Weekly Parity Series **Newcomers Wanted**

[Davis]

You did slide through half the corners...lol. I don't know how you maintained control so well with the car sideways half the time and yet you seemed to flow right along either in front, or behind or in between Cote and I. It was some pretty impressive car control I must say 👍👍 You must be a good drifter:idea:

You must have been pretty solid through the corners yourself, maintaing pace with the much more powerful NSX's. Odd thing is though, I am absolutely terrible in all of the drift trials.

Edit: After looking through Cote's pictures, I look like such an idiot spinning out on the front straight.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You must have been pretty solid through the corners yourself, maintaing pace with the much more powerful NSX's. Odd thing is though, I am absolutely terrible in all of the drift trials.

Edit: After looking through Cote's pictures, I look like such an idiot spinning out on the front straight.

The IS200 handles suprisingly well. It handles even better after the update too. I took it out to test it last night and gained significant time with it, 5-8/10ths. And you look cook spinning out...we all do it...

 

[Cote Dazur]

Monday Nov 12, Deep Forest Reverse, 1,39.000, CM

Cote Dazur / cotedazur06 / Mugen S2000 ' 00 / 415PP

Cockpit View, ABS 0, 4/1/, Gate shifter and clutch.

 

[Cote Dazur]

at the lounge until 17h30

Edit, 17h30, ready for Monday.

 

[TrackBound7]

Is the cement run off area towards the end of the track race track or out of bounds? I have raced with both rules. I don't have a strong feeling either way, but would propose we look at what GTP WRS does. I just assume call it out of bounds, using the red and white curb as the marker like the rest of the track.

 

[Davis]

I uploaded a video of last week's race, its taken from my phone, so its a little shaky. Its the end of the fourth lap and the entire fifth lap of the 3rd race, which was the best race in my opinion.

As you can see, I messed up my downshift on the final corner of lap 4, and went wide, giving Johnny & Cote a chance to catch up and pass me heading into lap five.

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Is the cement run off area towards the end of the track race track or out of bounds? I have raced with both rules. I don't have a strong feeling either way, but would propose we look at what GTP WRS does. I just assume call it out of bounds, using the red and white curb as the marker like the rest of the track.

Last week we called it out of bounds, so I think it will be the same this week.

 

[Cote Dazur]

GTP does not allow to run on the cement, it is not track. we should keep at list 2 wheels on the red and white border and definitely no passing there.

Nice video Ferrari, thank you.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Thanks for the video Ferrari. While the action was close and quite intense from a participant's standpoint, there are a couple of things I'd like to point out for new guys taking a peek at the thread or the video.

Entering the last corner at the beginning of the video you see Ferrari going wide in his blue NSX and then he goes off camera. The video is from the perspective of my car. Notice that when I'm exiting the corner I leave Ferrari room to stay on the track. In some groups and certainly in open lobbies, most guys would have just let their car drift out and if you end up using the blue NSX as a makeshift guardrail well that's their tough luck. That's not how we do things here though. You can clearly see me in the video rolling on partial throttle so I can keep the car a little to the right, as opposed to my normal full throttle exit which you can also see right near the end of the video when I have no one on the outside of me.

Around the 57 second mark the camera looks back at Cote's chrome NSX and you see he's got a run on me. He has a little better HP than me and the NSX is a better car at high speed and he has the draft. But notice he doesn't force the pass through a very tricky, narrow section of track made all the more tricky by doing 100+mph on CS tires with no ABS? The cars are a little squirrely over that rise as well. Had he maybe gotten the run in the first tunnel he may have drafted past me clean before the turn and I'm sure he would have done just that. But to me it looks like he exercised some judgement there and backed off a little so as not to endanger both our races, which up until that point were superb and also ended that way.👍

These are the subtle little things that make racing in this series so much fun The racecraft of all the drivers is very good and improving week to week

 

[Davis]

Another thing in relation to Johnny's post:

I have found that a give and take on track produces spectacular racing. The open lobbies I sometimes join, I'm usually the only one who leaves room for other people, meaning I usually end up last through the first corners, as I'm not driving recklessly for position on the very first lap like most random people online do. As Johnny pointed out, he let off, giving me room, and I tried to repay that on the first corner of lap 5 (0:34) by giving plenty room up the inside, just in case I wasn't far enough ahead to complete the pass before the bend, or if Johnny wanted to go for it up the inside line.

Then I tried to stay wide coming up along side of Cote after the first bend, so our cars didn't collide and end up with all three of us crashing and ruining a spectacular race. The give and take, and the planning that goes into passes in this series has really made me want to stay with it.

Squeezing out tenths in low-grip cars while still being consistent is a great rush, and even though the cars barely break 100mph sometimes, its still some of the trickiest and most fun racing I have ever had. At least that's my take on it.

 

[Cote Dazur]

But notice he doesn't force the pass through a very tricky, narrow section of track made all the more tricky by doing 100+mph on CS tires with no ABS? The cars are a little squirrely over that rise as well. Had he maybe gotten the run in the first tunnel he may have drafted past me clean before the turn and I'm sure he would have done just that. But to me it looks like he exercised some judgement there and backed off a little so as not to endanger both our races, which up until that point were superb and also ended that way.

As if we were racing IRL, we would not bang doors and we would wait for a real passing opportunity to make a move, I hope we keep driving without contact as it always gives better racing.
I propose that if the passing cars touch the car it his trying to pass, it should automatically fold back behind the car it is trying to pass.
With the different car set up, there will always be an other opportunity to pass, either because you have better handling or better speed. In this league, nobody has both.

PS: Posting video of the events is a brilliant idea.

 

[Johnnypenso]

As if we were racing IRL, we would not bang doors and we would wait for a real passing opportunity to make a move, I hope we keep driving without contact as it always gives better racing.
I propose that if the passing cars touch the car it his trying to pass, it should automatically fold back behind the car it is trying to pass.
With the different car set up, there will always be an other opportunity to pass, either because you have better handling or better speed. In this league, nobody has both.

PS: Posting video of the events is a brilliant idea.

We might need to incorporate that statement into our new OP, I'm not sure any one sentence has ever captured the true essence of Parity Racing like that before. Well done Cote you are now in my sig below:tup:👍

 

[Davis]

I'm going to be in the lounge for the next little while, maybe 30 minutes or so if anyone feels like joining me.

Edit: I went to lunch instead, so disregard that.

 

[Cote Dazur]

I'm going to be in the lounge for the next little while, maybe 30 minutes or so if anyone feels like joining me.

Edit: I went to lunch instead, so disregard that.

To Bad, I am there now.

 

[TrackBound7]

I do like the sentence JP highlighted.

Not sure I care for the contact resulting in forfeiting the position. I am all for clean racing and do everything I can to avoid contact...but it is racing and it does happen. Every form of racing I have seen has some contact here and there throughout. Granted some series are worse than others. If the contact isn't what allowed for the pass (like the famous NASCAR chrome horn, bump and run, or a dive bomb where all 8 tires were need to make the pass), then I am okay with it. I have been in numerous situations where myself and the other driver are going in or coming out of a turn and we both make a slight move that leads to rubbing doors, but no harm was done. I have never felt the need to discuss contact with this group, always seems to be the general rule of thumb.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think the GTP OLR's are more than adequate in relation to contact and sometimes it's unavoidable. If you are making a legal pass and can't hold your line and by easing out or otherwise making contact you affect the other car and cause them to lose position, you give it back, and we've been pretty good in that regard from the beginning. If you are making an illegal pass on the other hand, you're in the wrong series Open lobby is this way..>>>>>

My fishing trip is postponed. Water is too high and clear and the fish aren't in the river at the moment, still out in the lake. Still going away tomorrow but I'll be back Monday so I'll be able to race unless something changes.

 

[Cote Dazur]

I do like the sentence JP highlighted.

Not sure I care for the contact resulting in forfeiting the position. I am all for clean racing and do everything I can to avoid contact...but it is racing and it does happen. Every form of racing I have seen has some contact here and there throughout. Granted some series are worse than others. If the contact isn't what allowed for the pass (like the famous NASCAR chrome horn, bump and run, or a dive bomb where all 8 tires were need to make the pass), then I am okay with it. I have been in numerous situations where myself and the other driver are going in or coming out of a turn and we both make a slight move that leads to rubbing doors, but no harm was done. I have never felt the need to discuss contact with this group, always seems to be the general rule of thumb.

Contact should be avoided, and if some one takes a chance and there is contact, it happens, then they should lift off the accelerator and try again. How can it be perceived as a clean pass if it needs to have contact to happen. In my experience it has happened to often and we will better of with less in the future. After all the main goal is interesting racing not pass even if it means contact.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Contact should be avoided, and if some one takes a chance and there is contact, it happens, then they should lift off the accelerator and try again. How can it be perceived as a clean pass if it needs to have contact to happen. In my experience it has happened to often and we will better of with less in the future. After all the main goal is interesting racing not pass even if it means contact.

I agree with you in theory Cote but the problem is that this is GT5 and it's imperfect to say the least. There are so many grey areas. One can make contact and not even know it. If you go to block the inside line in a corner and I swing outside and we make minor contact in the corner and no one seems to be affected, who should back off? Should anyone back off?

That's why the GTP OLR's are the best comprimise I think. Don't divebomb, make sure you have overlap before the turn in point, and if you do all of that but can't hold your line while passing someone and they are negatively affected then you should allow them to regain their position, whether it's a few feet or substantial time because they ended up in the grass.

 

[TrackBound7]

TrackBound7 / TrackBound7 / Honda Integra Type R '04 / 375pp

 

[Cote Dazur]

I agree with you in theory Cote but the problem is that this is GT5 and it's imperfect to say the least. There are so many grey areas.
That's why the GTP OLR's are the best comprimise I think. Don't divebomb, make sure you have overlap before the turn in point, and if you do all of that but can't hold your line while passing someone and they are negatively affected then you should allow them to regain their position, whether it's a few feet or substantial time because they ended up in the grass.

I agree with you Johnny, GT5 is imperfect and so are we, no one in this league is dive bombing or doing thing that are offensive to other driver, I also believe the contacts are non intentional, what I am irritated with contacts is that they might be considered normal and there fore as we do not pay attention to much, they will become more frequent.
I strongly beleive we will have even better racing if we are more patient, plan passes better and try to avoid all contact.
Also the core of the group is strong, but as newcomer get engage, we cannot expect them to be clean, if we do not lead with a good example.

 

[Naptown25rs]

Have to work on Monday guys, so no racing for me this week...

 

[Cote Dazur]

Have to work on Monday guys, so no racing for me this week...

Sorry to read that, in my case the only day I can race next week is Monday, and the following week it is Thursday.
On that subject, is there a way to have some type of a calendar where we would put our availiblity, to the best of our knowledge, so we may have the opportunity to race more often.💡

 

[Davis]

Ferraridude308 /Suzuki Cappuccino RM / 452PP / 1:39.147

Yes, I did just spend 200,000Cr on a small, loud, hairdryer-sounding mini-car. Yes, the PP is really high, its because it's only 590kg. I didn't care so much about PP this week, I just wanted a funny looking car to drive. The reason the time isn't closer to 1:39.00 is because I have a feeling once this car gets a draft, it'll be rather quick, and I wanted to minimize going under time. Currently I'm braking late, and almost always have my foot jammed down, but it only has 115hp, so it really doesn't do anything but make a lot of noise.

 

[Cote Dazur]

Nice avatar Ferrari. :-)

Also cool you are in the news about your finding of the picture of the special stripes Adventador.

 

[Izzyracer97]

this sounds kewl mind if I join in on my spare time

 

[Johnnypenso]

this sounds kewl mind if I join in on my spare time

Anytime Izzy, glad to have you. Find yourself a car and tune it at least with the engine limiter and anything else you want so you are hitting the target time above on CM tires at Deep Forest. Get an FR into Mike as soon as possible too.

 

[Izzyracer97]

Anytime Izzy, glad to have you. Find yourself a car and tune it at least with the engine limiter and anything else you want so you are hitting the target time above on CM tires at Deep Forest. Get an FR into Mike as soon as possible too.

ok I go by no_bull_racin97 on PSN 👍

 

[Cote Dazur]

So for tonight, so far, we have:
Ferrari
JP
Track
Cote

Should be good.

 

[Izzyracer97]

I assume the target time is no higher than 1:39 right?

 

[Cote Dazur]

I assume the target time is no higher than 1:39 right?

Good assumption, in a perfect world you should be racing in a car equiped with Comfort Medium Tyres that allows you to lap very close to 1'39.000 but never faster. As everyone is lapping at about the same pace, no one goes away or is left behind, and we are passing each other the whole race. 👍
Choosing a car that allows you to be consistent is a good idea, as driving around people that are all over the track does not lead to great racing.

 

[Davis]

I assume the target time is no higher than 1:39 right?

No lower than 1:39. 👍 Although, most people usually go faster than the target during the course of the race. So it's best to find a car that can barely make the target, rather than easily hit it every time. That being said, a consistent car is better than a car you struggle with on race day. I learned that the hard way...

Edit: Tree'd, thanks Cote.