Views on this move

[FPV MIC]

Perhaps you're being too nice @Groundfish?

If you lunge late, forcing your opponent to slow and avoid, if it’s a grey area move, and you make a habit of making moves that way people might get irritable, even if the move made was a valid one.

That's on them if they get irritable. They need to eat a bag of cement!

Ultimately when you overtake it’s better to do it in a way that’s least painful to all.

That's okay mid race if it doesn't compromise your own strategy but if I can hold someone up a bit early in a race when we're on opposing strategies without compromising myself too much I'd do it. Late in the race when all pitstops are done all bets are off!

If you do it in a way that costs a lot of time coming in late, sure maybe it’s fine and all in a technical sense but it doesn’t mean you’ll be loved for it.

If it's fine in a technical sense then it's fine... simple! Do you really think that other people will love you for this type of behaviour? Maybe in a lobby with friends, but in proper hard racing people are more inclined to think that type of driving is a bit soft (unless it's mid race), and it's far easier to take liberties against someone you know is likely to just wave you through so we don't all lose time.

Me personally, I like nothing more than getting in an out and out stoush with someone for a win (or even a battle for any position really) so I respect good, hard, clean racing. Late braking, chucking it up the inside now and then, rubbing panels, and the odd forced error is all part of it.

Example of good hard racing.

 

[Groundfish]

That's on them if they get irritable. They need to eat a bag of cement!

You can take that attitude. No ones stopping you.

That's okay mid race if it doesn't compromise your own strategy but if I can hold someone up a bit early in a race when we're on opposing strategies without compromising myself too much I'd do it. Late in the race when all pitstops are done all bets are off!

Lost times lost time, early in race, mid race to me you really have to be aware of traffic behind, forcing it in there with hard racing might gain one position but might bring others behind back into slipstream or closer in general after a pit.
Again it’s all your choice how to race.
It’s like surfing. If I were to paddle out to a nice point straight across from guys out and take priority or say paddle out sit next to them and try to paddle battle over the first set that comes in you might get respect or you might get in a fistfight.

If it's fine in a technical sense then it's fine... simple! Do you really think that other people will love you for this type of behaviour? Maybe in a lobby with friends, but in proper hard racing people are more inclined to think that type of driving is a bit soft (unless it's mid race), and it's far easier to take liberties against someone you know is likely to just wave you through so we don't all lose time.

Lol everyone whose raced me knows how I am. I ain’t waving guys through, I’m not being an idiot either.
I think everyone has a comfort zone and their own approach to racing’s grey area on corner entry.
For me, sure I’ll push it sometimes.
But for me, as an overall strategy in say FIA or more serious on lines, I will take it when I have it, as opposed to chucking it and hoping I get it.
Good points though like I say you reap what you sow.
If you are always in the gray zone telling people to pound cement it is what it is, a personal choice. Again how do you assess the field and what’s your comfort level. What goes around comes around.

 

[FPV MIC]

You can take that attitude. No ones stopping you.

These were your words ''even if the move made was a valid one.'' If someone gets irritable over a valid move why wouldn't anyone tell them to harden the **** up!

Lost times lost time, early in race, mid race to me you really have to be aware of traffic behind, forcing it in there with hard racing might gain one position but might bring others behind back into slipstream or closer in general after a pit.
Again it’s all your choice how to race.
It’s like surfing. If I were to paddle out to a nice point straight across from guys out and take priority or say paddle out sit next to them and try to paddle battle over the first set that comes in you might get respect or you might get in a fistfight.

I agree and that's why I said ''without compromising myself too much''. If you're up the front at the start of a race it's a lot easier to judge whether or not it will compromise you later. Mid pack is a bit iffy.

Lol everyone whose raced me knows how I am. I ain’t waving guys through, I’m not being an idiot either.
I think everyone has a comfort zone and their own approach to racing’s grey area on corner entry.
For me, sure I’ll push it sometimes.
But for me, as an overall strategy in say FIA or more serious on lines, I will take it when I have it, as opposed to chucking it and hoping I get it.
Good points though like I say you reap what you sow.
If you are always in the gray zone telling people to pound cement it is what it is, a personal choice. Again how do you assess the field and what’s your comfort level. What goes around comes around.

I didn't mean waving them through literally , I meant as in not making your opponent lose time. That's their issue not mine. I'll gain more time from clear air than politeness.

It seems I'm much more comfortable with the grey area than you, and that's okay for both of us, and neither of us are okay with the out and out dirty stuff.

 

[Groundfish]

These were your words ''even if the move made was a valid one.'' If someone gets irritable over a valid move why wouldn't anyone tell them to harden the **** up!

Just because it’s valid doesn’t mean you’re not being a jerk by doing it. (See surfing example)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.recordnet.com/article/20030501/A_NEWS/305019981?template=ampart

Remember this applies imo strongly to defense as well. If you are a grey area man and you’re behind me and I know you overtake this way it’s hard defense time son!
Bring it on!

It seems I'm much more comfortable with the grey area than you, and that's okay for both of us, and neither of us are okay with the out and out dirty stuff.

Right maybe you drive gutless handling cars that rely on that rather than far superior power cars like Fr.
ROFL .
(friendly jk)

 

[FPV MIC]

Just because it’s valid doesn’t mean you’re not being a jerk by doing it.

If it's valid then it's valid! How can driving in a valid/legal manner possibly be considered being a jerk? And for this you would go against everything you've previously said about not losing time?

Remember this applies imo strongly to defense as well. If you are a grey area man and you’re behind me and I know you overtake this way it’s hard defense time son!
Bring it on!

Now you're just contradicting yourself. Hard defence is being a jerk but if you're being a jerk (in you're own words) it's okay? It seems to me you might expect people to drive to your specific standards, which incidentally don't seem to line up with most peoples.

Right maybe you drive gutless handling cars that rely on that rather than far superior power cars like Fr.
ROFL

What the...? This has nothing to do with the comment you're replying to. The grey in racing applies to all racing no matter what cars you're in.

Edit: The surfing story is a long way off the mark. It would be relevant if someone told you that you can't race at their home track. When you first referred to surfing I understood you to mean ''dropping in'' which I know all about and understand it's possible relevance to our discussion.

 

[Groundfish]

Man you need to grab a cup of coffee and relax.
I was making a joke with the handling cars being gutless bit, but it’s true too, if you are good enough to drive those cars effectively you would be more comfortable with the grey area than I am. I MOSTLY don’t use them, but when I do I end up being far more aggressive in the grey area on entry, because they can and lacking power they can’t pull ahead on straights, usually.
None of its contradictory.
If you’re behind me in say an RSR and you have shown me you are a grey area man, then I become one also with hard defense. Lol you brought it on yourself!
There’s no contradiction there!
The more into the grey area you are the more you’re asking from me if I’m ahead.

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
The point is IF you are a grey area maximum comfort guy, comfortable with pushing it to the limit of good taste, wasting my time by forcing me to go into hard defense I probably won’t like that.
Most people don’t because it just wastes time to fight depending on situation.
We see this at world tour level right on down.
If everyone’s in the grey area fighting each other the leaders get away.
Few are able to hold back their urges very well. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
Especially in this game where many players hate hard defense so much...
Just saying chill out man it’s not a war of words, just conversation..

Edit


Edit ok let’s go fully off the deep end now.
Let’s say you’re in the RSR and I’m driving vette. Say you succeed in a somewhat dodgy lunge overtake with a bit of bump and we both lose time but you get ahead.
Later on I jump you in the pits and you come roaring up. Maybe you’re a little faster on some laps, a little slow on others...I’m steady turtle vette guy.
NOW, I already am not happy with you for forcing me off my line lunging late hurting my lap time earlier.
I go into Hard fair defense mode.
You can’t get by, but think I’m soooo slow. Over a few laps you can’t take it and desperately throw it inside on a hard brake zone.
I simply hold shut the door there’s contact and you spin.
Now are you mad I shut the door or what?
This is why grey area is dangerous. It’s always WW3 waiting to begin.


Edit again!

You said the surfing story isn’t the same because you haven’t understood it.

Technically I could have priority just fine by what I did there, but that’s no guarantee there won’t be blood.
That’s surfing ANY break where guys are out locals or not, it’s a total lack of respect.
In my view it’s no different than racing
Just because I can win a paddle battle for the first set that comes in technically getting priority by paddling back across a guy and get that wave doesn’t mean it’s going to be many waves for me going forward.

It’s the surf equivalent of LEGENDS comments

 

[FPV MIC]

Man you need to grab a cup of coffee and relax.

I think you're reading my words way out of context because I'm very, very relaxed .

I was making a joke with the handling cars being gutless bit, but it’s true too, if you are good enough to drive those cars effectively you would be more comfortable with the grey area than I am. I MOSTLY don’t use them, but when I do I end up being far more aggressive in the grey area on entry, because they can and lacking power they can’t pull ahead on straights, usually.
None of its contradictory.
If you’re behind me in say an RSR and you have shown me you are a grey area man, then I become one also with hard defense. Lol you brought it on yourself!
There’s no contradiction there!
The more into the grey area you are the more you’re asking from me if I’m ahead.

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
The point is IF you are a grey area maximum comfort guy, comfortable with pushing it to the limit of good taste, wasting my time by forcing me to go into hard defense I probably won’t like that.
Most people don’t because it just wastes time to fight depending on situation.
We see this at world tour level right on down.
If everyone’s in the grey area fighting each other the leaders get away.
Few are able to hold back their urges very well. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
Especially in this game where many players hate hard defense so much...
Just saying chill out man it’s not a war of words, just conversation..

If the grey area type move is valid, and I stress valid, you won't be able to go all hard defence . If you go hard defence on me because of a valid move I pulled earlier or in a different race, remembering you said hard defence is just as bad as grey area overtaking whether it's valid or not, then according to you that's being a jerk. Sooo.... you're going to be a jerk for something that others shouldn't be a jerk for. Remember, the pass was legal so you have no real right to take offence to it.

Edit because I forgot to mention: Remember I've already said it's more iffy if you're mid pack. This is where discretion does come into it more. I also noted you have to race ''without compromising myself too much''. How many times do I have to repeat this.

And I'm very chilled. I have no idea why you'd think otherwise.

Edit

Edit ok let’s go fully off the deep end now.
Let’s say you’re in the RSR and I’m driving vette. Say you succeed in a somewhat dodgy lunge overtake with a bit of bump and we both lose time but you get ahead.
Later on I jump you in the pits and you come roaring up. Maybe you’re a little faster on some laps, a little slow on others...I’m steady turtle vette guy.
NOW, I already am not happy with you for forcing me off my line lunging late hurting my lap time earlier.
I go into Hard fair defense mode.
You can’t get by, but think I’m soooo slow. Over a few laps you can’t take it and desperately throw it inside on a hard brake zone.
I simply hold shut the door there’s contact and you spin.
Now are you mad I shut the door or what?
This is why grey area is dangerous. It’s always WW3 waiting to begin.

You're placing a lot of that on a maybe . What if I'm faster on all of those laps? It's ''see you later buddy'' . I've also said that I don't mind good hard clean racing, whether that be in attack or defence.

 

[Groundfish]

If the grey area type move is valid, and I stress valid, you won't be able to go all hard defence . If you go hard defence on me because of a valid move I pulled earlier or in a different race, remembering you said hard defence is just as bad as grey area overtaking whether it's valid or not, then according to you that's being a jerk. Sooo.... you're going to be a jerk for something that others shouldn't be a jerk for. Remember, the pass was legal so you have no real right to take offence to it.

And I'm very chilled. I have no idea why you'd think otherwise.

No. Remember I was ahead, you pulled a grey area move on me causing me to go off line to avoid you, a move that had contact occurred it likely would be partial blame to both.
That’s being a jerk. So as in my example if I jump you in the pits that race or what have you get ahead of it’s hard defense coming your way which is being a jerk lmao but it never would have had to happen if you hadn’t been a jerk first lol therefore, I guess making it fine . Lololol I find this quite funny as you can see.
Basically if I’m ahead and you lunge too late you’re being a jerk, you are in this case the instigator jerk lmao.

The thing with defense it’s ok if it’s fair defense technically but at the same time in many cases if you simply start doing it without good cause just out of the fact maybe your a bit slow TECHNICALLY you’d be within your rights, but you are still being a jerk.
Imo

LMAO

Edit if you’re faster and ahead all the time that lacks any racing grey area moral implications imo lol

 

[FPV MIC]

No. Remember I was ahead, you pulled a grey area move on me causing me to go off line to avoid you,

A valid legal move!!!

a move that had contact occurred it likely would be partial blame to both.

And now you're moving the goalposts with contact and partial blame. This was not in our discussion so please stop changing the story.

That’s being a jerk.

Nope. Again, we were talking about a valid move.
Here look:

*snip*
If you lunge late, forcing your opponent to slow and avoid, if it’s a grey area move, and you make a habit of making moves that way people might get irritable, even if the move made was a valid one. Ultimately when you overtake it’s better to do it in a way that’s least painful to all. If you do it in a way that costs a lot of time coming in late, sure maybe it’s fine and all in a technical sense but it doesn’t mean you’ll be loved for it.

See!

So as in my example if I jump you in the pits that race or what have you get ahead of it’s hard defense coming your way which is being a jerk lmao but it never would have had to happen if you hadn’t been a jerk first lol therefore, I guess making it fine . Lololol I find this quite funny as you can see.
Basically if I’m ahead and you lunge too late you’re being a jerk, you are in this case the instigator jerk lmao.

The thing with defense it’s ok if it’s fair defense technically but at the same time in many cases if you simply start doing it without good cause just out of the fact maybe your a bit slow TECHNICALLY you’d be within your rights, but you are still being a jerk.
Imo

LMAO

If it's a valid (theoretical) move then none of your hard blocking is justified.

Edit if you’re faster and ahead all the time that lacks any racing grey area moral implications imo lol

If I got there by a hard ''valid'' pass (grey or not), which has been the whole crux of this conversation, it still should lack any moral implications.

 

[Groundfish]

If I got there by a hard pass (grey or not), which has been the whole crux of this conversation, it still should lack any moral implications.

Nope. You are consistent but neglecting the fact that YOU CHOSE to make the attempt at a hard pass, which placed ME at risk.
IF you are faster you will get ahead, but you CHOOSE to go tough guy in the grey area!
I have NOTHING to do with that choice, however I am subject to it’s implications!
Therefore IMO you’re being a jerk!
Lol this is quite funny!
Your point is logically consistent in black and white terms, but you are applying it to a grey area imo.
Lol you instigator jerk!
Lol
To me people who take this stance are very close to transitioning from merely being jerks and approaching a worse status!
Lmao
Basically you could be a bit more patient if you are faster anyways, maybe if all you can come up with is a late lunge placing both our races at risk it would be best to wait and do the move black and white.

Unleashing a barely valid hard pass is the beginning of WW3 as far as I’m concerned, I might miss a brake point or something when I’m stressed like that in a hard race.

 

[FPV MIC]

Nope. You are consistent but neglecting the fact that YOU CHOSE to make the attempt at a hard pass, which placed ME at risk.
IF you are faster you will get ahead, but you CHOOSE to go tough guy in the grey area!
I have NOTHING to do with that choice, however I am subject to it’s implications!
Therefore IMO you’re being a jerk!
Lol this is quite funny!
Your point is logically consistent in black and white terms, but you are applying it to a grey area imo.
Lol you instigator jerk!
Lol
To me people who take this stance are very close to transitioning from merely being jerks and approaching a worse status!
Lmao
Basically you could be a bit more patient if you are faster anyways, maybe if all you can come up with is a late lunge placing both our races at risk it would be best to wait and do the move black and white.

And this is why I said to begin with...

Perhaps you're being too nice @Groundfish

Why can't you understand that there's nothing wrong with a hard legal pass? That's racing! Motorsport is full of hard passes.

Don't add in words like ''attempt'' as this changes the meaning of what we've been talking about and suggests the pass may not have come off. We've been talking about a valid technically sound overtake. That is not being a jerk. That is being a racer!

Here... look again!

If you lunge late, forcing your opponent to slow and avoid, if it’s a grey area move, and you make a habit of making moves that way people might get irritable, even if the move made was a valid one. Ultimately when you overtake it’s better to do it in a way that’s least painful to all. If you do it in a way that costs a lot of time coming in late, sure maybe it’s fine and all in a technical sense but it doesn’t mean you’ll be loved for it.

 

[HaydenFan69]

 

[Groundfish]

Look
There’s cases where if contact occurs it’s clearly one or the others fault.
There’s also grey area cases where both share fault.
I’ve no problems with your overtake until it goes past a certain point in the grey area.
A lunge gets later and later and the line is blurred with fault THATS a grey area.
It’s YOUR CHOICE to initiate the overtake.
I hold YOU responsible if my race is negatively affected.
Every driver online I’ve ever raced with feels this way.
You cannot apply the black white valid invalid rule in all situations in grey areas.
If it’s valid it’s no doubt everyone knows that’s fine.
But, if you are tough guy in the grey area it’s live by the sword die by the sword.
It’s finer points of racing morality, lol.
Anyways you’re trying to convince but I’m trying to explain the reality.
It’s pretty funny tbh.

 

[FPV MIC]

Look
There’s cases where if contact occurs it’s clearly one or the others fault.
There’s also grey area cases where both share fault.
I’ve no problems with your overtake until it goes past a certain point in the grey area.
A lunge gets later and later and the line is blurred with fault THATS a grey area.
It’s YOUR CHOICE to initiate the overtake.
I hold YOU responsible if my race is negatively affected.
Every driver online I’ve ever raced with feels this way.
You cannot apply the black white valid invalid rule in all situations in grey areas.
If it’s valid it’s no doubt everyone knows that’s fine.
But, if you are tough guy in the grey area it’s live by the sword die by the sword.
It’s finer points of racing morality, lol.
Anyways you’re trying to convince but I’m trying to explain the reality.
It’s pretty funny tbh.View attachment 996307

Again! You're moving the goalposts!


Third time, but this time read you're own words

.
If you lunge late, forcing your opponent to slow and avoid, if it’s a grey area move, and you make a habit of making moves that way people might get irritable, even if the move made was a valid one. Ultimately when you overtake it’s better to do it in a way that’s least painful to all. If you do it in a way that costs a lot of time coming in late, sure maybe it’s fine and all in a technical sense but it doesn’t mean you’ll be loved for it.

No contact and no shared fault mentioned, only a valid pass that's fine in a technical sense, albeit a bit iffy (grey). Stop trying to change the story to suit your argument.

 

[Groundfish]

It’s just the way racing is. It has to be this way or it’s no longer racing.
It is what it is and it’s never been different.
It’s not a math equation.

 

[kilesa4568]

It’s just the way racing is. It has to be this way or it’s no longer racing.
It is what it is and it’s never been different.
It’s not a math equation.

Speechless.

Nothing more to add.

*Throws @FPV MIC a life ring. Quick! Grab it! Save yourself!

 

[FPV MIC]

Speechless.

Nothing more to add.

*Throws @FPV MIC a life ring. Quick! Grab it! Save yourself!

Thank you!

 

[Groundfish]

View attachment 996315

Thank you!

Or if you prefer...

 

[Philtaylor17]

@FPV MIC you've made your point perfectly, as have countless others.

Nothing being said by #cleanracerevengepuntTM makes sense any more, they are just trolling for the "fun" of it,100%, and even then not greatly, just full of contradictions and false equivalences.

There is no point giving any them any satisfaction anymore, they've had more than enough

 

[Groundfish]

If I know I've made a mistake and caused contact or badly impeded another driver, I'll redress as soon as it's safe to do it but if there's any doubt about who caused it, any doubt at all, I'll carry on and check the replay afterwards. At best, you're fully vindicated. At worst, you send a sincere apology and move on to the next race a little bit wiser

Pretty sure everyone does this, just know that IF you’re unsure it doesn’t mean that the victim of your dive isn’t sure you wronged him and may be absolutely correct on replay and is absolutely fine with stuffing you back to get ahead.
This is racing reality.
This is again why the grey area ‘moves’ are poor etiquette.
Especially so in online imo because there’s no fear of injury or cost of damaging cars or losing sponsors etc.
There’s a point at which the validity is in question and that is a gray area.
But, you guys enjoy sitting on the “gamer entitled” throne where no one should ever assert themselves against you no matter what.
This is fantasy, not reality, in online racing as well as real.

Perhaps you're being too nice @Groundfish?

Maybe in a lobby with friends, but in proper hard racing people are more inclined to think that type of driving is a bit soft (unless it's mid race), and it's far easier to take liberties against someone you know is likely to just wave you through so we don't all lose time.

Me personally, I like nothing more than getting in an out and out stoush with someone for a win (or even a battle for any position really) so I respect good, hard, clean racing. Late braking, chucking it up the inside now and then, rubbing panels, and the odd forced error is all part of it

It seems I'm much more comfortable with the grey area than you

Speaks for itself.
Remember I wasn’t the one who reopened the discussion by positing a claim about someone I’ve never gamed against.
Grey is grey, validity is what’s in question at that point.
Why do you insist on word games instead of accepting the reality that questionable moves piss people off?
Ridiculous

 

[kungtotte_]

Why do you get to punt people off on purpose but when someone tries a "grey area" move that may or may not result in contact it's a big issue?

 

[Groundfish]

Why do you get to punt people off on purpose but when someone tries a "grey area" move that may or may not result in contact it's a big issue?

You do understand it’s YOUR CHOICE to initiate a grey area move with the potential to badly impede my race right?
I certainly didn’t choose for you to be a jerk about your overtake did I?
If you are in agreement with @kilesa4568 as above if you are not sure if it was a good move or not you expect me to carry on, do nothing and wait for an apology when I’m already certain your move was wrong?
Cant you see what you’re saying?
You are saying you are entitled to be a jerk and there’s nothing I can do about it!
It’s the ultimate pinnacle of entitlement mentality, again this is why racing is what it is.
If I’m sure you wronged me in your misguided dive I’m going to end your race, or at least do the same to you!
That’s reality.
That’s why it HAS to be this way, or else I must yield to any grey area dove you make, if I did that it’s no longer racing.

Gts has WAY TOO MANY DESPERATE DIVES.

 

[kungtotte_]

You do understand it’s YOUR CHOICE to initiate a grey area move with the potential to badly impede my race right?
I certainly didn’t choose for you to be a jerk about your overtake did I?
If you are in agreement with @kilesa4568 as above if you are not sure if it was a good move or not you expect me to carry on, do nothing and wait for an apology when I’m already certain your move was wrong?
Cant you see what you’re saying?
You are saying you are entitled to be a jerk and there’s nothing I can do about it!
It’s the ultimate pinnacle of entitlement mentality, again this is why racing is what it is.
If I’m sure you wronged me in your misguided dive I’m going to end your race, or at least do the same to you!
That’s reality.
That’s why it HAS to be this way, or else I must yield to any grey area dove you make, if I did that it’s no longer racing.

Gts has WAY TOO MANY DESPERATE DIVES.

It's also your choice to deliberately punt someone, so why do you get to be a jerk and I don't?

Why are you above the rules?

 

[roamingbard13]

It's also your choice to deliberately punt someone, so why do you get to be a jerk and I don't?

Why are you above the rules?

I think he might argue that he would never miscalculate something on the track, so therefore, has the moral high ground to punt others when they do.

Or, he's happy accepting the consequences for his own transgressions on the track, and would never retaliate after he makes a bad move and someone punts him in response.

 

[AfraidRacer]

I think he might argue that he would never miscalculate something on the track, so therefore, has the moral high ground to punt others when they do.

Or, he's happy accepting the consequences for his own transgressions on the track, and would never retaliate after he makes a bad move and someone punts him in response.

 

[Groundfish]

It's also your choice to deliberately punt someone, so why do you get to be a jerk and I don't?

Why are you above the rules?

Remember, I was racing along cleanly and you attacked me.
Self defense.
Again if I’m too scared to defend myself it’s not racing.

I’m not even going to dignify the claim just made that I think I never make mistakes.

I do my best to leave margin for error to prevent WW3.
Some people here challenged that idea by saying they are perfectly comfortable with grey area attacks on me and if I don’t like it I should go pound sand.
That’s not racing.

This is why the person here who takes the best position on this is Legend.
People attacking by being jerks ruins online racing, but some here seem to think they ought to be able to attack however they want with no repercussions which is ridiculous.

 

[kungtotte_]

Remember, I was racing along cleanly and you attacked me.
Self defense.
Again if I’m too scared to defend myself it’s not racing.

I’m not even going to dignify the claim just made that I think I never make mistakes.

I do my best to leave margin for error to prevent WW3.
Some people here challenged that idea by saying they are perfectly comfortable with grey area attacks on me and if I don’t like it I should go pound sand.
That’s not racing.

This is why the person here who takes the best position on this is Legend.
People attacking by being jerks ruins online racing, but some here seem to think they ought to be able to attack however they want with no repercussions which is ridiculous.

I didn't attack anyone first of all.

You're on record in this forum saying you're happy to punt people who transgress against people who aren't you, so obviously you're not above punting even when you haven't been "attacked".

So I put the question to you again, why are you allowed to punt/be a jerk and I'm not?

 

[Philtaylor17]

8.2/10 - solid level split 3 trolling.

Could be a little more believable, but extra points for the dramatic use of WW3 and all caps rage moment.

Let's aim for a 9.

 

[Groundfish]

ou're on record in this forum saying you're happy to punt people who transgress against people who aren't you, so obviously you're not above punting even when you haven't been "attacked".

Yes because an attack (punting them off in this case, not just dodgy on the overtake, that’s between them OBVIOUSLY). on a TEAMMATE is an attack on me, too.
People making these desperate divebombs are a scourge.
Making a habit of overtaking by divebomb is an attack on all players in GTS.

 

[Philtaylor17]

7. Trying too hard.

Losing interest now. Maybe a final chance to rescue this, pressure is on.