VW Scirocco: Production Model Debut

[Poverty]

the current fox is sooooooo ugly. Actually not ugly just borrrrrring

 

[Dave A]

Very boring looking, it's a cheap car, but it's built down to the price with poor materials and such inside the car. Really, the only notably good thing about it is that it is cheap though being a VW it will probably be a reliable little runner as well and cheap to own but I'd rather pay a little bit more and haggel a deal on a better car.

 

[Keef]

You know what, I know the Scirocco was the original. But I think they should call it the Corrado. If anyone here is in high school I'd like you to go around to all the "car guys"--you know, the ones with 240 that they drift all badass-like, the ones with an air-sprung Civic on 18s with a green primer body--and ask if they know what a Scirroco is. You'll probaby get a big "Whaa??" I didn't know what it was until about 6 months ago (thank you R&T!). Then ask if they've heard of a Corrado. "OMG they like so freakin badass I want one they're so fast and AWD and a VR6 and cool and stuff yeah!"

That wasn't meant to make fun of the Corrado, it was meant to prove that every car person loves Corrados--turbo 4 or VR6, FWD or AWD--and wants one real bad. I'd love one, and I envy the guys who do have one. I like Sciroccos too; they're awesome cars and I'd love to have a classic V-Dub that nobody else around has, but I don't know a damn thing about them, I've never heard any giant-killing stories, never even seen one driving, or anywhere.

My point is that if V-Dub calls it the Corrado the customers will listen, understand, and man will they come. I can almost see a line of 25-35 year old car geeks lining up out the door to have some seat time, maybe even buy one since they have all that money from they're new job they got after college. I'd be in that line somewhere to have a look. Maybe row some gears in the showroom.

And about the design, this is one V-Dub where I would demand a few retro cues here and there--the kick-up to the sill of the rear side window and a wedge-like shape, for instance. Or they could just build the last Corrado as it was but give it a new interior. That'd be sweet, since those cars are stunning.

 

[exigeracer]

keef, companies don't understand these kinds of nameplate ordeals. Like the whole Rabbit naming, they claimed how the market is already familiar with the name. Think about it, the market who was around back then are now in their 30s or 40s, and chances are they remember the Golf nameplate from last year better than the Rabbit nameplate from 20 years ago... Stick with the more popular, better sounding Corrado name, I'd say it's a safer bet.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I'd have an easier time trying to pronounce Corrado than Scirocco or something. I don't like the car though.

 

[YSSMAN]

Given the reputation that both models have with hardcore VW fans, it will not make a lick of difference to them as to what name they end up using. You have to keep in mind that the two cars mean different things to two seperate generations.

The origional Scirocco established VW as a brand that could build an affordable high performance coupe that was easy to drive and maintain. The cars were pretty cheap, pretty quick (esp. the 16V models that came later), and offered a good option to the Porsche 924, Datsun 280Z, and Mazda RX-7 of the time. Current models, although ignored by some of the younger folks, the well educated people in VW history know that any Scirocco is a treat to find, and they will quickly be bought up.

The Corrado holds a similar place in the hearts of kids my age (19-24), but the car was a dissapointment to hardcore Scirocco fans. It was missing the quirky bits and pieces that made it's predecessor special, but that is not to say the Corrado was a bad car either. The car was still an amazing value with or without the ladder superchared 1.8 or the 2.7 VR6. The car truely was ahead of it's time on the inside and out, and like it's predecessor, is a great find if you can find one...

Either way, die hard VW fans are looking to have a return of the larger 2+2 sport coupe. I wouldn't matter if it had a 2.0 FSI or 3.6L VR6, as long as it looks good, goes like stink, and is cheap to buy and maintain... They will sell quite a few, Corrado or Scirroco.

 

[GT4_Rule]

So those are fairly reliable?

A 2.7L VR6 for my first car sounds awesome 👍

 

[Poverty]

3.6 vr6 sounds more likely.

 

[Onikaze]

I think he meant 2.7 VR6 in the older car.

I like Scirocco myself, but I never had any love for VW in the first place, so Corrado holds no warm place in my heart.

 

[YSSMAN]

So those are fairly reliable?

A 2.7L VR6 for my first car sounds awesome 👍

Ohh yeah, the old Scirocco and Corrado are pretty relyable if they were taken care of properly. The Sciroccos hold up pretty well overall, but they have many of the same problems that plague their MKI sisters.

The Corrado on the other hand is still new enough where a good number of the models won't be too far over 100,000 miles, and generally speaking, they were bought by enthusiests, and thus they were taken care of properly. I personally would stay away from the G60 (Ladder-Charged 1.8 8V) and head straight for an SLC with the 2.7L VR6, as the VR6 is not only more powerful, but does without the mechanical problems, and the dreaded lag that the silly supercharger setup creates.

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Poverty: I would assume so. It would almost seem illogical for them not to debut the 3.6L VR6 in the Scirroco, but I still think it all greately depends on VW getting their DSG steup beefed up enough where it can not only handle that power in FWD, but also getting it to fit as well.

I would predict that the model levels would look as this:
- Base w/ 1.6L TSI
- "G20" w/ 2.0L FSI
- "SLC" w/ 3.6L FSI VR6

 

[Specialized]

Just a little note, that the old VR6 engine came in two versions. The 2.8L VR6 which came in the mk3 golf VR6 and the 2.9L which came in the Corrado VR6 i dont beleive a 2.7 VR6 was ever made. If memory serves me right these engines produced 172 and 185 bhp respectively.

As you rightly say though the G60 engine (1.8 Supercharged engine) was found in the Corrado and also Mk2 Golf. A similare but smaller engine was also put into the polo creating the G40.

Spec...

 

[exigeracer]

G60s also found their ways into m3 Passats

 

[YSSMAN]

...I thought the Corrado used the same 2.7L VR6 that was under the hood of the GTI VR6, Jetta GLX, and Passat VR6...

 

[GT4_Rule]

I've always remembered the VR6 displacement as 2.7, 3.2 and soon to be 3.6.

 

[Specialized]

...I thought the Corrado used the same 2.7L VR6 that was under the hood of the GTI VR6, Jetta GLX, and Passat VR6...

Im going to have to ask you to pardon my ignorance. I forgot to take into account the fact you live the other side of the pond as differnet engines were used . Myself living in england was correct in saying what i did above, although in america the corrado was fitted with the "smaller" 2.8L engine. However there was no 2.7L vr6 made though unless the 2.8 was badged differently in the us?

Spec....

 

[YSSMAN]

Lets Check the Wiki...

They are listing the North American VR6's at 2.8 in the Corrado and in the Passat. I seem to recall those figures also being listed as 2.7L by several automotive magazines, so I'm wondering if it is one of those displacement numbers where someone wants to say that it is bigger than the other. Kinda like Mercedes-Benz/AMG's new "6.3L" V8 that is actually a 6.2L.

 

[Specialized]

Apparently the 2.8 vr6's displacement is listed as 2793cc. I was at a friends house the other day too and he has an ETKA program which lists and shows all parts for all audi and VW cars up to 2004 and this program also didnt list a 2.7 vr6. Maybe the engine was ment to be a 2.7 and thus car mags reported it but VW changed the size to 2.8 near the end of development or something.

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm not sure then! I know there was a time where I thought that all the VR6s were 3.2L units, but I was reading through the MKV Passat brochure and I swear it said 2.7L...

Oh well, were trying to find a needle in a haystack. It really doesn't matter anyway, the VR6 is still undoubtedly one of the greatest powerplants ever developed.

 

[YSSMAN]

Corrado confirmed!

Volkswagen confirmed today that it will build a successor to the Scirocco sport coupe at its plant in Setubal, Portugal. A company spokesman said VW had made the decision early this year but had announced in the past only that it would bring a new model to Portugal without saying which one. The announcement provides little detail, but it does seem to confirm the car will be called Scirocco, rather than Corrado or anything else. Last week, rumors of the Scirocco's imminent approval broke, along with much debate and design speculation. (Pictured right is one artist's rendering of how the 2009 model could look).

...NIIIIIICE!

 

[Wolfe]

I feel I must say...(Clicky)

Corrado confirmed!

...NIIIIIICE!

*psst*, YSSMAN, slight mixup ^

 

[GT4_Rule]

Good news!

 

[95GTIVR6]

All stateside Corrado VR's were 2.8l's, sharing the engine with the MKIII GTI VR. I have a '95 VR and while it doesnt say '2.8' on the engine cover as with newer models, it does say 'VR6-DOHC'....

2.9l's were available in Corrados elsewhere.

I guess it will be safe to assume this will also sport a Front engine/front drive layout as did the older models.

If this is to be called the Scirocco, after its production run, will VW create its replacement under the Corrado nameplate?

Also, will Audi create a sub-TT vehicle using a similar design and layout to this new vehicle.

This news brings up so many questions.

Oh yeah, greetings from Dublin.

 

[YSSMAN]

The Scirocco opens up a whole new category of Vee-Dubs that they have not seen for some time. Were still waiting on the Passat "Coupe" to replace the Phaeton (canceled for US sale post 2006) in the US, so I'm going to keep watching Vee-Dub carefully.

 

[rualeb]

im going to spain and portugal in a week maybe i will be able to see one, probably not but who knows.
since ill prolly have to see one being tested or something i doubt it.

 

[GT4_Rule]

How is Passat Coupe going to replace a Phaeton, a full-size Luxury sedan?

 

[Wolfe]

How is Passat Coupe going to replace a Phaeton, a full-size Luxury sedan?

Well, first of all, if you aren't aware of it yet, the Passat "Coupe" is going to be just as much of a "Coupe" as the Mercedes CLS -- in other words, it'll be a sedan with a stylish curved roof.

Second, VW has sobered up and realized that going upmarket was a really dumb idea, and that they should follow their namesake by becoming the people's car instead. A smaller, less-expensive, not-so-luxurious, yet still-pretty-fancy model is a perfect replacement.

 

[95GTIVR6]

Well, first of all, if you aren't aware of it yet, the Passat "Coupe" is going to be just as much of a "Coupe" as the Mercedes CLS -- in other words, it'll be a sedan with a stylish curved roof.

Second, VW has sobered up and realized that going upmarket was a really dumb idea, and that they should follow their namesake by becoming the people's car instead. A smaller, less-expensive, not-so-luxurious, yet still-pretty-fancy model is a perfect replacement.

Exactly, I was reading in R&T about their Phaeton they kept for a year and they all had good things to say about it, except for the price and a few other minor things. If you are already going to spend $65000 on the Phaeton, why not shell out the extra cast for the Audi (which is what most people did).

However, they did mention that in many cases, people who are selling these cars are only listing them for $30000 which is a steal considering how nice of a vehicle it was/is. If I was looking for a nice, large saloon I would deffinately consider it....then again I dont have that amount of money either.

So when this new Scirocco is made, where do you think the pricing will be? What will be its main competiton? It may be too early to ask these questions but its always good to throw them out there.

 

[Wolfe]

Exactly, I was reading in R&T about their Phaeton they kept for a year and they all had good things to say about it, except for the price and a few other minor things. If you are already going to spend $65000 on the Phaeton, why not shell out the extra cast for the Audi (which is what most people did).

However, they did mention that in many cases, people who are selling these cars are only listing them for $30000 which is a steal considering how nice of a vehicle it was/is. If I was looking for a nice, large saloon I would deffinately consider it....then again I dont have that amount of money either.

So when this new Scirocco is made, where do you think the pricing will be? What will be its main competiton? It may be too early to ask these questions but its always good to throw them out there.

Well, it'll be sorta like a larger, more sports-oriented GTI, so I'd expect a base price somewhere in the mid-$20k's, maybe $24k.

As for competition, it depends on how powerful they are going to make it, but I'd expect it to be in the same class as mid-size Alfa Romeos and other sporty FWD/FWD-based-AWD things like the Mazdaspeed6 or Eclipse GT.

 

[YSSMAN]

Prices?

Well, it is largely going to depend on how VW places the R32 when that comes to the US in 2007. To give a rough gustimate, I would peg the R32 right around $30K give or take a few bucks, and presuming of course that the Scirocco would be the top car behind only the Passat "Coupe," prices on the Scirocco should start around $30K with a 2.0T and DSG, and probably move closer to $35K with a VR6 and DSG.

...But of course, that is all speculative...

 

[GT4_Rule]

It better not be as heavy as a Golf, that "small hatch" is seriously overweight. Heavier than a Civic sedan? No excuses accepted; go get a fat trimming surgery.