WEC S2, R9, Nurburgring GP/F Finale!

[Osr20_L]

1) I like the racing to be as realistic as possible, therefore, slower cars in qualifying is, as in real life a factor and it should be here also. With the longer races and full damage, qualifying becomes significantly less import anyway. If you get held up in qually and qualify 4th instead of 2nd (for example), that difference is insignificant over a 3 hour race.

2) a formal spec check is absolutely paramount in my opinion. I realize that you are convinced of your ability to gauge any advantage but I am very much not convinced, nor are several others. I just can't understand why you are so opposed to such a common procedure when so many other series rely on it. The bottom line here is that I too trust everyone here, but then in the very back of my mind I am always wondering if there isn't someone stretching the rules, even by a fraction, so small that you may not notice it, yet enough to make a difference. People are people and as such, we are not all perfect creatures. Whenever I see someone leave the track moments before the race starts, make tuning adjustments and re-enter after the countdown clock starts, I can't help but be suspicious. Please, for the sake of simple "peace of mind", don't be so lazy and just do it ! In the long run, it would be less time consuming for you as you wouldn't have to study and analyse the replays trying to determine if an advantage exists or not

1) it is true about the traffic, but at least the penalties active during QL in GT5 can be helpful to the stewards and to prevent corner cutting.

2) In all the series i've raced in here in gtplanet like the ones PURE organize and several other racing leagues when there are multiple types of cars, they always do a individual spec checks on the "regulation settings" to ensure the field is 100% in regulation.

As i mentioned, i volunteer to help with the regulation check at any time, its easier than it looks.

 

[memto89]

i have been out of the house most of the day and will go through all of this tomorrow and give my reaction, but so far the all the comments are very valid points and i will give it some thought

 

[braunracing88]

What was going on at the start in GTE, what a mess, obviously the pole sitter didn't know what to do, I started at the place where the link shows and the 2 cars infront were still going pace speed, so I took off and started then slowed down to let them catch up, then they start going pace speed again, wtf? there was a link jonny put up showing where the race was gonna start. obviously not many looked at it or didn't understand.

Was a good race after that tho 👍 lost loads of time during the night, was really slow at times and couldn't get in a rythem at all. good win in GTE I-was-ere, you had some very good pace in the Nissan.

The same thing happened to me. That was the most f:censored:ed-up warmup lap I've ever been in. There were two groups of cars by the time we got to the starting point, the one the GTE pole-sitter was leading and the one I ended up leading. And I've got the names of those guilty parties on hand right here:

PaKoS
richboy2
Plotnik
T-n-T

If there's an option to automatically do rolling starts for online races, that's what needs to be used for Le Mans. That s:censored: that happened on Saturday was absurd beyond belief.

 

[memto89]

If I may, I would like to advise to start even LeMans with a complete pace lap so we're sure that we can go full speed on start/finish line 👍

The inaugural race of the second season will last 3 hours so there is no difference on doing a complete pace lap or not...

All rounds for season 2 will be full pace laps so no worries there.

Hi pep's, i have some suggestions to the stewards for next season.
My suggestions are to ensure the fairness between drivers and there cars and to bring up the quality of the series overall, this mite take a little more effort but on the long run is worth it.

-First of QUALIFYING.

Disadvantages of current procedure:
1-Drivers can cut corners without any penalties.
2-Slipstream.
3-Contacts between cars during qualy.
4-Your best lap could be spoiled by a slower car in front.

Advantages of suggested procedure:
1-Prevent's corner cutting.
2-No slipstream, pure driving skills.
3-No spoiled laps cause of other cars on the track.

New suggested qualifying procedure:

-Before the QL stats, in "event settings" put the Disable collisions: ON, and the Penalty: weak or strong, and check the box "Effective for free run" , then start QL.

-when the QL finishes, for example after 15min, one of the stewards order everybody to finish, exist the track and returns the disable collisions to OFF and the penalties to OFF

-After this is done, every one will be ckiked off the track but, all the times will still be saved and the QL grid order.

-After the event settings are revised stewards can precede to do the spec checks.

-Is important that every drivers remembers he's QL position in case of any start discrepancies on the grid order, that can be later sorted during the formation lap.

Spec Checks.
As we all know the real way to ensure a driver's car meets the specs allowed is by specifying it on the "Regulation Settings", "Not by typing it in the chat"

Disadvantages of current spec check procedure:
Any driver can cheat the specs and put a few more HP o less KG to its car without the stewards even notice it. Even 5 extra hp or 10 less KG over the officially regulated, can be clear advantage over another driver that is not cheating.

The suggested procedure will ensure the fairness of the race and will prevent cheaters.

Suggested Spec Checkup

-After the QL ended a steward will proceed to type in every car's specs on the Reg. Settings. by power and weigh order.

-For example starting with the power, the steward will put the HP's of the less powerful car and tell the driver to enter the track, then move to the next less powerful and so on.

-After all the drivers have enter the track by HP check, the steward will start by the Weight of the heavier car and move, one by one to the lightest car. In this stage the other cars will be kicked off the track, and MUST NOT enter the "settings sheet".

-The car that is listed with it's original weight like the R8 GTE, doesn't need to be weight checked.

-After all the cars have been checked the race can be started.

-This procedure can be done before the Qualify, no problem.

-Its important to prohibitive drivers to enter the Setting sheet after the spec check starts, and more important during the power/weight or vice verse transition. All the drivers must have there cars spec correct before the QL, cause this is just a checkup.
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Well, that is my suggestion, it's just to cause i think it can improve the series. If Directors (mento, TDZ etc) don't feel like implementing this, it's ok to me, and if they need some help on this, i would be glad to 👍

I'm with oalithgow on the spec checks, think you should run checks before qualy starts, so we all know everybody is at the right regs, I saw people in there settings after the chat checks yesterday. also mic's off during qualy as well.

I know the spec checks were a bit lacking in season 1, but i figured since it was season 1 we would just get the right people racing before we started to get really serious so for season 2 spec checks will be done in full with instant DQ if you are seen going back into the settings room after.
In terms of qualifying it will remain how it is, i know for a fact that the full time drivers we have are good fair drivers and will keep the regulations in mind when setting a lap time, but we feel it is key to the realism of the series to have issues in qualifying where say a slower car gets in the way, this is why you will see people like myself and jonnyb, if we cant get out first or make our way to the front we will hang back and make space, this is how they do it in real life.

Talking during qualifying shouldn't be allowed, it's a huge distraction.

Yea that will be stopped when things get serious next season

1) I like the racing to be as realistic as possible, therefore, slower cars in qualifying is, as in real life a factor and it should be here also. With the longer races and full damage, qualifying becomes significantly less import anyway. If you get held up in qually and qualify 4th instead of 2nd (for example), that difference is insignificant over a 3 hour race.

2) a formal spec check is absolutely paramount in my opinion. I realize that you are convinced of your ability to gauge any advantage but I am very much not convinced, nor are several others. I just can't understand why you are so opposed to such a common procedure when so many other series rely on it. The bottom line here is that I too trust everyone here, but then in the very back of my mind I am always wondering if there isn't someone stretching the rules, even by a fraction, so small that you may not notice it, yet enough to make a difference. People are people and as such, we are not all perfect creatures. Whenever I see someone leave the track moments before the race starts, make tuning adjustments and re-enter after the countdown clock starts, I can't help but be suspicious. Please, for the sake of simple "peace of mind", don't be so lazy and just do it ! In the long run, it would be less time consuming for you as you wouldn't have to study and analyse the replays trying to determine if an advantage exists or not

3) Talking and listening cause wrecks

The spec checks for season one were only informal as we wanted to get the following of good drivers and good team players, next season gets more in-depth and much more controlled

1) it is true about the traffic, but at least the penalties active during QL in GT5 can be helpful to the stewards and to prevent corner cutting.

2) In all the series i've raced in here in gtplanet like the ones PURE organize and several other racing leagues when there are multiple types of cars, they always do a individual spec checks on the "regulation settings" to ensure the field is 100% in regulation.

As i mentioned, i volunteer to help with the regulation check at any time, its easier than it looks.

We will not run the penalties for qualifying as it is to easy to be pinged for no reason and being on the racing line, like SPA where you go through turn 3 and you can get pinged without leaving the racing line.

The same thing happened to me. That was the most f:censored:ed-up warmup lap I've ever been in. There were two groups of cars by the time we got to the starting point, the one the GTE pole-sitter was leading and the one I ended up leading. And I've got the names of those guilty parties on hand right here:

PaKoS
richboy2
Plotnik
T-n-T

If there's an option to automatically do rolling starts for online races, that's what needs to be used for Le Mans. That s:censored: that happened on Saturday was absurd beyond belief.

The rolling starts will be from now on like ALMS starts where all cars are in the same group and set off at the same time and it will be (most likely) me that calls the green flag over head set before i turn it off

 

[memto89]

14 people to finish Nurb 24h 👍 that was cool
Unfortunately I was not able to save the replay in the end beacuse of the loading bar but anyway great fight with memto for third

Now down with lots of training for LeMans + new tyre regs + heavy damage
I look forward the new season because I'll be able to attend every race 👍

It was a good fight mate, nice driving

 

[GTPL_Plotnik]

The same thing happened to me. That was the most f:censored:ed-up warmup lap I've ever been in. There were two groups of cars by the time we got to the starting point, the one the GTE pole-sitter was leading and the one I ended up leading. And I've got the names of those guilty parties on hand right here:

PaKoS
richboy2
Plotnik
T-n-T

If there's an option to automatically do rolling starts for online races, that's what needs to be used for Le Mans. That s:censored: that happened on Saturday was absurd beyond belief.

I went for the rest of the thinking that slow down before the moment of the start of acute, that did not happen, however, so I do not want to be lossy and went well. I'm surprised that no one has before the start when they were turned head-sets not admonished leaders of the maximum speed to a flying start

 

[memto89]

BIG announcement

We are putting together a feeder series for the WEC.

WEC will now be dropping part time drivers and will only look for full time drivers. Any part time drivers will have first pick of the cars in the feeder series!

The feeder series named "WEC rising star series" will offer qualifying for a WEC spot race later in the year (not part of a championship race) with an Invitation to drive full time in season 3 (most likely on GT6)

The reason for doing this is the popularity of this WEC season has meant that people are being turned away which is something we dont want, it also causes car hopping which makes things a little tricky for the stewards.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=285033

 

[R0ssingt0n]

I aim to be coming back full time, gt5 kinda sucks in standard definition but I can make do until the ps4 comes out.

 

[memto89]

I would like to race in the second season with the LMP cars.

I may be able to race tomorrow night. I will know by 1pm and will post if I can or not after the Gran Prix, 3pm ish.

Will you be full time?

I aim to be coming back full time, gt5 kinda sucks in standard definition but I can make do until the ps4 comes out.

Kool mate what car??



Driver list, Season 2
Full Time LMP
memto89 - LMP - Full time - Pug 908
Jonnyb1990 - LMP - Full time - Pug 908
TDZdave - LMP Full time - Audi R8 05
Chozza_32 - LMP - Full time - Toyota TS020
Gprilli - LMP - Full Time - BMW V12 LMR
Oalithgow - LMP - Full time - Bentley Speed 8
Lout - LMP - Full time - Audi R8 01

Full Tim GTE
GTPL_Plotnik - GTE - Full time - Pagani Zonda
Larrylackapants - GTE - Full time - Vette C5r
i-was-ere - GTE - Full time - Ford GT Spec II
ANFD - GTE - Full time - Chevrolet Camaro LM
Richyb - GTE - Full time - Dodge Viper
Braunracing88 - GTE - Full time - Jaguar XJ220

Waiting on Decision:

Cars Left for Full time drivers:
LMP
Pescarolo GV5

GTE
Audi R8 LMS
Nissan Fairlady LM

 

[R0ssingt0n]

I'll go in the R8 lmp. Any specific colour R8 or is the red or yellow one fine?

 

[memto89]

I'll go in the R8 lmp. Any specific colour R8 or is the red or yellow one fine?

either one mate

 

[TDZdave]

I'll go in the R8 lmp. Any specific colour R8 or is the red or yellow one fine?

Just let us know what colour mate, we are going to drop the pescarolo so we are allowing the R8 '01 to double up, with the opposite colour of which you chose,

 

[R0ssingt0n]

I have both, can't remember which one is tuned though so I'll let you know my decision when I'm home

 

[TDZdave]

Thanks lout,

 

[RichyB28]

The same thing happened to me. That was the most f:censored:ed-up warmup lap I've ever been in. There were two groups of cars by the time we got to the starting point, the one the GTE pole-sitter was leading and the one I ended up leading. And I've got the names of those guilty parties on hand right here:

PaKoS
richboy2
Plotnik
T-n-T

If there's an option to automatically do rolling starts for online races, that's what needs to be used for Le Mans. That s:censored: that happened on Saturday was absurd beyond belief.

braun can you explain why were all guilty parties?


I hope you have watched the replay?, because all we were doing was following the pole sitting car at his pace speed till the starting point, as it states in the op, not our fault you didn't keep up with the pace speed set by the pole car and you caused the start to be in 2 groups.

 

[memto89]

braun can you explain why were all guilty parties?


I hope you have watched the replay?, because all we were doing was following the pole sitting car at his pace speed till the starting point, as it states in the op, not our fault you didn't keep up with the pace speed set by the pole car and you caused the start to be in 2 groups.

There has been warnings about arguing before and i dont want this to turn into one so please can we all drop the start issue?

It was a trial start which didnt work and we are looking for ways to improve so please let this issue go!!!

 

[RichyB28]

There has been warnings about arguing before and i dont want this to turn into one so please can we all drop the start issue?

It was a trial start which didnt work and we are looking for ways to improve so please let this issue go!!!

Ok mate im not argueing, I want to know why he's accusing us for the messed up start at N24 when me, plotnik and tnt did nothing wrong.

 

[memto89]

Ok mate im not argueing, I want to know why he's accusing us for the messed up start at N24 when me, plotnik and tnt did nothing wrong.

i know your not arguing just dont want it to become one

 

[RichyB28]

I understand you don't want any arguing on the thread memto, but when somebody posts on here accusing people for bad starts, then theres gonna be a response to that if the accused believes they have done nothing wrong. im not gonna just read and accept what im being accused of, especially when hes using names. if I did anything wrong then I would accept it and move on and try not to make the mistake next time. if braun can explain why he has accused us then we can put this to bed quickly, when he makes us sound like were bad racers then he needs to explain himself, we all know pakos is new to the series so we can accept that he made a mistake at the start as he didn't know the start procedure. all I want to know is why braun thinks the names hes put in his post messed the start up, because it shows in the replay me plotnik and tnt did everything stated in the op for start procedures.

 

[TDZdave]

I understand you don't want any arguing on the thread memto, but when somebody posts on here accusing people for bad starts, then theres gonna be a response to that if the accused believes they have done nothing wrong. im not gonna just read and accept what im being accused of, especially when hes using names. if I did anything wrong then I would accept it and move on and try not to make the mistake next time. if braun can explain why he has accused us then we can put this to bed quickly, when he makes us sound like were bad racers then he needs to explain himself, we all know pakos is new to the series so we can accept that he made a mistake at the start as he didn't know the start procedure. all I want to know is why braun thinks the names hes put in his post messed the start up, because it shows in the replay me plotnik and tnt did everything stated in the op for start procedures.

Agreed mate, unfortunately a few people were confused by the start procedure, which we are already discussing a better procedure for the longer circuits,
however, the issue should have been PM'd to us instead of being posted here initially,
Yes you were correct on how you started, and thankyou for dropping back and collected the rest of the field,
It was a trial run which failed and wont be used again, for further note things will be detailed more clearly in the drivers briefing which will be posted at the latest Monday evenings at the bottom of the OP and here on the thread so people who are unsure of the procedure can ask questions and get a better understanding,

 

[smuffyatfcp]

If lout goes in the red r8 could I take the yellow one?

 

[memto89]

If lout goes in the red r8 could I take the yellow one?

can you commit full time?

 

[R0ssingt0n]

Like I said I have both so I'll just go in the red one then. Saves a bit of hassle.

 

[freshseth83]

If you don't mind me joining, I can do lmp or gte. I'm not here for conversation, so I'm not going to question things, I'll just race, if allowed.

 

[memto89]

Driver list, Season 2
Full Time LMP
memto89 - LMP - Full time - Pug 908
Jonnyb1990 - LMP - Full time - Pug 908
TDZdave - LMP Full time - Audi R8 05
Chozza_32 - LMP - Full time - Toyota TS020
Gprilli - LMP - Full Time - BMW V12 LMR
Oalithgow - LMP - Full time - Bentley Speed 8
Long-haired-Lout - LMP - Full time - Audi R8 01 (red)
smuffyatfcp - LMP - Full time - Audi R8 01 (yellow)


Full Tim GTE
GTPL_Plotnik - GTE - Full time - Pagani Zonda
Larrylackapants - GTE - Full time - Vette C5r
i-was-ere - GTE - Full time - Ford GT Spec II
ANFD - GTE - Full time - Chevrolet Camaro LM
Richyb - GTE - Full time - Dodge Viper
Braunracing88 - GTE - Full time - Jaguar XJ220
PaKoS__89__PL - GTE - Full time - Audi R8 LMS

Waiting on Decision:

Cars Left for Full time drivers:
LMP
--

GTE
Nissan Fairlady LM

 

[smuffyatfcp]

can you commit full time?

Ill try and make as many races as I can. 👍. Most likely all of them.

 

[Osr20_L]

BIG announcement

We are putting together a feeder series for the WEC.

WEC will now be dropping part time drivers and will only look for full time drivers. Any part time drivers will have first pick of the cars in the feeder series!

The feeder series named "WEC rising star series" will offer qualifying for a WEC spot race later in the year (not part of a championship race) with an Invitation to drive full time in season 3 (most likely on GT6)

The reason for doing this is the popularity of this WEC season has meant that people are being turned away which is something we dont want, it also causes car hopping which makes things a little tricky for the stewards.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=285033

Awesome!!! Audi R10 ONE MAKE 👍 But too bad the s2000 doesn't resemble any real life GT class carr

 

[Osr20_L]

Memto, about the new tire rules, maybe is better if you regulate the tire usage by "stints" and not by minutes, that way it would be easier for you guys to enforce and supervise, and also instead of specifying by the medium tires, specify the by Soft tires, for example, 2 stints on R Soft maximum per race.

-with the current form, you guys will need to revise every driver's replay an count the time on which they use the Med's tires, for example; if i wish to start on Med's, then put Soft, then Med's, then Soft, imagine the dificulty of revising and calculating the time on each driver's Med tire usage!! ... just saying

Also note, that if you specify the tire rule by the Soft compound, everybody will try to squeeze out the maximum life out of the Soft, and not trying to avoid and minimize the time spend on Mediums.

 

[freshseth83]

Ill take the Nissan Z since there was no answer to my question.

 

[Pluxtheduck]

I'd like to come back to gte full time. Iwasere would like to swap to the z and I'll take the Ford as neither of liked the other car...