Week 104: Got No Time!
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Kent
VERY Sorry my English sometimes fails me.
Both replays were done in exactly the same manner. That is to say "Manual" and "Race" were the two choices I opted for. I had NO Idea selecting Manual or Automatic would make a difference.
In the "Options" menu "Manual" is selected as well. Sorry for any confusion. 
Pink_the_Floyd
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Monty
👍
One question:
Don't tell me this is the last week of the GT3 WRS?
Nooooooooo, we europeans get the game later that's a "little" unfair.
BTW: Great race 👍
I'm driving with a Mclaren wheel (???) but it works great 👍
Driving the Castrol and I am not seeing any difference between those two cars 👍
Cheers,
Happy B-day for the WRS (1 year existance 👍 )
* EDIT *: Oops sorry, 2 years existance
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Soo-Em_Roi
There must be something else that influence the behavior of the cars then... Else I could not understand how everybody is saying that the Castrol has a higher speed on the straights than the Denso :?:
They have the same Final, but yet, all the other gears are smaller on the Denso, which means it should technically reach a higher speed than the Castrol - everything else held constant...
Anybody has an explanation for this?
Unless, the gearing in the Castrol is tuned in order to match its powerband in a better/more efficient way than the setup in the Denso... Could this be the reason?
Or are you guys saying that the Castrol is better on the straights because it accelerates better (having taller gears than the Denso, this might be the explanation) therefore reaching its top speed quicker?
The Wizard.
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Well I don't think i'll be racing this (Uber Rusty Skillz+Track I don't like = Bad time) But good luck to everyone else and watch out when GT4 comes out cause i'm making a Div. 2 comeback.
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vexd
Race on !!!
I think this week will see a lot more effort from me just down to the fact that theres a lot more clean laps being run, just down to the fact that the car is a lot slower than the monster we had last week.
I too hope that this isnt the last week for GT3 in the WRS - It would be a shame to miss out on the racing.
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BigJamesGTI
I agree with you on your first point 100%, BigJamesGTI 👍
I have just run a quick ten lapper just to see what I can do/what I can aim for, and it is really easy to get a fast + clean combination... It won't take nearly the same amount of time it took me in Rome to get a decent and clean lap - not even close
About your second point - you don't have anything to worry about. Kent said multiple times in multiple threads that the transition to GT4 will not be made immediately, but within a few weeks after its release (both in US and Europe - so, PAL people who compete here are safe as well
)... This will give everybody time to accumulate/unlock cars/tracks and get experienced with the game and the 'improved' physics.The Wizard.
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- Small_Fryz
I see your point there GT3mich, Im sure it will be fine however, we will cross that bridge when we come to it, i will be competing right up until march 9th. when i get GT4, we will see if i still do GT3 WRS.
I did a dirty lap in the castrol that nearly put me into the next "zone" of times. Its possible for me to make it clean, but its got to be a very good lap.
I did a dirty lap in the castrol that nearly put me into the next "zone" of times. Its possible for me to make it clean, but its got to be a very good lap.
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The conclusion i came to a couple years ago when i tested both versions of the Supra was that the Castrol car has a slight disadvantage in downforce to the Denso regardless of what the wings are set at.Since downforce=drag the Denso will always be slower at the end of the straights but the difference will be made back up in the turns.TheWizard
The testing i did involved using the MK program and swapping parts (engines) between the two cars and comparing the speeds at the test track.The end result showed the Castrol was always ahead in top speed regardless of what settings i used and even if it had the Denso's engine in it.
The only difference i found between the two engines was if i remember correctly the Castrol engine had a slightly higher optimum shift point-6500 rpm vs 6000 rpm for the Denso.
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IforceV8
I agree. The denso seems to have more cornering grip than the castrol at speed. logicaly that tells me it has more downforce, and I never get out of fith with it. The castrol not only has less downforce, but slightly lower gear ratios, pointed out by Soo-em_roi. which is why it accelerates better and hence, tops out faster.
The denso has been the better car for me but I'm going to try the castrol out again before the end of the week.
@ KENT! I just improved my lap by annother 4 tenths, but I think it might be dirty. I think I cut down on one of the corners too much. The front of the car wasn't completely off, but i guess to describe it I'd say I had two and a half tiers off. Is it dirty?
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- PpR_Junkyardspec or GTP_Junkyardspec
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In gt4 the las vegas drag strip will be an actual track to race upon, will we be doing WRS there because im a big real life dragger and racer.
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StrokerAce
Let's just wait for the game to make any plans like that.
I know you haven't been here long so let me tell you that we have never done the super speedway or the test course.
I think I'm done for the week.
Just don't want to put in tons and tons of time to get a new clean lap.
Plus with gt4 coming out soon it just takes a little more dedication than usual.
On that note, I have seen many of you inquire about the Gt4 switch.
I will make a "press release"
before the weekend is over. 
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- GTP_Mars
I had a good crack at this test last night... was great comparing the Castrol to the Denso using the data logger... here, without any times!( 
) are my findings...
I set my PB in the Denso, and could not equal the time in the Castrol... but surprisingly, the data logger showed that, of Grand Valley's 21 sections, I was quicker in 15/21 in the Castrol, and only 6/21 in the Denso (yet I was 0.200 secs quicker overall in the Denso)... I switched back to the Denso, and got a lap-time 0.004 sec slower than my best Castrol time, and this time I was quicker in 9/21 sections in the Denso, but still 12/21 quicker in the Castrol... the major difference (in both laps) was that the Castrol is always marginally faster, particularly in the straight sections, but the Denso is substantially and consistently quicker round the corners... The sections where I was quicker in the Denso were almost exactly the same in both runs... sections 9-12 (the curves before the first tunnel before the second split) and also 14-17 (the start of the final sector - the long curve in the tunnel)..... also, the Denso is usually quicker over section 3 (the first corner), although wasn't in either of these runs...
The Castrol is so much faster in a straight line, that by the time both cars cross the start/finish line to start a lap, the Castrol is already 3 KPH faster (~ 246 KPH) and on reaching section 3 (the first hairpin), it's already a full car length in front. But the Denso is more slower in, faster out, has better acceleration and my quickest 1st sector time of all is over 0.1 secs faster than my best in the Castrol..
So, in conclusion, I think that the Castrol may be faster, but the Denso is better
... I noticed that the only actual difference is the gear ratios (from the posts above)... the Castrol is 'wider', making it better for straights, and worse on the corners... the Denso was (for me) unbeatable round the curved sections, and despite being slower by 2-3 KPH throughout the majority of the circuit, the Denso still comes out on top for me... I can't explain exactly why the Denso 'handles' better merely through having a narrower gearing ratio, but after 30 laps in each car, I am convinced that it does...
Happy 'semi-silent' racing...
TM
) are my findings...I set my PB in the Denso, and could not equal the time in the Castrol... but surprisingly, the data logger showed that, of Grand Valley's 21 sections, I was quicker in 15/21 in the Castrol, and only 6/21 in the Denso (yet I was 0.200 secs quicker overall in the Denso)... I switched back to the Denso, and got a lap-time 0.004 sec slower than my best Castrol time, and this time I was quicker in 9/21 sections in the Denso, but still 12/21 quicker in the Castrol... the major difference (in both laps) was that the Castrol is always marginally faster, particularly in the straight sections, but the Denso is substantially and consistently quicker round the corners... The sections where I was quicker in the Denso were almost exactly the same in both runs... sections 9-12 (the curves before the first tunnel before the second split) and also 14-17 (the start of the final sector - the long curve in the tunnel)..... also, the Denso is usually quicker over section 3 (the first corner), although wasn't in either of these runs...
The Castrol is so much faster in a straight line, that by the time both cars cross the start/finish line to start a lap, the Castrol is already 3 KPH faster (~ 246 KPH) and on reaching section 3 (the first hairpin), it's already a full car length in front. But the Denso is more slower in, faster out, has better acceleration and my quickest 1st sector time of all is over 0.1 secs faster than my best in the Castrol..
So, in conclusion, I think that the Castrol may be faster, but the Denso is better
... I noticed that the only actual difference is the gear ratios (from the posts above)... the Castrol is 'wider', making it better for straights, and worse on the corners... the Denso was (for me) unbeatable round the curved sections, and despite being slower by 2-3 KPH throughout the majority of the circuit, the Denso still comes out on top for me... I can't explain exactly why the Denso 'handles' better merely through having a narrower gearing ratio, but after 30 laps in each car, I am convinced that it does...Happy 'semi-silent' racing...
TM
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- GTP_Kent
I think there is probably some testing that still needs to be done.
Not that you guys aren't doing great work, cause you are. 👍
However, this is just like all the previous weeks with 2 similar cars.
You all probably remember my refference to week 85 where we ran the skylines at laguna...
The Loctite was the one to beat.
Yet some how I managed a second or third place finish in my calsonic (right behind P).
So how did I manage it?
Probably the same way I will manage to make sure the castrol does better than any of you think it can.
Ok, any is a strong word.
Atleast a few of you will be suprised though.
Not that you guys aren't doing great work, cause you are. 👍
However, this is just like all the previous weeks with 2 similar cars.
You all probably remember my refference to week 85 where we ran the skylines at laguna...
The Loctite was the one to beat.
Yet some how I managed a second or third place finish in my calsonic (right behind P).
So how did I manage it?
Probably the same way I will manage to make sure the castrol does better than any of you think it can.
Ok, any is a strong word.
Atleast a few of you will be suprised though.
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- Small_Fryz
bring it on kent .
im running what ever is faster, i do a session with one and then a session with the other. each is strong in there respective sections but for me they are (final time) about the same.
.im running what ever is faster, i do a session with one and then a session with the other. each is strong in there respective sections but for me they are (final time) about the same.
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- Small_Fryz
i go 2nd, then 3rd.
