WEC S2, R9, Nurburgring GP/F Finale!
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I'm really looking forward to the highlights for Motegi, such a great fight with memto and jonny at some points of the race, that 60% of that is likely to be featured, can't wait!
I remember having a small bit of contact with i-was-ere was following memto through and he didn't spot as we aimed for the apex, it resulted in abit of contact, very minor and no damage was caused I believe.
I remember having a small bit of contact with i-was-ere was following memto through and he didn't spot as we aimed for the apex, it resulted in abit of contact, very minor and no damage was caused I believe.
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WEC, R6 Motegi
Lap 2 ZovomirBasten Jonnyb1990 avoidable contact: No damage caused
Verdict: ZovomirBasten Warning
Having reviewed the footage however, it becomes clear that Zovo is at least 0.5s later then the cars in front to even touch the brakes, a full second slower to actually get on them hard. The fact that this not only might be partially responsible for Oalith causing proper damage, could very easily have caused damage itself and occurred at the very first corner where we have warned about people being overzealous.
Lap 2 Oalithgow Chozza_32 avoidable contact: Damage caused
Verdict: Oalithgow +60s
Very similar incident to the one above, although initial reaction takes even longer (about 1.1s after Chozza begins to brake) during which time his car has visibly slowed drastically even if Oalith was unable to spot the brake lamps. Upon review of the footage, it seems that Oalith isnt even watching Zovo, since he closes up drastically before getting on the brakes; meaning this is likely entirely his own error.
Lap 2 Chozza_32 ZovomirBasten avoidable contact:
Verdict: Chozza_32 Repeated warning
First reaction is that Chozza doesnt get on the brakes until approximately 80-75m mark, from experience braking zone is usually 100-90m. However looking back at the exit of T2, he is off the throttle for a significant portion, and so is travelling at far lower speed than normal. From this I infer that it is simply a culmination of cold tyres, front suspension damage (which intermittently increases stopping distance) and the draft, which I found particularly difficult to predict at this track. The fact that no damage was actually caused means only a warning.
Lap 2 TDZ-4-12-14-88 Plotnik contact:
Verdict: NFA
Fairly open and shut; first racing lap (grip levels change slightly from practice), cold tyres, trying to maintain class lead, draft of LMP cars ahead. I dont believe the incident is avoidable, as well as the fact that Plotnik did not take damage (his pace would validate this), no penalty.
Lap 13 ZovomirBasten White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 24 Jonnyb1990 White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 24 Chozza_32 Tyre infridgment
Verdict: +11 secs
Lap 25 Zovomirbasten White line
Verdict: +30
Lap 39 Chozza_32 Oalithgow avoidable contact:
Verdict: Oalithgow warning (Possible technical issue)
I dont really know what happens here; while moving to the racing line for the entry of T3, Oalith lifts off the throttle (does not brake/no lights for indication). Chozza understandably fails to understand what is happening until it is too late and is unable to avoid the significantly slower car, although he doesnt lift off until the contact. Oaliths subsequent off is unrelated, he simply brakes too late on old tyres. I think Oalith should be warned for a dangerous move, if he had lightly braked to indicate he was letting the Toyota passed, or very obviously moved out of the way it would be a different story, however since he just sits on line it is completely unclear what he is doing.
Lap 48 Redbullrider20 White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 58 - Oalithgow White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 62 ZovomirBasten White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 66 Nin-Chin Iwasere contact:
Verdict: I-was-ere warning
On the entry of T3, Memto moves into position on the left of Iwasere, with Nin clearly following the LMP car ahead of him; in effect, this has turned the track into a two lane situation, with Memto and Nin in the left lane and Iwasere in the right. In the exit of T3 Nin has made the nose alongside Iwasere and Memto having cleared the GTE car moves over to the racing line. While Iwaseres car is in front for the entry of T4, and if they were racing it would be his corner, since he is technically being blue flagged, clearly not racing another GTE car nearby when the LMP cars are, it is entirely not his apex and the fact that he didnt either lift off or leave space on the apex could very easily have ruined Nins race.
Since there was no damage, a penalty is probably too extreme, I understand respect for the GTE cars line, however sometimes there seems to be deliberately unsympathetic to the races of others.
Lap 84 ZovomirBasten White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 85 I-was-ere White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 87 Oalithgow White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 92 Memto89 White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 93 Memto89 Iwasere contact: footage
Verdict: Memto89 warning
While this incident itself seems entirely unavoidable, Memtos driving up until this climax leaves a little to be desired. He is pushing so hard that he is barely able to keep it on the road for consecutive corners, let alone an entire lap. The fact that this incident is unique, in that it was an unpredictable spin on the slip road rather than a spin of the curbs on the exit, is the only reason youre not getting slapped with a penalty. The fact that you are usually a fantastic driver means you should be been able to see that you were pushing too hard, dialled it back, and taken a podium.
Lap 104 Jonny1990 I-was-ere avoidable contact: footage
Verdict: Both warning
Fairly clear cut case of miscommunication. Jonny is attempting to make the pass, realises he cant beat Iwasere on the brakes, starts to duck back behind the GTE car. However when the GTE fails to turn in Jonny assumes that he is being allowed through (hes about to start his final lap, the GTE car isnt racing anyone and its far easier to pass here than through the next complex), he eases off the brakes moving his nose alongside at which point the GTE car, who probably saw his indecision, turns in.
Since the GTE car does not sustain damage and isnt forced from the track, it seems out of place to apply a penalty; however there seems to be bad blood between the two so warnings must be issued.
The LMP car was equally in no rush to execute the pass and had in fact slowed to follow the GTE car through the corner, only a significant lapse in good judgement and a misplaced sense of entitlement made him commit to a most likely closing door.
The GTE car could have been more aware, while the LMP is initially indecisive, he has clearly committed to the apex before the GTE turns in and there is plenty of space for the two cars to pass side by side. This follows on from the Lap 66 incident where space is simply not provided when it could be.
Overall this seems to be a 50/50 blame issue, but since neither car was significantly delayed, driver warnings will probably suffice.
Finishing order
LMP
jonnyb
nin-chin
chozza_32
memto89
zovomirbasten
oalithgow
redbullrider
GTE
TDZ
Plotnik
i-was-ere
duke-adam
Highlights Video
Lap 2 ZovomirBasten Jonnyb1990 avoidable contact: No damage caused
Verdict: ZovomirBasten Warning
Having reviewed the footage however, it becomes clear that Zovo is at least 0.5s later then the cars in front to even touch the brakes, a full second slower to actually get on them hard. The fact that this not only might be partially responsible for Oalith causing proper damage, could very easily have caused damage itself and occurred at the very first corner where we have warned about people being overzealous.
Lap 2 Oalithgow Chozza_32 avoidable contact: Damage caused
Verdict: Oalithgow +60s
Very similar incident to the one above, although initial reaction takes even longer (about 1.1s after Chozza begins to brake) during which time his car has visibly slowed drastically even if Oalith was unable to spot the brake lamps. Upon review of the footage, it seems that Oalith isnt even watching Zovo, since he closes up drastically before getting on the brakes; meaning this is likely entirely his own error.
Lap 2 Chozza_32 ZovomirBasten avoidable contact:
Verdict: Chozza_32 Repeated warning
First reaction is that Chozza doesnt get on the brakes until approximately 80-75m mark, from experience braking zone is usually 100-90m. However looking back at the exit of T2, he is off the throttle for a significant portion, and so is travelling at far lower speed than normal. From this I infer that it is simply a culmination of cold tyres, front suspension damage (which intermittently increases stopping distance) and the draft, which I found particularly difficult to predict at this track. The fact that no damage was actually caused means only a warning.
Lap 2 TDZ-4-12-14-88 Plotnik contact:
Verdict: NFA
Fairly open and shut; first racing lap (grip levels change slightly from practice), cold tyres, trying to maintain class lead, draft of LMP cars ahead. I dont believe the incident is avoidable, as well as the fact that Plotnik did not take damage (his pace would validate this), no penalty.
Lap 13 ZovomirBasten White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 24 Jonnyb1990 White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 24 Chozza_32 Tyre infridgment
Verdict: +11 secs
Lap 25 Zovomirbasten White line
Verdict: +30
Lap 39 Chozza_32 Oalithgow avoidable contact:
Verdict: Oalithgow warning (Possible technical issue)
I dont really know what happens here; while moving to the racing line for the entry of T3, Oalith lifts off the throttle (does not brake/no lights for indication). Chozza understandably fails to understand what is happening until it is too late and is unable to avoid the significantly slower car, although he doesnt lift off until the contact. Oaliths subsequent off is unrelated, he simply brakes too late on old tyres. I think Oalith should be warned for a dangerous move, if he had lightly braked to indicate he was letting the Toyota passed, or very obviously moved out of the way it would be a different story, however since he just sits on line it is completely unclear what he is doing.
Lap 48 Redbullrider20 White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 58 - Oalithgow White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 62 ZovomirBasten White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 66 Nin-Chin Iwasere contact:
Verdict: I-was-ere warning
On the entry of T3, Memto moves into position on the left of Iwasere, with Nin clearly following the LMP car ahead of him; in effect, this has turned the track into a two lane situation, with Memto and Nin in the left lane and Iwasere in the right. In the exit of T3 Nin has made the nose alongside Iwasere and Memto having cleared the GTE car moves over to the racing line. While Iwaseres car is in front for the entry of T4, and if they were racing it would be his corner, since he is technically being blue flagged, clearly not racing another GTE car nearby when the LMP cars are, it is entirely not his apex and the fact that he didnt either lift off or leave space on the apex could very easily have ruined Nins race.
Since there was no damage, a penalty is probably too extreme, I understand respect for the GTE cars line, however sometimes there seems to be deliberately unsympathetic to the races of others.
Lap 84 ZovomirBasten White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 85 I-was-ere White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 87 Oalithgow White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 92 Memto89 White Line
Verdict: +30 secs
Lap 93 Memto89 Iwasere contact: footage
Verdict: Memto89 warning
While this incident itself seems entirely unavoidable, Memtos driving up until this climax leaves a little to be desired. He is pushing so hard that he is barely able to keep it on the road for consecutive corners, let alone an entire lap. The fact that this incident is unique, in that it was an unpredictable spin on the slip road rather than a spin of the curbs on the exit, is the only reason youre not getting slapped with a penalty. The fact that you are usually a fantastic driver means you should be been able to see that you were pushing too hard, dialled it back, and taken a podium.
Lap 104 Jonny1990 I-was-ere avoidable contact: footage
Verdict: Both warning
Fairly clear cut case of miscommunication. Jonny is attempting to make the pass, realises he cant beat Iwasere on the brakes, starts to duck back behind the GTE car. However when the GTE fails to turn in Jonny assumes that he is being allowed through (hes about to start his final lap, the GTE car isnt racing anyone and its far easier to pass here than through the next complex), he eases off the brakes moving his nose alongside at which point the GTE car, who probably saw his indecision, turns in.
Since the GTE car does not sustain damage and isnt forced from the track, it seems out of place to apply a penalty; however there seems to be bad blood between the two so warnings must be issued.
The LMP car was equally in no rush to execute the pass and had in fact slowed to follow the GTE car through the corner, only a significant lapse in good judgement and a misplaced sense of entitlement made him commit to a most likely closing door.
The GTE car could have been more aware, while the LMP is initially indecisive, he has clearly committed to the apex before the GTE turns in and there is plenty of space for the two cars to pass side by side. This follows on from the Lap 66 incident where space is simply not provided when it could be.
Overall this seems to be a 50/50 blame issue, but since neither car was significantly delayed, driver warnings will probably suffice.
Finishing order
LMP
jonnyb
nin-chin
chozza_32
memto89
zovomirbasten
oalithgow
redbullrider
GTE
TDZ
Plotnik
i-was-ere
duke-adam
Stewarding Video
Points
Highlights Video
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From 4th to 7th cause of penaltyes, guess i will NOt try harder next time.
And memto please specify where are all those stupid wite line you always came out with, cause we race followind the line thay real life cars take on that track, at least me personally. Also in the brefings you specified there weren't any zones were one could cut and that the pit exit was ok.
And memto please specify where are all those stupid wite line you always came out with, cause we race followind the line thay real life cars take on that track, at least me personally. Also in the brefings you specified there weren't any zones were one could cut and that the pit exit was ok.
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PS: the contact with choza on the 2d lap, he didn't get any damage, the one with the damage was me, i had to do an early pit stop cause of that, but im not blaming choza it was all my fault.
On lap 39 my intention was to let choza pass cause he had better tires.
For me i know i finished the race in a well deserved 4th plase, at least tha't wat i belive, everyting else is just political bs.
On lap 39 my intention was to let choza pass cause he had better tires.
For me i know i finished the race in a well deserved 4th plase, at least tha't wat i belive, everyting else is just political bs.
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Your not the only one to lose out big time with penalties, you had contact at the start and then on pit entry you came in to fast that the car didn't stop in time to make the corner...
I shall also point you toward Laguna where I won the race and ended up in 4th place due to an incident, it's racing and it happens...
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Toyko was a clear cut case, the A.I would lead you out of the pits, it's up to us to try and stay inside the yellow line(at toyko) when you exited you had half the car completely over the yellow line, then you dip back in, I know memto got 1 offence for doing that, I didn't get any because I was caution and made sure I didn't go over them, all you had to do was lift to get the pointed alongside the yellow line, yeah sure I lost a second or so, but it's better than 10secs for 1 offence, mind you, I still have that replay, I could upload it if I actually have a real recorder/camera
Here at Motegi there is no line exiting the pits, it's the pit entry that is judged, brake to make sure you navigate the right-left on the pit lane properly, just like in real life, they don't go barreling down the grass just to gain an advantage.
Mind you in real life you can get 1min stop and go's for speeding in the pits, 30secs for an unsafe release, so it could be worse than what you got.
Also if you are moving over to let somebody pass, stay to one side e.g off the racing line, it makes things alot more predictable for the car behind too.
Here at Motegi there is no line exiting the pits, it's the pit entry that is judged, brake to make sure you navigate the right-left on the pit lane properly, just like in real life, they don't go barreling down the grass just to gain an advantage.
Mind you in real life you can get 1min stop and go's for speeding in the pits, 30secs for an unsafe release, so it could be worse than what you got.
Also if you are moving over to let somebody pass, stay to one side e.g off the racing line, it makes things alot more predictable for the car behind too.
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OK ninners let me check....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TF8SmCtQeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxoYCDzyqA
I disagree, this was the case on every single pit stop for memto and me. there i took 3 white lines, memto only 1
That was just the tokyo pit stops, the other incidents were my fault, so i guess i was't taking the 2nd place on tokyo anyways
But nevermind i woke up a little borred today and the motegui results made me more grumpy
just ignore my comments and lets move on!!! 
But im just asking a little bit more fairness whandling the incidents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TF8SmCtQeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxoYCDzyqA
I disagree, this was the case on every single pit stop for memto and me. there i took 3 white lines, memto only 1
That was just the tokyo pit stops, the other incidents were my fault, so i guess i was't taking the 2nd place on tokyo anyways
But nevermind i woke up a little borred today and the motegui results made me more grumpy
just ignore my comments and lets move on!!! But im just asking a little bit more fairness whandling the incidents
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Just to end this debate, memto did it once, which is what you shown in the video, however you did it 3 times hence the 30sec penalty along with your 1min with the incident with tati anyway that is in the past and lets move on.
When memto did it once, he was given 10secs, the main reason you lost 2nd was because you had 1min added, don't forget that memto is not the only steward, Dave and Jonny are also stewards, but Dave wasn't there so it was just memto and Jonny.
When memto did it once, he was given 10secs, the main reason you lost 2nd was because you had 1min added, don't forget that memto is not the only steward, Dave and Jonny are also stewards, but Dave wasn't there so it was just memto and Jonny.
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Nin did you whatch the replay?? cause i did just right now and whe all 3 entered and exited the pit the exact same way every single lap.
nin-chin pit stops laps: 14, 27, 42, 55
oalithgow laps: 11, 26, 40, 50
memto laps: 8, 18, 33, 43
Decide to only penalize oalithgow 3 times, memto 1, and nin-chin not even once! for a thing that we all did the same way every single time, it's beyond me.
And nin-chin, if you don't have the replay i can record every pit stop from the 3 of us (enter and exit) for you to see what i'm talking about, just ask
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I'm not focusing on the entering, mentioned just in case... it was the same exit for all of us avery time. i don't know if the steward for thar race was you or jonny but at least admit it was an error, stewarding error, giving me those 3 10sec white line penalty, if it were fair it woulded be 4 10sec white line penaltys far all of us (nin-chin, memto, oalit) not mention the gt class.....anways that is the past, let's move on
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Twin Motegi Review
LMP
As jonnyb1990 streaked away his 4th consecutive win of the season, Ninners took over the standard podium, this time a second place, memto89's evening however did not go as planed, early in the race he was running 2nd to arch-rival jonny, stalking his every move, after the first round of stops memto leaped ahead for a while, before jonny re-took the race lead, as different fuel strategies played their part, Ninners, who qualified on pole, was right with the 2 908s, having topped up at his second stop.After Ninners made his stop for came out just infront of Jonny, but on ice cold tyres struggled to get them up to full racing temperature, the 2 were glued for the following laps when memto89 who stayed out longer, darted out of the pits with a small but important lead, sadly for Ninners, jonny had already found a round him, using traffic to his advantage, while jonny inched away from Ninners, he caught up with memto89 and passed him after 4laps of staring at his Orera liveried 908.Ninners caught up too, but this was the defining moment in the race, with the BMW inable to pick his way round the 908, meanwhile jonny streaked away to 15second lead, memto bailed out with a pitstop, Ninners followed shortly afterwards, sadly for him, he was still behind, despite many overtaking opportunities he couldn't get past, not to worry though as memto sparked a series of off track moments, effectively giving up 2nd place to Ninners, infact it went to wrong, he dropped a lap behind him, and was down in 6th place behind Chozza who was lacking pace, however he had a moment himself, giving up his 5th place, and 2mins later, jonnyb1990 streaked across the line, 56secs ahead of Ninners, a lap ahead of Zovo and oalithgow,memto89 and Chozza with Red Bull further down the road in 7th, post race penalties changed the order slightly, with Chozza up to 3rd with memto89 4th, oalithgow 5th and Zovo 6th, only memto and jonny can win LMP, but with a slightly disapointing race for memto caused him to slip even further back, his changes are faultering, points total is on the previous page for LMP and GTE.
GTE
TDZ_Dave won ahead of Plotnik and i-was-ere who moved to the top of standings after Richy failed to turn up, as a result, Plotnik moved up to 2nd in the standings, Plotnik lead the early stages of the race, seeming to have it all under control, until late in the race he dropped back behind Dave, some incidents with LMPs changed the race dramatically, as i-was-ere made contact with memto89, costing him a chance of a better result, but he can't be so disapointed as he collected a valuable 3rd place to move the head of the standings, duke_adam impressed in his debut race in the Viper, standing in for Richy finishing in 4th place.
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Let me get this straight, at Toyko only the pit exit is counted. In 3 of your pit stops you crossed the yellow straight after exiting, then you dive back inside, memto made this offence once and we can see that, I didn't, because I lifted so I could straighten the car up so I wouldn't cross the line.
I shall upload this soon if you want.
I shall upload this soon if you want.
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- ZovomirVanBasten
Goddam, I should have practiced my pit entry more before the race.
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- memto89
Lol it did seem a little to funny watching you do it almost every lap... there was one where the AI saves you by the smallest of margins where you had 3 wheels on the grass, but as rules state all 4 wheels need to be over the line
Nice TV
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