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[Warren4649]

HSR is better for beginners than Suzuka, end of story.

 

[TwistyDrift]

Lol, you want to try and help me? xD That's quite funny.

Hmm, can you tell me where I said I want to help you....I don't know why its so funny to ya

If you read the earlier post synapse wanted some help. So I said I want to.

 

[Aquarelle]

HSr, does have a longer bend which needs you to maintain the drift but in Suzuka you need good transition skills and accelerator skill. Both tracks are both good to train on. If you still want help send me a FR and I'll try explain everything to you in game.

Pretty sure Gonales is good for drifting tips 👍 considering she was one of the few that really turned my drifting around and got me to where I am today

Arrogance just kicked in yo!!!

Please stop with this. Gonales has already caved to your nonsense by disclaiming her every post with "In my opinion" despite the fact it should be painfully obvious that it's her opinion and doesn't require such a disclaimer and yet you continue this absurd behaviour.

I implore you to ignore Gonales if she irritates you so much because you're doing nothing to help.

Hmm, can you tell me where I said I want to help you....

Right about here;

Both tracks are both good to train on. If you still want help send me a FR and I'll try explain everything to you in game.

Your sentence structure makes it appear that you are still referring to Gonales as you made no effort to break the sentence or address another party 👍

 

[TwistyDrift]

Pretty sure Gonales is good for drifting tips 👍 considering she was one of the few that really turned my drifting around and got me to where I am today

Please stop with this. Gonales has already caved to your nonsense by disclaiming her every post with "In my opinion" despite the fact it should be painfully obvious that it's her opinion and doesn't require such a disclaimer and yet you continue this absurd behaviour.

I implore you to ignore Gonales if she irritates you so much because you're doing nothing to help.

Right about here;

Your sentence structure makes it appear that you are still referring to Gonales as you made no effort to break the sentence or address another party 👍

Well I never seen Gonzales drift nor seen him teach people so I wouldn't know.

P.S I never questioned his drifting tips

-_- I must have done something wrong with the quoting stuff. But I was talking to spaz

 

[Aquarelle]

Well I never seen Gonzales drift nor seen her teach people so I wouldn't know.

Gonales is female 👍 hence why I was saying "she"

Your sentence structure implied that you were offering to teach Her, hence our reaction of "lol what".

P.S I never questioned her drifting tips

Regardless of whether it was how you intended what you said or not, it did come across that way

-_- I must have done something wrong with the quoting stuff.

It would seem so.

I was talking to spaz

And now we know. 👍

 

[miko1337]

Pretty sure Gonales is good for drifting tips 👍 considering she was one of the few that really turned my drifting around and got me to where I am today



Please stop with this. Gonales has already caved to your nonsense by disclaiming her every post with "In my opinion" despite the fact it should be painfully obvious that it's her opinion and doesn't require such a disclaimer and yet you continue this absurd behaviour.

I implore you to ignore Gonales if she irritates you so much because you're doing nothing to help.


Right about here;


Your sentence structure makes it appear that you are still referring to Gonales as you made no effort to break the sentence or address another party 👍

Someone has a crush. But on a serious note, you're right. I wish there was a block button.

 

[Stavingo]

Someone has a crush. But on a serious note, you're right. I wish there was a block button.

This is why the drifting forum can't have good things.

 

[TwistyDrift]

This is why the drifting forum can't have good things.

Just expressing opinions.

 

[miko1337]

Just expressing opinions.

Twisty I'm down to chill and help you with Gymkhana if you wanna. I'll be on for a bit.

 

[TwistyDrift]

Sweet, add me TwistAndSlide, I'll 've on in 2-3 hours time.

 

[miko1337]

Sweet, add me TwistAndSlide, I'll 've on in 2-3 hours time.

Right on. Added.

Back on topic now. Lol

 

[Aquarelle]

Someone has a crush. But on a serious note, you're right. I wish there was a block button.

Please don't be so petty. I have a partner that I'm very much in love with.

Gonales is my friend and even if she wasn't I constantly come across you ripping into her at any chance you get.

You don't need a block button to ignore people 👍

 

[Gonales]

Arrogance just kicked in yo!!!

Not really. Considering people often call me elitist, maybe that's just who I am? I know what I can and can't do, and I doubt there are a lot of people that can still make me improve.

Hmm, can you tell me where I said I want to help you....I don't know why its so funny to ya

If you read the earlier post synapse wanted some help. So I said I want to.

Your grammar made it look like you were offering me help, that's why I said what I said. No offence meant, and I know now, you didn't mean it the way I read it. Sorted.

Someone has a crush. But on a serious note, you're right. I wish there was a block button.

There is. But because people are nice to me, doesn't mean they have a crush on me. There are people that actually like me, you know.

 

[LERK84]

There is. But because people are nice to me, doesn't mean they have a crush on me. There are people that actually like me, you know.

I know because im one of them people & its more than like, I can vouch for Dom's drifting & teaching skill's as I myself have benefited from them.

 

[TwistyDrift]

Right on. Added.

Back on topic now. Lol

Oh, my bad I didn't accept your FR because I thought it was some random guy lol. It didn't have anything in the message box

 

[Synapticgap]

Locking a diff, basically means putting it to either 5 60 60, or 60 60 60. I use 5 60 60 (5 being initial torque). This makes sure that both rear wheels (when drifting), turn at the same speed. It's a lot more controllable.

Basically, HSR is better than Suzuka, because it's not cambered nor elevated (which is easier), plus the S bends are so long, you need to be extending a drift before linking into the next corner, which isn't true on Suz east, all the time.


P.S.: This is all an opinion, do with it what you will. I'd suggest to just try it, and see how it feels.

I figured out how to lock by watching Top Gear the other night, they were speaking about it. Pure coincidence. I also tried it on my Motorsport Elise at 5 60 60. I noticed the difference right away, and finally settled on 14 60 35 to make it actually drive-able as well. Haven't tried too much with it though, as my power kept going out and waiting for the PS3 to check its file system each time takes 10 minutes... so I gave up for this week.

Appreciate the practice course hints. I prefer Suzuka over HSR - the curves are tighter, yes, but there are also more of them and it's not all interrupted by a flat-out bank turn...

My biggest challenge I find is controlling the front wheels. I can throttle easily enough, but I find that the spring return in the DS3 stick is a very poor "centering" mechanism. For example, IRL my steering wheel will provide me with feedback of whether I turn the wheel slightly, hard or too much (beyond grip). I understand that the only way to get that is with a expensive wheel controller, but even a cheap one would allow me to go from a steady 35-degree right tilt to a steady 10-degree left tilt and then smoothly return to 35 degrees right. Something I simply cannot do with the DS3...

I blame the "dead spot" around the center... the little area where the spring returns the stick to that registers as "zero". When you push the stick in any direction, it has a little play before it reads as "0.1 g/cm" or whatever the units are, but from that spot to full force is only a quarter inch of movement, and then there's another little play until it hits its mechanical maximum. A real car's steering has effect whether it's at zero or a tiny bit tilted to either side. There's no cushion factor that makes the wheel take effect only if you turn it more than 5 degrees and the effect doesn't max out when you tilt it 45 degrees. Oh how I wish I had a wheel controller...

So on theory, drifting with the DS3 is kind of a "simulation" because IRL it's not possible to turn from full right to full left in 1 second. In replays, my front wheels go back and forth like pinball machine flippers.

It's very frustrating to find that people are literally drifting circles around my car as I spin frantically out of control in a cloud of my own tire smoke.

What he's experiencing is understeer.

You could try adding some positive toe angle on the front.
Stiffening the dampers.
Stiffening the ARBs.

But before you do any of this, make sure when you are counter-steering wanting to come out of the drift, you don't counter-steer too hard. Because when you have a little bit of understeer it can help you make fast transitions in between corners.

Example: You take a right corner. You are in the drift, counter steering at near- or full steering lock. When you want to come out and you know your car has understeer; Get off the gas, pull the analog stick sharply to the left, and as you straighten out apply a little bit of gas and pull it back to the right. This will reduce the amount of understeer by a ton.

Okay, I see that I am not going to be helped by asking questions.

I am not looking to set up a specific car to drift well, I know how to do that, and I have several cars that can powerslide just beautifully.

The suspension settings make sense to me, although I try to be careful with the toe/camber settings.

The steering seems to be the issue. If I handle my DS3 stick in the way you describe there (the way you'd think it makes sense) then the car overcorrects and doesn't come out of the slide but spins past normal and I lose control.

I would draw pictures, but it would take hours to upload and share them, that's why I asked for a live coach. I would like to spend some time actually driving with someone who can actually drift properly, not just gymkhana around the cones at Top Gear...

HSr, does have a longer bend which needs you to maintain the drift but in Suzuka you need good transition skills and accelerator skill. Both tracks are both good to train on. If you still want help send me a FR and I'll try explain everything to you in game.

Whoa missed this one, this caused some misunderstanding between y'all.. lol

I'll friend the both of you, accept or reject as you will

 

[Gonales]

I figured out how to lock by watching Top Gear the other night, they were speaking about it. Pure coincidence. I also tried it on my Motorsport Elise at 5 60 60. I noticed the difference right away, and finally settled on 14 60 35 to make it actually drive-able as well. Haven't tried too much with it though, as my power kept going out and waiting for the PS3 to check its file system each time takes 10 minutes... so I gave up for this week.

Appreciate the practice course hints. I prefer Suzuka over HSR - the curves are tighter, yes, but there are also more of them and it's not all interrupted by a flat-out bank turn...

My biggest challenge I find is controlling the front wheels. I can throttle easily enough, but I find that the spring return in the DS3 stick is a very poor "centering" mechanism. For example, IRL my steering wheel will provide me with feedback of whether I turn the wheel slightly, hard or too much (beyond grip). I understand that the only way to get that is with a expensive wheel controller, but even a cheap one would allow me to go from a steady 35-degree right tilt to a steady 10-degree left tilt and then smoothly return to 35 degrees right. Something I simply cannot do with the DS3...

I blame the "dead spot" around the center... the little area where the spring returns the stick to that registers as "zero". When you push the stick in any direction, it has a little play before it reads as "0.1 g/cm" or whatever the units are, but from that spot to full force is only a quarter inch of movement, and then there's another little play until it hits its mechanical maximum. A real car's steering has effect whether it's at zero or a tiny bit tilted to either side. There's no cushion factor that makes the wheel take effect only if you turn it more than 5 degrees and the effect doesn't max out when you tilt it 45 degrees. Oh how I wish I had a wheel controller...

So on theory, drifting with the DS3 is kind of a "simulation" because IRL it's not possible to turn from full right to full left in 1 second. In replays, my front wheels go back and forth like pinball machine flippers.

It's very frustrating to find that people are literally drifting circles around my car as I spin frantically out of control in a cloud of my own tire smoke.

The elise isn't a great drift car imo. Doesn't feel right on the wheel.

But when you blame the controller for not being able to drift... That's ridiculous. When I got the game the first time it took me 15 mins practice to link Suz East completely. And I can definitely tandem with it.

Really, there is a difference between wheel and controller, but both are very much capable of drifting decently.

 

[Reddee]

^^Agreed the ds3 is so easy to drift. The wheel is a different story. Lol

I don't quite understand the spring return stuff the ds3 centres perfectly there's no if ands or buts about it. I think your problem lies else were because it can't be what your describing unless you need a new ds3.

 

[Synapticgap]

I tend to over-explain a lot. My DS3 isn't broken for sure, I just dislike the little "dead" area around the center... There isn't such a thing on a wheel. But enough of that...

Yes, I can drift somewhat, but I suck and I can't figure out why, hence my pleas for help. I know it's me, I am not blaming the controller, just ranting about some stuff while posting.

So now it's hit the tarmac and practice my butt off until my rims have no rubber on them.

By the way, are the Eiffel and Tokyo Kart tracks any good for practicing? I got the impression they're totally flat...

 

[miko1337]

I would draw pictures, but it would take hours to upload and share them, that's why I asked for a live coach. I would like to spend some time actually driving with someone who can actually drift properly, not just gymkhana around the cones at Top Gear...

Was that an insult towards me?...

 

[Synapticgap]

Was that an insult towards me?...

Gosh no, why would I insult you?

It was kind of a dig at the random online kids that start driftrooms but can't drift either, just like me...

You know, the 10 to 16 year olds without skills. So you go into one of their rooms and expect people drifting, but instead it's just a bunch of kids doing donuts and burnouts and when you try to link a lap, they ram you, etc.

 

[miko1337]

Gosh no, why would I insult you?

It was kind of a dig at the random online kids that start driftrooms but can't drift either, just like me...

You know, the 10 to 16 year olds without skills. So you go into one of their rooms and expect people drifting, but instead it's just a bunch of kids doing donuts and burnouts and when you try to link a lap, they ram you, etc.

Lol. I teach Gymkhana to people, was just kind of Ironic. My bad.

 

[Synapticgap]

Okay so I'm on Suzuka trying to get used to sliding...

First I think I got it, then on the next corner my weight transfers too quickly and I spin off...

I reckon that if you could do a more or less continous drift through the track only 15 minutes after having installed the game then you must be somewhat gifted....

The reason I even want to drift is this YouTube video I saw of someone doing a full lap on Cape Ring basically smoking tires the entire time, AND the driver made good time too. I figured that if I could at least learn to slide around hairpins to keep the rpm up and therefore get better exit velocity, then I would have an extra edge in some races. Funny thing is that in GT3 I used to 2player battle my roomie all the time and often we would drift around each other on Trial Mountain or Deep Forest, so I KNOW I know how to slide, sowhy is it so hard for me?

Ive practiced 22 laps on Suzuka East now and I'm beginning to become rather frustrated

 

[miko1337]

You can send me an FR if you want to practice. I have a mic but I can't use it. getting late. :l

 

[Synapticgap]

You can send me an FR if you want to practice. I have a mic but I can't use it. getting late. :l

I shall FR you for sure, if you want to have a fresh disciple, lol.

And to answer my own question: the Tokyo Bay kart track is very flat, I tried it in my Lexus IS200, which has a better power balance than both my RX-7 and my Silvia. I mean it doesnt have so much horse power that it's impossible to control. The RX-7 has good balance and a great power band, but I appear to have overbuilt it into a beast... kind of like a Viper, imo a horrible car that requires all aids on just to keep between the shoulders in a race.

 

[Bluntified]

A good way to reduce or eliminate your ds3 dead zone is to use the stick like an actual wheel instead of going left and right, make circular motions, it helps a lot.

I used that method all the time when I was using my ds3, it worked very well (takes some time to get use to) and looks good on replays, no flapping tires!

 

[Synapticgap]

A good way to reduce or eliminate your ds3 dead zone is to use the stick like an actual wheel instead of going left and right, make circular motions, it helps a lot.

I'm familiar with that trick. It doesn't work that great for me, but I get the point.

I'm starting to get the feel for angular (yaw) momentum, which is what keeps me from stopping a spin...

 

[Reddee]

Do you use manual transmission ?. Manual is a must if you want to drift properly, on ds3 I used x and square as gear up and gear down, and r2 accelerate and L2 brake, this is the most natural feeling setup I tried. Also on ds3 I used to use my gears a lot I was constantly up and down gears to controll my drifts. If you need some one to help you add RSM-deedub I drift wheel but I drifted the ds3 for 3 year.

 

[Synapticgap]

Well Duh-uh I use manual...

 

[TwistyDrift]

Do you use manual transmission ?. Manual is a must if you want to drift properly, on ds3 I used x and square as gear up and gear down, and r2 accelerate and L2 brake, this is the most natural feeling setup I tried. Also on ds3 I used to use my gears a lot I was constantly up and down gears to controll my drifts. If you need some one to help you add RSM-deedub I drift wheel but I drifted the ds3 for 3 year.

I would think EVERYBODY uses manual. It's the first rule always use Manual or it will change gear while drifting which is not what you want.