for a reply just isn't working out.

I drift a Silvia, but it seems too wild or I'm too aggressive. Last night, I drove my IS200 with SH tires and the car just power slides like in the movies. But I didn't intend to do a drift race... so you see I am very clueless and can't even drift when I want to or prevent it when I don't. I am Lvl 39 A-Spec and have been driving GT for 15 years. Why this hasn't "clicked" yet, I can't explain...

Start using comfort hards, and locking your diff. Thats the most important. Just start with controlling slides, before you try all out drifting. The S section on High Speed Ring is perfect for learning drifting.

 

[TwistyDrift]

Start using comfort hards, and locking your diff. Thats the most important. Just start with controlling slides, before you try all out drifting. The S section on High Speed Ring is perfect for learning drifting.

Locking you diffs; Using a controller is no use to be honest you can turn the wheel in less than a second but if you are using a wheel you need to lock your diffs. Just go to Suzuka East Circuit It has a lot of turns Right curved bend and left.

 

[Synapticgap]

Start using comfort hards, and locking your diff. Thats the most important. Just start with controlling slides, before you try all out drifting. The S section on High Speed Ring is perfect for learning drifting.

Okay, first of all, thanks for the advice. I am not completely out of control, lol.

I am able to stabilize a slide when it happens, and I can initiate a slide, but only sometimes, and usually, when the angle of the car gets a little too steep, I try to correct it, but instead of gently easing back, the car jerks and spins.

I showed someone a video, they said that I don't get enough oversteer, although I clearly slide around a corner smoothly with smoking tires. I get every indication and feedback that I'm not doing it right.

Now, what is locking your diffs? Lock them how? Just set it all to zero? And I don't have a wheel. I use the DS3.

 

[Gonales]

Locking you diffs; Using a controller is no use to be honest you can turn the wheel in less than a second but if you are using a wheel you need to lock your diffs. Just go to Suzuka East Circuit It has a lot of turns Right curved bend and left.

I don't really care what people use. Drifting, lock the diff. Thats just my opinion. And yes, there is a VERY noticeable difference, even on DS3.

Okay, first of all, thanks for the advice. I am not completely out of control, lol.

I am able to stabilize a slide when it happens, and I can initiate a slide, but only sometimes, and usually, when the angle of the car gets a little too steep, I try to correct it, but instead of gently easing back, the car jerks and spins.

I showed someone a video, they said that I don't get enough oversteer, although I clearly slide around a corner smoothly with smoking tires. I get every indication and feedback that I'm not doing it right.

Now, what is locking your diffs? Lock them how? Just set it all to zero? And I don't have a wheel. I use the DS3.

Locking a diff, basically means putting it to either 5 60 60, or 60 60 60. I use 5 60 60 (5 being initial torque). This makes sure that both rear wheels (when drifting), turn at the same speed. It's a lot more controllable.

Basically, HSR is better than Suzuka, because it's not cambered nor elevated (which is easier), plus the S bends are so long, you need to be extending a drift before linking into the next corner, which isn't true on Suz east, all the time.


P.S.: This is all an opinion, do with it what you will. I'd suggest to just try it, and see how it feels.

 

[KING OF SKULLS]

I am able to stabilize a slide when it happens, and I can initiate a slide, but only sometimes, and usually, when the angle of the car gets a little too steep, I try to correct it, but instead of gently easing back, the car jerks and spins.

Maybe a post with your main setup will help to understand what your problem is. There are many factors in the setting that influence the behaviour of a car, so it's not easy to say what causes your spins.

But to slow down the movement of the car's rear (oversteer) you can try to:

- lower the spring rate (rear)
- lower your anti roll bar rate (rear/front)
- lower the damper rate (rear)
- shorten your gearbox

 

[miko1337]

Maybe a post with your main setup will help to understand what your problem is. There are many factors in the setting that influence the behaviour of a car, so it's not easy to say what causes your spins.

But to slow down the movement of the car's rear (oversteer) you can try to:

- lower the spring rate (rear)
- lower your anti roll bar rate (rear/front)
- lower the damper rate (rear)
- shorten your gearbox

What he's experiencing is understeer.

You could try adding some positive toe angle on the front.
Stiffening the dampers.
Stiffening the ARBs.

But before you do any of this, make sure when you are counter-steering wanting to come out of the drift, you don't counter-steer too hard. Because when you have a little bit of understeer it can help you make fast transitions in between corners.

Example: You take a right corner. You are in the drift, counter steering at near- or full steering lock. When you want to come out and you know your car has understeer; Get off the gas, pull the analog stick sharply to the left, and as you straighten out apply a little bit of gas and pull it back to the right. This will reduce the amount of understeer by a ton.

 

[TwistyDrift]

I don't really care what people use. Drifting, lock the diff. Thats just my opinion. And yes, there is a VERY noticeable difference, even on DS3.

Locking a diff, basically means putting it to either 5 60 60, or 60 60 60. I use 5 60 60 (5 being initial torque). This makes sure that both rear wheels (when drifting), turn at the same speed. It's a lot more controllable.

Basically, HSR is better than Suzuka, because it's not cambered nor elevated (which is easier), plus the S bends are so long, you need to be extending a drift before linking into the next corner, which isn't true on Suz east, all the time.

P.S.: This is all an opinion, do with it what you will. I'd suggest to just try it, and see how it feels.

HSr, does have a longer bend which needs you to maintain the drift but in Suzuka you need good transition skills and accelerator skill. Both tracks are both good to train on. If you still want help send me a FR and I'll try explain everything to you in game.

 

[Gonales]

HSr, does have a longer bend which needs you to maintain the drift but in Suzuka you need good transition skills and accelerator skill. Both tracks are both good to train on. If you still want help send me a FR and I'll try explain everything to you in game.

Lol, you want to try and help me? xD That's quite funny.

 

[miko1337]

Arrogance just kicked in yo!!!