Wallbanger's "Tons of Fun"(Final Round Underway)

[XDesperado67]

Thanks DigitalBaka.👍👍

My internet connection was down most of the day so couldn't get any testing done, sorry folks. Hopefully it will be okay in the morning when I get off work.

@Johnnypenso thanks for the great review of "Isabella". Looks like I really need to adjust my LSD after the first round ends since your the second to mention the accel seems a little high.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Thanks DigitalBaka.👍👍

My internet connection was down most of the day so couldn't get any testing done, sorry folks. Hopefully it will be okay in the morning when I get off work.

@Johnnypenso thanks for the great review of "Isabella". Looks like I really need to adjust my LSD after the first round ends since your the second to mention the accept seems a little high.

I liked the car in stock trim and you got it to handle the same but with twice the ponies so I really enjoyed it..👍 Now if only Kaz would give it an American V8 roar instead of sounding like an electric chainsaw it would be awesome.

Truth be told, I've never been able to figure out why people use LSD settings higher than about 20. Once you get the outside wheel to stop spinning under hard accel, I haven't been able to figure out a reason to go higher. I've see guys with Accel settings in the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's since I joined GTPlanet and I always figured I must be missing out on something or maybe it works with the DS3 or offline or something. If everyone else is doing it, I must be missing the boat right?

Anytime I tried it myself, all I did was lose the back end exiting tight corners. It could have something to do with the DFGT, as even with the bungee cord mod, it doesn't seem to allow for a lot of fine throttle control. It's one of the reasons I couldn't use most of the tunes I found here on GTPlanet and decided to try and figure it out on my own. I can control a car with a high Accel LSD if I have no choice but it's something I'd rather not have to think about in the midst of a heated battle so I tend to go just high enough to stop that outside wheel spinning and no more, and that's usually 12-20 for me and my reviews will tend to reflect that personal preference of mine.

 

[Ealirendur]

Truth be told, I've never been able to figure out why people use LSD settings higher than about 20. Once you get the outside wheel to stop spinning under hard accel, I haven't been able to figure out a reason to go higher. I've see guys with Accel settings in the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's since I joined GTPlanet and I always figured I must be missing out on something or maybe it works with the DS3 or offline or something. If everyone else is doing it, I must be missing the boat right?

I think (IMVHO, not a tuner) it's a DS3 offline thing, or very situational, and I can't imagine it working too well online or indeed with tire wear and Sport Tires. I think higher Init makes it more bearable.

The DS3 has one fairly major disadvantage - high speed turning, even at sensitivity 7. Examples: In the WRS, in the N24 Schulze GT-R at Spa on R1s, wheel users could take Ea Rouge flat - utterly impossible on the DS3, no matter the tune. On High Speed Ring Reverse, in the FGT on R3s, wheel users, turn 1, flat. Those were both tricky to execute, but definitely no dice for the DS3, even with settings that were near uncontrollable for the remainder of a lap - it's related to the slip angle "assist". That was for offline hotlapping, though, obviously.

I was using a tune with 50 Accel offline in a Takata Dome '06 at Tokyo (for the high speed sweepers). Online, that will get you very dead.

I don't know whether this is even occasionally the case for wheel users, but given certain circumstances - say, last (high speed) curve at Tsukuba - you might gain enough for it to be worthwhile to accept the difficulty elsewhere. Because throttle control on the DS3 is so easy

And I keep forgetting which one seemingly gives you more engine braking.

 

[wildheart90]

Wildheart90 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 09’

I was expecting good things from this 4WD supercar especially after testing an earlier Lambo. I found myself a little on the fence about it overall when I was done. On the downside it felt a little soft and sluggish on both entry and exit, and overall grip seemed to be a little off although on the upside it was both balanced and predictable. I found myself a few times running wide on exit and entry, ended up braking earlier than I thought I should have to be sure and hit the apexes. Braking was good and I was able to brake into the corners fairly well, but you had to trail brake to get it turn in sharp enough. Tire wear was also very good. London was much the same, you had to brake slightly earlier but if you could manage it, you could brake into the corner to compensate. Had to get on the throttle slightly late to ensure staying off the walls on exit. This tune would be well suited to an endurance race with a little more relaxed pace and the tires would probably outlast everyone else, and although it didn’t light my fire it didn’t throw water on it either. 8.0/10

London - 52.571
Monza -1:38.336

Thanks for the feedback, I think I should have meantioned in my tune writeup that this was a "brake early, accelerate early" kind of car.


However this makes me even more confused on what qualities these cars are judged on

 

[Johnnypenso]

Thanks for the feedback, I think I should have meantioned in my tune writeup that this was a "brake early, accelerate early" kind of car.


However this makes me even more confused on what qualities these cars are judged on

I'm just as confused as you believe me...lol. Praiano and I drove all the same cars but you'd never know it from our driver preferences even though our laptimes are very similar.

I think a lot of it boils down to driver preference. I prefer very neutral handling, and LSD settings just high enough to prevent ouside wheelspin and not more. I've got 150 cars in my garage tuned just like that. Judging by some of the driver comments, some guys like really sharp turn in and very active LSD settings but it doesn't work for me, I find it too unsettling and unpredictable. Maybe I can shave a tenth or two on a perfect hotlap with that kind of tune, but I want to run 5 laps within 2/10ths, not one hotlap 1/10th faster and the rest a half or full second slower. May not be your preference or another test driver's preference, but it's how I roll and so my reviews are in light of that, just as the driver who likes sharp turn in will conduct his test favouring that type of tune. I've concluded you can't make everyone happy with a tune, just shoot for the majority and hope no one else does better...lol.

I expect I'll get much the same feedback here I got in the Fall Shootout. "Car is fast, stable and boring...zzzzzzzz". If I ever opened a garage it would probably be called "Fast and Boring Garage" But that's cool for me, that's exactly how I tune because that's what works for me in racing online. I find fast exciting. Shaving a tenth here or there is fun for me, kicking out the back end at 250 km/h is not, unless I can control it and usually I can't.

Look at it as a learning experience and hopefully we make it to the next round, we can make some adjustments to our cars to reflect our reviews and make it a little better...although mine will probably still be boring...

 

[Onboy123]

Thanks DigitalBaka.👍👍

My internet connection was down most of the day so couldn't get any testing done, sorry folks. Hopefully it will be okay in the morning when I get off work.

@Johnnypenso thanks for the great review of "Isabella". Looks like I really need to adjust my LSD after the first round ends since your the second to mention the accel seems a little high.

Lucky guy, you get the feedback as to what to do in the next step, I just get told the obvious that my car was too slow and was very easy to drive……

 

[DaDog]

Lucky guy, you get the feedback as to what to do in the next step, I just get told the obvious that my car was too slow and was very easy to drive……

step one : follow Jeremy Clarkson's number one rule .... more HP
step two : lose weight , remove all extra bodyparts and replace everything by carbon
step three : buy NOS
step four : buy some extra NOS


seriously i'd love to give you a magic answer but i am so clueless about tuning i might make it ten times worse






on a side not it does seem my laptimes aren't as bad as i was expecting at first

 

[wildheart90]

I'm just as confused as you believe me...lol.

......

Look at it as a learning experience and hopefully we make it to the next round, we can make some adjustments to our cars to reflect our reviews and make it a little better...although mine will probably still be boring...

I don't think I will get through, but if I do I am going to find it very hard to change as the two 5th place reviews I have got are completely opposite to each other

 

[DaDog]

I don't think I will get through, but if I do I am going to find it very hard to change as the two 5th place reviews I have got are completely opposite to each other

youre lambo is actually pretty high up my list , only problem is i can't complete my testing untill nummer 6 accepts a FR . seeing his list is full and no responds to pm this is difficult .
We will see the deadline of testing is still far enough away

 

[nomis3613]

Sorry to anyone who hasn't been able to get my Merc on sharing. After taking it offline to do the photomode stuff, I forgot to put it back. Fixed now.

Also, sorry to CSLACR for hogging his car for a few days cos I forgot to switch out of it. Double fail!!

 

[Motor City Hami]

I'm just as confused as you believe me...lol. Praiano and I drove all the same cars but you'd never know it from our driver preferences even though our laptimes are very similar.

I think a lot of it boils down to driver preference.

Thanks for the review. What was that comment posted earlier, "it's not my tune, you didn't drive it correctly." I love that.

I think you have nailed it. Tunes are built for the tuner and to differences in driving style and controller used or settings has a lot to do with the tune's feel for that user. I appreciate your feedback on my tune as I am in the process of transitioning from the DS3 to the Logitech G27. The G27 wasn't much fun clamped to a TV tray so I'm building a race seat.

I have noticed that I have to make really agressive tunes to get cars to turn using the DS3. With the G27, I'm finding that my tunes are too agressive on exit. Your feedback is indicating a similar feel. Thanks again for the feedback. It is helping me to formulate how I will change some of my tunes for the wheel. In my garage I will be posting tunes for both the wheel and the DS3 so that the end users will know which more closely matches them.

 

[nomis3613]

Reading my comments and Johnnypenso's it's hard to believe we're driving the same car! Maybe it's controller vs wheel, but anyway I'll have another go in the Murcie and check that the brake bias' are correct. To me, it felt like there was a lot of rear brake going on.

 

[wildheart90]

Reading my comments and Johnnypenso's it's hard to believe we're driving the same car! Maybe it's controller vs wheel, but anyway I'll have another go in the Murcie and check that the brake bias' are correct. To me, it felt like there was a lot of rear brake going on.

No need mate. But if you do don't edit your scores though.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Cykosis1973 - Jaguar XKR Coupe 10’

What an exceptional car and tune!! This was the most enjoyable ride of all the cars I’ve tested so far, in both groups. An extremely well balanced ride everywhere on both tracks. Perfect on the first corner at Monza and planted like glue in the first chicane. Exiting Parabolica at full throttle as the tires wore on, the back end started to step out, but ever so slowly and predictably so that all you had to do was ease off the throttle 25% or so and power right on through. At London again the handling was superb, handled the esses with ease, turn in and exit was sharp but not overdone and imbalanced. Ran many laps over and over within a few tenths. Gearing was also good as I could use first gear and roll on the throttle at London to shave off a few tenths, whereas in a lot of other cars either wheelspin was too high to control or 1st was too short to be practical. The only downside I can see to this tune is slightly higher than average tire wear, but even as the tires wore, grip remained good and the car balanced. Well done! 9.75/10

London - 54.461
Monza - 1:41.848

And this is why I keep coming back to these Events. Reviews like these are few and far between for me, so I cherish them when they come around. I'm very glad you enjoyed the car as much as you did. I was never expecting to keep up with the serious sports cars, those days are over for Jaguar, but I did want to make something that was comfortable and could be driven hard. I worked on the gearbox for quite a while, trying to keep the car in the right gear approaching each corner. At London you really only need the first 3 gears, with one shift into 4th on the start/finish. Likewise at Monza, gear changes should coincide nicely with corners, in so much that you should be brushing the 7500rpm shift point as you hit the braking zone. It was difficult to manage with an auto box, manual shifters should be able to hold the gear and get the best out of the car. I found that unexpected and unnecessary gear changes cost up to a 1 sec a lap at London.

The slightly higher tyre wear and ability to use 1st gear are related, I spent a fair bit of time on the rear wheel alignment. I'm sure I could have done a better job with the springs, dampers and roll bars, but with the camber and toe as they are, you can maintain a high degree of control over the rear. All this is providing you're not too fierce with your inputs, give it too much lock you'll find yourself in a tank slapper faster than you might like.

For the record, your time at Monza is impressive. I ran a 1:41.4xx with a previous iteration of this car, but was constantly 0.5 or more of a sec adrift from it. I really wish I'd noted the interim settings. I have the starting and finishing point for the car, but not the juicy middle.

Thanks for your time and efforts, they're most highly appreciated...

{Cy}

 

[Onboy123]

And this is why I keep coming back to these Events. Reviews like these are few and far between for me, so I cherish them when they come around. I'm very glad you enjoyed the car as much as you did. I was never expecting to keep up with the serious sports cars, those days are over for Jaguar, but I did want to make something that was comfortable and could be driven hard. I worked on the gearbox for quite a while, trying to keep the car in the right gear approaching each corner. At London you really only need the first 3 gears, with one shift into 4th on the start/finish. Likewise at Monza, gear changes should coincide nicely with corners, in so much that you should be brushing the 7500rpm shift point as you hit the braking zone. It was difficult to manage with an auto box, manual shifters should be able to hold the gear and get the best out of the car. I found that unexpected and unnecessary gear changes cost up to a 1 sec a lap at London.

The slightly higher tyre wear and ability to use 1st gear are related, I spent a fair bit of time on the rear wheel alignment. I'm sure I could have done a better job with the springs, dampers and roll bars, but with the camber and toe as they are, you can maintain a high degree of control over the rear. All this is providing you're not too fierce with your inputs, give it too much lock you'll find yourself in a tank slapper faster than you might like.

For the record, your time at Monza is impressive. I ran a 1:41.4xx with a previous iteration of this car, but was constantly 0.5 or more of a sec adrift from it. I really wish I'd noted the interim settings. I have the starting and finishing point for the car, but not the juicy middle.

Thanks for your time and efforts, they're most highly appreciated...

{Cy}

Now you see why I wanted him to test Group D? I've yet to have one quite like that, in fact, I've yet to write one like that myself!

 

[krenkme]

Greetings from Disney World. I saw a whole bunch of Brazilians today on a group trip. I also took this picture yesterday from my balcony:

I have not had much time on the computer obviously, but tonight the kids are finally asleep and the wives are out shopping, so I did fix a bunch of formulas, including the driver's choice scoring. Hopefully it will all look better now.

I added the new test drivers from the first page. If anyone wants to jump in, there is one opening on the score sheet for Group B. If anyone wants to test any other group, I will need to adjust the formulas a bit, which might not happen until Sunday if I can't get back on my friend's computer.

I'd like to stay out of the Veyron discussion. I don't like them much more than anyone else, but I tried to make mine as good of an experience to drive as you can get from that beast.

Cool view, when I'm home all I see out the window are cows

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have noticed that I have to make really agressive tunes to get cars to turn using the DS3. With the G27, I'm finding that my tunes are too agressive on exit. Your feedback is indicating a similar feel. Thanks again for the feedback. It is helping me to formulate how I will change some of my tunes for the wheel. In my garage I will be posting tunes for both the wheel and the DS3 so that the end users will know which more closely matches them.

I think that's a big part of it. A friend of mine and I were tuning in a Lounge together working on the same 450pp cars and we're about the same speed. He's on DS3 I'm on the DFGT. I would give him my settings and he'd try them and say, "I can't turn", but his lap times were very close to mine. He'd give me his settings and I'd try them and I'd say, "How can you drive this thing it won't stop turning?". And yet with him using his own settings and me using mine, we could race around nose to tail and in a replay we'd look pretty much the same.

And this is why I keep coming back to these Events. Reviews like these are few and far between for me, so I cherish them when they come around. I'm very glad you enjoyed the car as much as you did.

For the record, your time at Monza is impressive. I ran a 1:41.4xx with a previous iteration of this car, but was constantly 0.5 or more of a sec adrift from it. I really wish I'd noted the interim settings. I have the starting and finishing point for the car, but not the juicy middle.

Thanks for your time and efforts, they're most highly appreciated...

{Cy}

Balance inspires confidence in me, and allows me to focus on hitting apexes, getting on the throttle early, late braking etc. Instead of taking 5-10 laps to figure out the car, from the get go I can run hot laps. If I could tune like this, all of my cars would feel like this if it was in them to do so. Job well done!

Now you see why I wanted him to test Group D? I've yet to have one quite like that, in fact, I've yet to write one like that myself!

Thanks Onboy, but unfortunately you got stuck in my group and I'm really hesitant to drive and review my own car. I'm not sure I can be unbiased......so I'm avoiding it

 

[Onboy123]

Thanks Onboy, but unfortunately you got stuck in my group and I'm really hesitant to drive and review my own car. I'm not sure I can be unbiased......so I'm avoiding it

Well, no one can help it if your 900hp R8 is just made of pure awesomeness.

 

[DigitalBaka]

Well, no one can help it if your 900hp R8 is just made of pure awesomeness.

Pretty sure Audi means "totally awesome car" in some dialect of German.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Grrrr, beaten into 3rd place by DigiB's Ferrari and being chased down by Shmo's VW Beetle. Still, that's 3rd overall in the Photomode Contest, maybe I should stick with taking photos of cars instead of building them...

{Cy}

 

[DaDog]

Results of my testing for :

Group A
1) XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08 "Isabella"
2) wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09
3) CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10
4) oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 Car Shared by Shmogt
5) Rallywagon C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00
6) CSLACR Dodge Viper ACR


Laptimes London

1) wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09 0.52.648
2) CSLACR Dodge Viper ACR 0.54.118
3) CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 0.54.619
4) XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08 "Isabella" 0.54.709
5) oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 0.55.985
6) Rallywagon C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00 0.56.776

Laptimes Monza

1) CSLACR Dodge Viper ACR 1.36.036
2) wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09 1.38.433
3) XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08 "Isabella" 1.41.692
4) CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 1.41.949
5) oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 1.44.911
6) Rallywagon C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00 1.48.873








Driver choise results :

XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08 "Isabella"
Big Bertha , no that isn't right for me to say that . This is a very stable and fun car , very smooth ride . no problem what so ever to keep a driving line .
Very surprising seeing i wasn't expecting this from a muscle car , yet it didn't feel like a muscle car it was an american grand tourer . very well tuned , and on powerslide on the drivers command is no problem for this little queen .

wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09 A very fast car , one that you can use to get hotlap after hotlap and never gets boring . A little to much of a supercar for a grand tourer . wel balanced , didn't have any problems controlling this car . Very addictive seeing you wanna go faster and faster every lap

CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10
It is a shame you put the spoiler on it seeing design wise this is the grand tourer of the group and was my personal favourite of the group before testing . while After testing nothing much has changed it is still a car exept it got beaten by big bertha , i found that this car was a pleasure to drive and felt like it was build on request .

oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 I'll start with the positive , very good braking and turning in , the car felt very sharp , but was very unpredictable on the exit . with a more calm LCD setting this car would be a lot faster . i tried numerous of laps to adjust my trotthle controle but i could not manage .

C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00I would consider this somewhat more of a sort of sleepercar then a grand tourer . A family wagon with a punch . even tho it is it is the slowest of the group it is fast seeing this car only has 510pp . But with this car i never had to correct nor did i get into trouble at any time . but it wasn't exiting either .
All in all a very good tune sadly a bad car choise in my opinion seeing i do thing you would have been more succesfull with another car

CSLACR Dodge Viper ACR
This car has an amazing 1020 bhp , and is fast , for me to fast on london tho i could not do a competitive lap as it was borderline uncontrolable for me . On monza however it felt right at home , But this car for me has a problem simular as with the lambo , i can't feel any grand tourer in this car , it is between super and hyper car . If the settings for this compitition would be different i would allready say top 3 finish but for now i just can't

Scoresheet :


1) XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08 "Isabella" 8/10

2) wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09 7.5/10

3) CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 8.5/10

4) oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 Car Shared by Shmogt 6/10

5) Rallywagon C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00 6.5/10

6) CSLACR Dodge Viper ACR 7/10

 

[wildheart90]

Results of my testing for :

wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09 A very fast car , one that you can use to get hotlap after hotlap and never gets boring . A little to much of a supercar for a grand tourer . wel balanced , didn't have any problems controlling this car . Very addictive seeing you wanna go faster and faster every lap

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you enjoyed yourself


On another note, I took a look at the scoresheet and I believe that Johnnypenso's group A times and votes are not factoring in to the final averages, I guess some formulas need changing?

 

[XDesperado67]

@DaDog glad you liked "Isabella" so much.👍👍

@wildheart90 the issues with the scoresheets are being looked into currently. Never fear I'll insure results are correct for determining the cars that advance to the final round.

 

[CSLACR]

Anyone that needs me added yet?

 

[CyKosis1973]

CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10
It is a shame you put the spoiler on it seeing design wise this is the grand tourer of the group and was my personal favourite of the group before testing . while After testing nothing much has changed it is still a car exept it got beaten by big bertha , i found that this car was a pleasure to drive and felt like it was build on request.

The first iteration of this car was completely stock and painted in a delicate French Blue ... then I realised that there was already a car out there just like it. The car ended being a messy hybrid somewhere between the GT3 race car and the XKR-S. You'll note the spoiler is barely visible in my photo entry

Cracking time at Monza, bravo Sir. Thank you for your time and efforts...

{Cy}

 

[sheephead99]

Don't suppose I cant change my entry lol joking. I've had a go of isabella and its awesome

 

[XDesperado67]

Don't suppose I cant change my entry lol joking. I've had a go of isabella and its awesome

Glad you like her.👍👍

To be honest if the choice had been left up to me the SRT8 wouldn't have been my pick, but she really grew on me as I was tuning her so thank my mum for giving us this beauty.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Anyone that needs me added yet?

Think you might be short an add from "racer39658", they're testing Group A and haven't got a time listed for you yet, Sir...

{Cy}

 

[nomis3613]

DaDog, great comments on Group A. I was just comparing our lap times, Monza we have the same order, but London is different:

1) wildheart90 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09 0.52.648
2) CSLACR Dodge Viper ACR 0.54.118
3) CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 0.54.619
4) XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger SRT8 '08 "Isabella" 0.54.709
5) oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 0.55.985
6) Rallywagon C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00 0.56.776

52.2 wildheart90 Murcielago (1st)
52.6 CSLACR Viper ACR (2nd)
54.4 XDesperado67 Dodge Challenger (3rd)
55.8 CyKosis1973 Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 (4th)
56.7 Rallywagon C-Fresh Tuned Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00 (5th)
57.1 oopssorryy Lexus GS300 '00 (6th)

Seems you got the Jaaaaag to hussle around London 1.2s quicker than me , putting it ahead of Isabella. And a similar story with the Lexus, where you had it faster than the Legacy. Hmmmm... strange... I was expecting the times to differ between testers but thought the order would be the same. Any thoughts?

 

[racer39658]

Think you might be short an add from "racer39658", they're testing Group A and haven't got a time listed for you yet, Sir...

{Cy}

That would be correct. I just sent the request, looks like no more full friends list.