What do you expect from GT5 in terms of weather

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What do you want from GT5 in terms of weather?


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I was wondering about changes in seasons, since GT4 had a day count why not have changes in seasons during the GT year. It would be interesting to see some tracks during winter time, and just help create that bit of variety. The only thing is Autumn Ring, would you have to call it Seasonal Ring!?:dunce:

In all seriousness do you think its a good idea, or not worth the effort?

If I understood you correctly you want real seasons?

Maybe its just me, but with that kind of season change you would run into some problems.
You would only be able to drive on specific circuits of some countries during winter time. As example I want to drive the Nürburgring, but its closed for (lets say its a strong winter) 100 days. Instead of the ring I can only drive at Suzuka or Tsukuba because its nice and sunny over there. You wont be able to drive all circuits you want during a year, and that would be kinda frustrating. You would have to do a LOT of races ro run at the Ring again! :scared:

Sure, PD could make a year much shorter, but that would kill the realism which is the point of having seasons.

But a autumn version of the Nordschleife with colorful trees and leaves at the tarmac would be extremely beautiful!:dopey:

A very good condensed list summed up well +rep
Thank you!:dopey:
 
I have not made my mind up on whether it would be a worthwhile feature, On the one hand it would add realism and variety as well as being a cool feature in general, but having 4 seasons would mean the programmer would have to edit each version, which shouldn't take much longer than creating a track from scratch however with 50 tracks + that does mean much more work, which could be spent on more useful features.
 
well ill be satisfied with set times of day like in motorstorm. a rain track would be cool to, like the wet tracks in gt4. But its hard to expect what is coming when there is no info on gt5
 
Wet tracks like the one found in GT4 have already been done, so we need something better than that.

Like most people here, I want dynamic weather...The 4 season might be a bit much, even though it would be pretty cool.
 
Wet tracks like the one found in GT4 have already been done, so we need something better than that.

Like most people here, I want dynamic weather...The 4 season might be a bit much, even though it would be pretty cool.

Yeh i would have to agree, different seasons would be to much, I would also agree that dynamic weather systems should be in place for all tracks unless that is fundamentally far too difficult, I see no reason why they should avoid the issue, with the rainy Tsukuba track in GT4 i think that shows there intentions, so i find it unlikely that they will avoid the issue of weather in GT5, which is good news:tup:

Also i would like to hear peoples thoughts on heat hazes, do you think its to difficult, or do you think it would be worth the hassle of including in the game. Personally I would love to see them in the game
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or even the occasional mirage as seem in the background
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What do you think?
 
hmmmmm......I like the idea of variable weather but the idea of ice and snow is ridiculous (for circuit racing anyway).

Real Motorsport events are cancelled in snow conditions and if there is any ice, no racing will happen until the track's been gritted and the ice has turned to water. In Scotland, the racing season can't run between November and February due to the snow risk and it's the same in many other parts of the world.

What would be good in GT5 would be a winter series championship where say the chances of rain is higher and if it is dry, there will be next to no rubber on the track and the tyres take longer to warm up.
 
Yeh I think the general consensus is that snow racing is taking the weather a little too far, it was only there to get people thinking what they want from weather and to what extent.

I would like to see spectators with umbrellas in rainy races, just for a bit of realism. It might help bring some some colour to the pathetically dull lifeless grand stands of Gran Turismo.

On a side note, how come many of the new members choose 787B as their avatars? just curious.
 
I'd support live (on that track, at that moment in time) But with "Weather Severity Limits." Basically, this means, it never rains hard enough, snows hard enough, Has a Tornado, anything that would cause damage to life and property, that I couldn't race. If they'd red-Flag a Real race, that would be going beyond the limit. Ovals would never have rain (no rain tire in the world good enough at those speeds) and certian tracks would only have snow if you had the right tires, or a car that could use them.

Also, I'd like to select my own weather when I want to. You know, so I can get a break from winter. Or summer, for that matter.
 
I agree that you should be able to select your own weather but only in Arcade mode, and like you said, to extreme rain will just be far to dangerous in real racing, aquaplaining becomes a serious problem, check the link I posted at the top of the page, that is a good demonstration why serious rain can make tracks undrivable.
 
I think seasonal weather would be essential in a Career Mode setting, and I'd really like to see that sort of thing.

With GT and Arcade Modes, weather options would be as essential as damage options, for variability and severity of changes in races.
 
It's all whell and good to have weather but what about wet weather tyres?
There is no point of rain if you don't have the right tyres.
 
Well of course, would you expect rain and no wet weather tires, the only reason we didn't see them in GT4 is because there was only Tsukuba, so it wouldn't be worth it. I really wouldn't worry yourself about it.
 
bjb
It's all whell and good to have weather but what about wet weather tyres?
There is no point of rain if you don't have the right tyres.

Real men use slicks, no matter what the weather ;)
 
:lol:

And that's why Michelle Mouton won the WRC, some 20 years ago: she was a woman, and wasn't ashamed of using dirt, snow, mud and rain tyres :lol:
 
Anyone here got their hands on F1 Championship Edition? I think this game sets the benchmark for PD. Talk about realism...If GT5 can equal the dynamic wx system of F1, I would be extremely happy!!! :)

And in case you guys don't know, the PS3 seems to handle dynamic weather, 22 cars, damage & incredible graphics just fine...This game shows that what we've been asking (dynamic wx, bigger grids, damage & perhaps day/night transtions) are quite possible. Polyphony Digital has no excuse!!
 
Real men use slicks, no matter what the weather ;)

NO only mad men use slicks in the wet. What I ment was are we going to have to buy wet tyres or do they come in a package with RM. But think about this for a second this sovels some of the things people hate or don't like gt4 about, it'll make pitstops play more of a part in races, it'll make races closer and harder to win and some people will have to change thier setups, plus it makes the game a great deal more fun.
Oh and I don't want to be the guy who gets stuck half way on the ring with slicks when the rain starts to fall.:crazy:
 
So it seems changing weather is a real possability, from the publishings of the French magazine. Hopefully many of the features discussed in this thread are going to be included.

heres to hoping:cheers:
 
Well it hasent been specificly (sp) mentioned yet, but I would love to see the same system in GP4 implemented into GT5. In gp4, the track dried out, but not all over. The racing line starts to dry, then after a few more laps you can see 2 lines that are clearly dry, then a whole section (racing line) that is dry. Best part being that you can go offline and the car will kick up a water spray again, as the sides of the tracks (complete with puddles) is actually still considered wet.

On that note, and I realise that this is'nt weather, but I would also like to see a darkening racing line/dirty side appear over time with all the braking, lock0ups etc.

P.S, yup the wet weather in F1CE is pretty good, i've only had a shot of the demo, but it certainly does blank out most of the screen.
 
This may sound a little far fetched, but It's a thought I've had for a while. I'd love it if there were a feature where you could localise your game via the net, and allow an option on selected tracks where the weather would be dynamic according to the forecast in your locale.

Like I said though, seems a little far fetched, but just sharing my thoughts :)
 
This may sound a little far fetched, but It's a thought I've had for a while. I'd love it if there were a feature where you could localise your game via the net, and allow an option on selected tracks where the weather would be dynamic according to the forecast in your locale.

Like I said though, seems a little far fetched, but just sharing my thoughts :)
Well i have heard you can already do that on the Nintendo Wii, so surely the PS3 can do it. Personally i wouldn't be to interested in it unless it was very accurate and an arcade mode feature, then i would say it would be a great addition.

Can anybody confirm that it is possible on the Nintendo Wii?
 
Here's something, I read somewhere that Project Gotham 4 will have weather system with rain storms and snow (when it's possible). Weather is becoming the norm for racing games so I don't think that PD will leave out something so big. If they did it would hurt them so I think that weather is going to be in GT5, but to what level I don't know hopefully is in all the races.
 
Well i have heard you can already do that on the Nintendo Wii, so surely the PS3 can do it. Personally i wouldn't be to interested in it unless it was very accurate and an arcade mode feature, then i would say it would be a great addition.

Can anybody confirm that it is possible on the Nintendo Wii?
So far only Madden '07 claims to do this. I own the game but it is hard to judge the accuracy because the Forecast Channel usually runs about 3-6 hours behind. So, it may be accurate to the Forecast Channel, but it won't necessarily be accurate based on what is happening outside your window.

Add that to the fact that my home team is not in Frankfort, KY and it is practically a non-issue.

But yes, it does supposedly do this. But it uses weather software already built into the Wii. Any game that did this on the PS3 would have to have its own weather reading system set up, which may be a bit much to do for a single game. It would be a bigger pay off for someone like EA who could have the one system run for all its sports games.

The only way I could see this being feasible for PD would be a deal with the Weather Channel or something.
 
Key word, software, software can be installed into the PS3's HDD with little fuss. That said I'm not all bothered about having a system that uses the weather as it is outside, it's a bit gimmicky to me, jut have the different weather conditions available and make an in game forcast so you can't save and reload to get around a rainy race mid season.
 
I noticed in a video posted in the GT5 news thread, the the video was at suzuka circuit but it was clearly evening while all the other videos we have seen thus far have been mid afternoon, does this suggest that in race lighting may change, its unclear yet, but the fact that we have seen to different times of day at the same track suggests that PD have at least given it thought. If this is the case, then perhaps we could even hope that they are giving day/night transitions a good deal of consideration.

Your thoughts...
 
Could you post the link to that video? Can't recall seeing that one...
 
Sure. I welcome weather. The basics of weather are temperature and wind. Some of the more advanced content would be your rain, snow, and fog. Extremes would be standing water and mud. How PD wishes to implement this is up to them. Let me revisit some games with weather effects...



--- Weather Effects in Some Games ---

Le Mans 24 Hours - You have to race the different championships to really sense changes in weather. I usually put on Intermediate Tires in the later championships because like Houston in the Summer- a chance of rain almost every day. The rain drops weren't glorious, but you really sensed the drops of rain on the track. Every rain storm seemed like a monsoon. And if it rains, you don't really see much difference in the skies when it's night.

Pro Race Driver and the ToCA Race Driver Series This Codemasters series of games have had some... somewhat okay rain. Pro Race Driver is a game I absolutely hated for its AI. Its rain effects were completely unimpressive. ToCA RD 2 had better rain fall. The skies looked pretty nice, and you could actually notice rain falling on the cars and the road. There were still 20 cars to a track in these conditions for those whose max car count is 20 cars. ToCA RD 3 was very nice. I stated that the rain fall in that game was like stars falling from the sky. Real beautiful effect. None of the rain fell on the track or cars for what I know.

Enthusia Professional Racing - Enthusia had a few wet events. I consider Marco Strada's wet night race (I'd want to race it on a dry night) as one of the most beautiful lighting examples of almost any game out there. Race Marco Strada's night race in the rain. You begin to take notice of how everything sparkles beautifully from that ship and from some of the street lights. It is an absolutely beautiful effect. Enthusia has something GT4 and Forza 1 didn't- a wet race with a full grid on the track. Tsukuba had this lined up for you. Counting direction and time of day, you could race four tracks with a full grid of cars... all at Tsukuba. There was also Wintertraum that shown off racing in the snow. And if you thought the cars handled like they are on ice, try racing this track. Case closed.

GTR - I tried Monsoon Rain in some GTR races... and the cars were absolutely tough to keep on the track. I even ran Spa-Francorchamps in the nighttime, and in addition to not being able to keep the car on the track, I couldn't see a damn thing! This would be absolutely unfair to race if monsoon rains were in GT5.


--- Rain ---
RacingFreak2k3 mentioned how the rain from PGR4 looked. I love Gran Turismo, but I have great respect for the Project Gotham Racing series. The rain effects were absolutely amazing. You saw rain pick up on the cars. You could say that while GT5's motto is "The New Standard," PGR4's become the new standard for rain graphics. Could you imagine racing Le Mans (not necessarily the endurance) in your Nissan R92CP with pounding rains? Poetry in motion. I stressed this in other posts... PD will need to incorporate rain tires as well as study how cars handle in wet conditions. That means driving certain sections of tracks. It rained at Burke Lakefront Airport for a Champ Car race once. The Cleveland, OH airport track has some painted parts of the runway which actually become slick with a lot of rain. If done right, street courses would be a nightmare. Even more so with open-wheel or completely fragile cars. A way around it would be if GT5 featured a track that was soaked with rain. We know we had this before, but imagine a track drying out. You'd have to find a dry line to follow as the track dries out. As much as I am not a fanatic of the Nürburgring Nordschleife, I appreciate all the racers who take on the challenge of that track even in the pouring rain. I'm very okay with drizzle. You'd need your intermediate or light rain tires to handle effectively.

--- Snow ---
Let's imagine that a lot of snow falls at Chamonix or it snows atop (granted we get this track) Pikes Peak. I would be game enough to race in a proper rallycross event in the mold of the Andros Ice Racing series. Just bring back the Opel Tigra Ice Race Car and all will be fine with me. ^_^ Then again, I'd be interested in a rally section in Sweden like in the WRC. I even imagine if the Swiss Alps had snow falling. A dream track in the snow would be a track at sunset covered in snow as skies clear out. Some snow flurries would be a nice start. Anything like a snowstorm or [especially] a blizzard would have to include intense snow. Let's say in a weird scenario that PD includes races in the Pacific Northwest (other than Seattle). Or let's say Seattle gets a snowstorm for a race. Maybe imagine if PD includes Alaskan locales such as Juneau, Anchorage, or if they are brave- a rally race in Barrow, AK (northernmost settlement in America) or its neighbor, Point Barrow, Alaska (northernmost point in America). There would have to be great amounts of snow.


--- Other Features ---
Most features that I wanted to bring up was part of my environmental studio < https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=87712 >. These other weather features would include fog, dust storms, hail, freezing rain (Houston had plenty earlier this year. Even freezing rain on my birthday!), sleet, and that sort of thing. The game calendar would have to be realistic in terms of climate. You wouldn't expect a 100 degree Farenheit day in Seattle or Reykjavik, Iceland in late December, would you? Or would you expect -30 degrees Farenheit with snowfall in Miami... in June? Any precipitation on ovals usually would mean that races wouldn't take place. Think of racing ovals like trying to race the short courses in the daytime in "Tokyo Xtreme Racer Drift 2"- you can't race those events if there's anything other than daytime and clear conditions.


All in all, I'd welcome weather. I just realized this was an expectation thread. And as usual, I don't believe in expectations. Just let PD do the best they can in providing weather effects.
 
Well i have heard you can already do that on the Nintendo Wii, so surely the PS3 can do it. Personally i wouldn't be to interested in it unless it was very accurate and an arcade mode feature, then i would say it would be a great addition.

Can anybody confirm that it is possible on the Nintendo Wii?

should be possible on anything with net access, my firefox has a pretty accurate weather add-on at the moment i wouldn't have thought it would have been too intensive to use something similar to have an effect on a game. real time day/night transitions. weather may be trickier due to its not entirely predictable patterns, but a good guess would be nice.

would be great immersion if the track goes through a sunset and into darkness just like it is outside your window. although i think i few close to the poles and around the equator may get a little sick of the constant light level ;-)
 
Well what can I say John, that was one great post, one of many. It doesn't matter that this is an expectation thread, i really want to hear what people want and hear some original idea's and personal opinions, in earlier posts I have stated that I would like to see heat hazes and mirages, we have see both in the type-B movie, and now I see different times of day are now being shown, I can see that PD are really trying to involve different conditions, we have yet to see rain or night time tracks yet I am hoping that such things are being considered too.

[edit] Apparently I i have to spread the reputation around.
 
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