Week 19: Mazda Again?

[SimRaceDriver]

Well, after running laps in both the C5R & Viper and racing against each cars best 'ghost', I've only been able to get the following (lousy) lap times running in the Viper:

T1: 19:128
T2: 37:268
T3: 56:757

I'm turning just a hair faster T1's in the C5R, but faster overall lap times are still being put up by the Viper.

I've not tried either the Ford GT or the Camaro and probably wont as I've never really liked those cars personally.

Lord knows how some of you are turning low 18's by T1!
Simply UNREAL is all I have to say! :-)

I'll keep at it over the next few days, just to see if 'maybe' I can better these times!

SRD:

 

[Dave_George]

Regarding the cars not being equal, im sure there isnt enough difference to make a difference, its more down to the Viper being better balanced that it gets better times. I did 3 laps in each car to get a feel and the Viper felt more at home and less edgy on the track, i did get nearly as quick in the C5R but its less forgiving.....

And regarding the gear ratios use all 6 gears! Would a race team bother to fit a six speed box and not use em all? Im using 280 top speed and the shorter gearing enables greater acceleration out of bends, just have to watch for 4th gear rear tyre light up out of the corkscrew!

 

[TheWizard]

After a few laps I managed to obtain a T3 under 55 seconds.
Guess I am going to have to stick with the Viper, as the GT doesn't even come close to that time - it's almost a second slower at T3...

Corvette I haven't tried yet, and don't think I'll ever will.
Camaro it's just plain slow.

T3: 0'54.7xx

I can't seem to find a good way of doing the 180 at the end of the straight after the Start-Finish line, as the best T1 I have seen was in the order of 18.3xx

Do you guys go for both rumble strips?
Take it as a single turn?
I don't get it... If somebody would like to give me a walkthrough of that turn I will gladly appreciate it 👍

Later.

The Wizard.

 

[Puck927]

@MinorShunt: Thanks for the praise on the GT time, but there's plenty left in that car. Can probably knock another 0.5 off easy as I made plenty of mistakes as usual. I think it's possible to get down to where hOtbOi is right now in the Viper. And that goes for the rest of the cars as well. The Viper is NOT the only car capable of winning this week!

@Kent: I know I or anyone else are not the only ones to come up with this idea. I just seem to remember being one of the first to toss out this specific combo in the suggestions box for the GT4 WRS. It would be arrogant for anyone to think they were the first to come up with ANY idea considering how long you guys have been doing the WRS. But still, thanks for doing it 👍 .

 

[TeamLosiRacer]

I could try to do a write up if you would like. Although it may not be a sure fire way to shave seconds off of your time but It may help.

 

[TheWizard]

That would be great, TeamLosiRacer 👍
I generally do not like to read write-ups regarding the whole track, as I tend to like discovering things my way.

But this particular turn is giving me more problems than usual and more than the other turns in the track.

I just can't find a consistant way of doing it.
Sometimes, if I am lucky, I get into the 18'3xx's. Else the 18'5xx's are the ones that appear more often.

I would just like to get consistantly into the 18'3xx's. Possibly lower

The Wizard.

 

[Dave_George]

After a few laps I managed to obtain a T3 under 55 seconds.
Guess I am going to have to stick with the Viper, as the GT doesn't even come close to that time - it's almost a second slower at T3...

Corvette I haven't tried yet, and don't think I'll ever will.
Camaro it's just plain slow.

T3: 0'54.7xx

I can't seem to find a good way of doing the 180 at the end of the straight after the Start-Finish line, as the best T1 I have seen was in the order of 18.3xx

Do you guys go for both rumble strips?
Take it as a single turn?
I don't get it... If somebody would like to give me a walkthrough of that turn I will gladly appreciate it 👍

Later.

The Wizard.

Do a lap in B spec to watch the correct line.....then try to apply it in A spec with more speed!

 

[Dr_Watson]

Do a lap in B spec to watch the correct line.....then try to apply it in A spec with more speed!

yeah, b-spec billy actually does quite a good job in sector 1.
his line in turn 1 and 2 is very good. (just slow speeds)

 

[TeamLosiRacer]

I have not looked at the B-Spec mode yet but here are my notes from that corner.

You want to approach the corner ar around 164mph, then hit the brakes to around 50mph you want to begin turning in at the 2nd to last braking marker. At that point i like to just barely touch the 1st rumble strip. Let the car drift out to the middle of the road mid corner, then bring it back in to hit the 2nd rumble strip. During the corner you should have burned off enough speed to allow you to stay on the gas the entire corner, your exit speed should be around 80, and you will go on the white rumble strip as you exit the corner.

Let me know if this was of any help.

Write ups are a bit new for me and I have really realized how little I actually focus on the numbers and the speed.

 

[TheWizard]

Thanks for the tips, guys 👍
I will try and watch B-spec mode, to get a clearer picture of what I am supposed to do.

I kinda figured I had to do that curve as a single turn, the middle of it being the imaginary apex I have to hit, and then floor it from there on.

I guess I have to work a little more on turn 2 and same goes for the rest of the track.

I just did another few laps and I managed a clean, respectable (from my point of view ) lap.

Here are the splits:

T1: 0'18.346
T2: 0'35.917
T3: 0'54.432

I am going to try one more session.

Later.

The Wizard.

 

[Kent]

I must apologize to all of you.

My questions for BTTW were in appropriate.
I should have taken his criticisms of the viper to be the joking awards they were... Not serious display of experience and wisdom.

He has greater wisdom and experience than I or many of us could ever imagine- quite the veteran he is. 👍

I sincerely apologize to BTTW as well as the general public of the WRS.

On a similar note, I must also apologize to all of you once again for my comments regarding the track selection and its originality.

I was mis-guided in my efforts to express just how much of a "classic" combo this race is.

The comments I so poorly reacted to did not actually reflect claims of credit for creating this excellent race setup.

My initial reaction may have been blunt and or offensive to many of you and so...

I apologize.

Take all of this for what you will but please do not create a discussion regarding the subject.

This thread will not turn into a group therapy session. 👍

Thanks for you time and hopefully your understanding as well.
Sincerely,
-Kent

Now, please... back to the racing

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

i have the ford gt in my garage...

but it wont show up in arcade mode...

uhhhh

Vette Lap

0'18.019
0'35.360
0'53.931

happy i got it into the 53's

but its a full 2 seconds off my best viper lap... lol

 

[Dave_George]

Now, please... back to the racing

Quite right too!

Finish work in an hour and got to find a second on T3 by friday to get to my midweek goal!

so far t1 18:1xx
t2 36:0xx
t3 55:002

Funny thing this week as the speeds are so much higher does anyone else find that one mistake can put out your whole lap? im doing 5 lap stints as after a few i seem to make an error and take a downward spiral from there...maybe just me!

David

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

0'18.063 ( seen 0'17.940 )
0'34.973
0'52.897

Viper~ see .300 at max to improve

Love this track, so TECHNICAL that every single corner can make up time

 

[TheWizard]

Well, I just finished another session. Couldn't manage a clean lap, but I obtained some interesting splits. I am enjoying this combo more and more as I go.

I always loved the track, even if in GT3 it was a little easier.

Here are my splits:

T1: 0'18.2xx
T2: 0'35.5xx
T3: 0'53.8xx

The xx's are there just because the laps were not clean and I did not save them. I only remember the first digit.

Still quite a bit of room for improvement.

I will try some more later.

The Wizard.

 

[TeamLosiRacer]

0'18.063 ( seen 0'17.940 )
0'34.973
0'52.897

Viper~ see .300 at max to improve

Love this track, so TECHNICAL that every single corner can make up time

Amazing times!

I do wonder if this track will be a lot like Sears Point where basicly the top guys were getting the most out of the track at the very start unlike other places where the top people were continuosly finding faster, and faster lines the entire week?

 

[MinorShunt]

The Viper is NOT the only car capable of winning this week!

I agree! Actually I found that the Camaro was second fastest in my short testing time. The Ford was 3rd fastest, and the C5R was last. (final times not splits) Testing was not comprehensive I know, just interesting. Still, my time in the Viper is almost 2 seconds faster so far.

Could I ask what gearing you are leaning towards in the Ford?
I ended up at 280 in the Viper, and never tested any of the others past 310....

Also, I had a hard time maintaining speed in the Ford at the little dip and kink at the bottom of the corkscrew just before T3 . Tended to get just a bit sideways. Do you find that it is better to brake early and maintain a higher gear/throttle balance thru the kink, or late, and power out? I'm really having a problem figuring out this section. I hit it right only once every 3-4 laps.

Braking at the dip doesn't work real well in any case!

 

[ohjel]

Mine on Ford GT II:

0'18.735

0'36.287

0'54.857

Hope to find the right line tomorow...

 

[Jump_Ace]

Great question Shunt! I too would like to know the answer to how BEST approach the corkscrew.

jump_ace

 

[MinorShunt]

Great question Shunt! I too would like to know the answer to how BEST approach the corkscrew.

jump_ace

I seem to remember a license test? in GT3 in a Viper that gave me absolute fits trying to Gold. I think the test was about 23 or 24 seconds long? But I spent just hours trying for that one. Did it once, and never looked back or even wondered how I did it! Now the left hander at the bottom just after the corkscrew is even trickier!

I'm going to work hard on that T2-T3 sector for sure. I hate being so inconsistent through the whole section.

What a track!!!! 👍

 

[KLR142]

I can't seem to find a good way of doing the 180 at the end of the straight after the Start-Finish line, as the best T1 I have seen was in the order of 18.3xx

Do you guys go for both rumble strips?
Take it as a single turn?
I don't get it... If somebody would like to give me a walkthrough of that turn I will gladly appreciate it 👍

Well, in my first stint yesterday, it was fastest for me overall to brake around the second to last marker, go straight in, turn hard, and just power on out making sure to stay inside and clip the apex of the second bit of rumble strips. On my current lap, I didn't do as well as I'd seen, I had to let off actually to stay on track. So I can see 18.3's pretty easily I think there, we'll find out when I get back to the track in my lower hp Viper in a couple hours...

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

you do know that even if you lower your hp

the viper will still be atleast a second up on any of the other cars

its just the handling of the viper that makes the difference... the backend rotates quicker

 

[KLR142]

Have you tried it? Maybe I'll try it with no hp increase, so leave that quicktune setting at 0 instead of 2 like it asks for in the original post...

 

[Lewie]

New times in the Viper:

T1: 18.117
T2: 35.292
T3: 53.698

I need to take off the driving aids and use manual tranny, but I've been racing like that for years now and it's hard to relearn.

 

[Puck927]

I agree! Actually I found that the Camaro was second fastest in my short testing time. The Ford was 3rd fastest, and the C5R was last. (final times not splits) Testing was not comprehensive I know, just interesting. Still, my time in the Viper is almost 2 seconds faster so far.

Could I ask what gearing you are leaning towards in the Ford?
I ended up at 280 in the Viper, and never tested any of the others past 310....

Also, I had a hard time maintaining speed in the Ford at the little dip and kink at the bottom of the corkscrew just before T3 . Tended to get just a bit sideways. Do you find that it is better to brake early and maintain a higher gear/throttle balance thru the kink, or late, and power out? I'm really having a problem figuring out this section. I hit it right only once every 3-4 laps.

Braking at the dip doesn't work real well in any case!

Well I haven't run the Viper yet, and might wait til the weekend. I'm gonna have to set Mr. B-Spec on the 24 hr at Sarthe to pick up another mil though.

As for the Ford, I've been running 300 for the gears, in the Chevy's I tried 290 and 280, it's a little quicker, but then I end up getting caught in between gears for some turns. So I went back to 300. That kink is hard to keep it from getting sideways. I don't know if I've been giving a quick tap on the brake to get it to turn in towards that rumble strip, or if I'm just letting off the gas momentarlily. Probably braking a little earlier than later though. Anyway, I improved on my last lap:

Ford GT:
T1 - 18.203
T2 - 35.300
T3 - 53.622

Still feel there's another half second out there, but if I'm nailing one section, I'm messing up another. If I put it all together I'm confident it can get down to the low 53's, if not 52's.

 

[Androoos]

Well I haven't run the Viper yet, and might wait til the weekend. I'm gonna have to set Mr. B-Spec on the 24 hr at Sarthe to pick up another mil though.

As for the Ford, I've been running 300 for the gears, in the Chevy's I tried 290 and 280, it's a little quicker, but then I end up getting caught in between gears for some turns. So I went back to 300. That kink is hard to keep it from getting sideways. I don't know if I've been giving a quick tap on the brake to get it to turn in towards that rumble strip, or if I'm just letting off the gas momentarlily. Probably braking a little earlier than later though. Anyway, I improved on my last lap:

Ford GT:
T1 - 18.203
T2 - 35.300
T3 - 53.622

Still feel there's another half second out there, but if I'm nailing one section, I'm messing up another. If I put it all together I'm confident it can get down to the low 53's, if not 52's.

OK Punk927...put away the toy car (a Ford, you can't be serious!) and run the real car for this week. Join Team Oreca!!!

But seriously, those are some amazing times in the Ford. Bravo!

 

[Puck927]

OK Punk927...put away the toy car (a Ford, you can't be serious!) and run the real car for this week. Join Team Oreca!!!

But seriously, those are some amazing times in the Ford. Bravo!

I HATE TEAM ORECA!
Seriously, thanks though, and I probably will later this week .

 

[Tyre King]

@ Kent

Appology accepted mate, no hard feelings!

@ Wiz,

Try watching the AMA, MotoGP or world superbike races! The lines look wierd but they are clearer to see than the car races, and are actually the optimum lines for the turns 2 and 3.

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Turn 3 is tighter than turn 2, so take them as such.

I know the pic is not very clear, but red is braking, green is accel, blue is coasting
Laters

Neil

 

[holl01]

Will give this one a go right NOW! i see the car to drive is the viper, i will post some splits tomorrow along with my week 18 replay

@Mr weary, did the changing of ur view from chase view to inside car view help?

 

[jumpputt]

@Mr weary, did the changing of ur view from chase view to inside car view help?

Has anyone ever done a "view" poll and discussion in the WRS thread? If not, it might be interesting.