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Yeah I hear you man, can't be easy going through life so easily offended. I think I'd be as salty as you if I had skin as translucently thin too.
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- Thread starter Ashthebash
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- Ulricehamn
If I had a dollar for every time I thought someone did me wrong but the replay proved it was accidentally or a third person I would have a Fanatec by now.
Groundfish
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It’s already been made clear you agree that if you attack me and are UNSURE if you were at fault, you won’t give back the place you will wait till the end and watch replay, well I’m here to tell you if I AM sure it was your fault I’m returning that favor.
Why should you get my points by your wrong?
Yet for you in your mind you believe you hold moral high ground? Nope that is reserved for guys like Legend I’m afraid.
If it comes out afterward that I was wrong I will sincerely apologize.
That would make me sad.
But it doesn’t surprise me that you might not be offended since by your own logic you can do no wrong!
Again that’s ridiculous. That’s not reality, that’s not racing.
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You need to write down our names or something because I haven't said half of the things you're referring to in this post.
I've said absolutely nothing about giving back places (whether I do or not), but here you are talking about it like I did.
I've commented on the original move, but elsewise said absolutely nothing about how I act on track so you really have no idea.
Groundfish
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I was assuming you read post 382?
This is hypothetical, I’m not saying anyone here, personally, of course races badly ok?
I’m just explaining the reality of what happens when guys insist on regularly making attacks in grey areas of validity.
If you do nothing, it’s not racing, they just intimidate you and win.
If you simply yield and turn the other cheek you lose points, because of people playing like jerks.
If no one does anything then the jerks behavior is getting positive reinforcement!
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Based on your posts I assumed it wasn't a requirement to actually read anything in this thread.
Let me rephrase my question then so it's easier to understand (perhaps!):
What makes you the authority on judging all of these incidents?
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Groundfish
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Experience.
I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve seen where people in 911 RSR or those type of cars try people under braking in a grey area, slightly cause contact and pass.
Myself personally I do my best to avoid that by leaving a margin for error.
Others here opened a discussion then said they have a lot of comfort in this grey area more than me and if I don’t like it it’s not their problem!
That IS my problem when they hit me! The slightest error on their part could end my race right there!
I’m not infallible for crying out loud, but I have studied as much as I can on the matter.
It’s pretty obvious in game when these impatient yahoo’s make a habit of chucking it up the inside.
Ive been forced to adapt my style to compensate for this.
I call it protecting people from themselves.
Bottom line though if you attack me in a grey area unfair manner I will get angry at you just like 95 percent of the people in game will do.
That’s reality. That’s racing.
You seem to be saying there’s no excuse for racing, to my view.
I understand if you are a total pacifist and respect that.
If you wanna just let EVERYTHING GO EVERY TIME, to me that’s unrealistic.
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The slightest error in your judgement when you decide one of these people are in the wrong and revenge punt them could end *their* race. Something worth considering.
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"Keep your head down and focus is not an option. I REPEAT: Keep your head down and focus is not an option. Punt at sight."
Groundfish
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Wow.
Already addressed it. Yes I would feel awful and send a sincere apology.
That’s why I won’t do it unless I’m certain. Do you honestly believe I’ve never considered that?
Like most people I do my best to leave margin for error, but I can’t control some jerk trying a grey area overtake on me.
That’s their attack, their choice, but I’m subject to its effects.
Therefore if they mess up they are subject to my revenge.
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Just pointing out that the original video showed a Ferrari that pulled the manouver off with no contact AND a Porsche that initiated contact.a
So according to that logic the Ferrari should retaliate against the Porsche, yet it was the Porsche that deemed the attack dirty and retaliated against a clean overtake.
I guess he used his experience.
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Honestly it's hard to keep up with you because you write incoherently and contradict yourself every two posts, so I missed that bit.
So again we're back to the point where you get to be certain of something, but nobody else can. In the hypothetical diving scenario where you are certain the other driver is in the wrong, is it not possible for that driver to think they're performing a clean, aggressive, move?
Why do you get to think you're certain but the other driver can't? That smells like a double standard to me.
Groundfish
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Yes. We established him as an idiot.
The topic now has changed some.
It wasn’t my intent to thread Jack but, much like a poor choice on a overtake, people couldn’t let sleeping dogs lie and tagged me back into this thread, which I wanted no part of.
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Much like on the track when we get go exercise our judgement on whether or not to turn in on someone, you also get to exercise your judgement in when to reply or not to a thread. 👍
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Real talk, who has left over popcorn? Any amount of popcorn is a single serving.
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Do that in real racing and you’ll get banned for life. Try and apply the same logic to online racing and you’ll have a much better time. If things get heated just step away.
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I think you misread. The way he worded it, I think he usually enjoys stale popcorn. He's just not enjoying it while reading this thread.
Might sound weird but he also eats "hunny" out of jar and doesn't wear pants.
Groundfish
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Great buddy, never said that.
Is it impossible that, given 2 SEPERATE viewpoints, 2 different PHYSICAL LOCATIONS in game that perhaps what might be clear to one driver is not clear to the other?
Perhaps the driver that made the attempt was unsure but the other was sure it was a bad move, AND that’s revealed to be unequivocally true on replay?
You’re just being flippant imo.
Anyways I choose my words carefully it’s your problem to think about them and understand their meaning.
Revenge is always going to be in racing.
You can close your eyes try to deny it try to make me out as evil or wrong for doing it and that’s fine with me.
You choose to avoid it in race that’s fine with me too.
What’s wrong is you judging me for exacting revenge against players who have wronged me first.
I DO get very very pissed off at these stupid desperate lunges when they are past a point of validity into a grey area!
I probably get PISSED OFF because many times I just spent laps behind these people taking care not to touch them.
I’m am out of popcorn also.
Maybe if stupid moves DONT piss you off then that’s because you don’t take much care to avoid hitting other players!
Whatever
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That is my one gripe about the FIA series in particular. Usually you will reach a point where you race the same general group of guys every race, so you build a false level of trust. You know the guys who will try to be brave and those who’ll be a bit more calculating. But that one guy will come in and just send it. Many times they do make it stick, but it’s not what you expect.
But you just kinda let it go. Overall it’s just about trust. Why GTS is tough at times. You get into a race with a bunch of nobodies so you spend half the race nervously on your tip toes because you’re not sure who’s going to do what. You seem to have the same approach I do. One of needing to be a bit more trusting of the competition than some drivers. Being able to know when we dive under someone to pass, we want to know for 100% certainty what they’ll do.
As for popcorn; don’t worry, I got plenty to share.
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You did literally say that you punt people when you're certain they deserve it.
What you're sure of during the race is often not what actually is shown on the replay, because you're in the thick of it during the race. I believe this point was raised several pages back as well.
But assuming the replay unequivocally shows that your revenge punt was justified then that's what it shows, obviously. I don't think it's very sportsmanlike to revenge punt though, justified or not.
I'll show you my SR graph if you show me yours.
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I think I've raced almost everyone here. You're all OK. So you're arguing with fellow choir members.
It's very common on the internet. When you're playing devil's advocate, be careful to know where you stand and stop. Or else people will assume the worst of you. And they won't be wrong.
It's very common on the internet. When you're playing devil's advocate, be careful to know where you stand and stop. Or else people will assume the worst of you. And they won't be wrong.
Groundfish
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Most of the FIA I have done on main have been fantastic fun.
There’s a particular level on NA dr wise though in fact several that you see the perpetually dirty guys who fight over. Every. Inch.every.single.time with any and all means available, dailies and FIA contact includd, which is dirty. Dailies are dailies but that doesn’t make it less wrong, imo.
People have taken my words here as something like I’m out there punting anyone who gets my inside or something which is crazy.
Considering the fact that I’ve pretty much done everything in my power to learn racing standards and try my best to race hard but be fair it really pisses me off when people spout nonsense.
@Granadier I’m sure I called a move of yours dirty before, in disagreement with you.
Sorry it wasn’t personal ie YOU are dirty. But yeah we’ve disagreed a few times, maybe. Doesn’t mean anything personal.
I’m stuffed guys, please no more popcorn.
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