What do you think of Honda?

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Originally posted by streetdictator780
Also I do think though if you live in America you should drive American cars.

you, sir, are a ****ing idiot. Ever heard of the freedom of thought? you're one of those retards that think it's cool to see the Middle East getting bombed, no matter if the people living there are innocent or not.

and why exactly do we have a thread on a single manufacturer? I'm sick of this pseudo automotive section full of bashing and worthless crap. 95% of the people here have never driven a car, yet everyone thinks they know everything. from "what are you driving" to "what do you think of X manufacturer" it's all Bull****.

can't we have any serious discussions? can't we ****ing bring some thoughts here? have technical talks, not just only some retarded crap like we have here everyday? driving impressions and the like?
 
Wait your say that you should freedom of thought but you tell me that I can't think who live in America should drive American car. THats just what I think. You don't have to believe it of go along with it, or even read it. If you hate this thread so much don't post in it and don't read it.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
Wait your say that you should freedom of thought but you tell me that I can't think who live in America should drive American car. THats just what I think. You don't have to believe it of go along with it, or even read it. If you hate this thread so much don't post in it and don't read it.

you're just stupid. you're too young and unintelligent to understand what i'm trying to say. I think it's pointless to argue with you, you're too stupid.
 
They call it an opinion for a reason. Its your thougts. That is what is great about America you can have your own opinion. But really I'm right on this one, you say I can't say that if you live in America you should drive American cars but then you say you should have the freedom to say whateve you want. That doesn't seem right to me.
 
He means that people have the freedom to choose what car they want to drive. He also never said that you have no right to say what you want to say. You, on the other hand, say that Americans should drive American cars. Well, let me enlighten you - Chevy and Ford make their cars in Mexico and Canada, and Chrysler's a German company.

Meanwhile (and check out these brand new statistics I've read today in a British magazine), Honda, Toyota, and Nissan run 17 plants in North America, with more to come. Toyota produces 1.4 million examples of nine different products here each year, and employs a staggering 32,000 Americans. Additionally, it spreads $19bn to its in-house supplier base, meaning $19bn for the economy. Now, Chevy, as an example, has switched Tahoe and Suburban production mainly to Mexico where the workers are paid $2 (or less) per hour.

I don't want to get into a debate over which is better - I love cars from all over the world (and have owned cars from four countries of the six or seven that supply to the United States) but the plain fact is that generalizing over which cars are better is stupid. Every country that builds vehicles has a share of nice vehicles and a share of not-so-nice vehicles. Saying that all American people should buy American cars does two things - it brings up a nationalism not seen since Nazi Germany, and it leaves American people wihout a basic freedom (freedom of expression).

Just because last week you finally sold off your Japanese car doesn't mean that this week it's time to turn around and bash it. Mature a bit, will you?
 
Originally posted by PunkRock


you're just stupid. you're too young and unintelligent to understand what i'm trying to say. I think it's pointless to argue with you, you're too stupid.

:lol:

That's funny.
 
But still the money from the Japanese car companies goes back to Japan, well a lot of it does not all of it I assume some goes to the USA. Still I just think that American cars are the way to go. Thats just the way I think now. I rather have a American made car in my driveway now. You can drive what ever the hell you want to drive I can't stop you from buying a Honda or Toyota. Its your money so you can blow it on what ever you want to blow it on.

There thats more mature I do believe. Now if I start acting more mature I would like to ask the same of some of you.
 
And since I almost Canadian I wouldn't mind driving a car or truck made in Canada
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
And since I almost Canadian I wouldn't mind driving a car or truck made in Canada

i might as well end myself...



or maybe i should become Mexican?

I rather have a American made car in my driveway now

Mmm... out of the whole Honda/Acura lineup, only the NSX and the S2000 are still built in Japan. all the other cars are made in North America, with the exception of the Civic Si, which is built in the UK. and Honda will distribute V6s to General Motors for the Saturn ION. so you shouldn't buy a Saturn, then? the Chevy Cavalier was sold as a Toyota Cavalier in Japan for a while, and a Ford Ranger is the same thing as a Mazda B4000.

**** the carmaker's origin, it doesn't mean jack**** anymore

hell there's probably more Japanese stuff in your Mustang than in a current Civic.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
But still the money from the Japanese car companies goes back to Japan, well a lot of it does not all of it I assume some goes to the USA.


Most (all for some companies) US sales money goes to the North American division of whatever company it is, to be distributed to the North American parts divisions, factory workers, etc.

Still I just think that American cars are the way to go. Thats just the way I think now. I rather have a American made car in my driveway now. You can drive what ever the hell you want to drive I can't stop you from buying a Honda or Toyota. Its your money so you can blow it on what ever you want to blow it on.


But what's your reasoning for American cars? Just nationalism?

Originally posted by PunkRock
Mmm... out of the whole Honda/Acura lineup, only the NSX and the S2000 are still built in Japan. all the other cars are made in North America, with the exception of the Civic Si, which is built in the UK.


I knew this was true except for the Insight - it's really built here?


hell there's probably more Japanese stuff in your Mustang than in a current Civic.


Probably not, but only because his Mustang's an older one.

PS - I saw an Ion today. It's fairly sharp.
 
I know a lot of American car companies are in partnership with Japanese companies. Hell GM owns Isuzu and everything. I know that a lot of Japanese stuff ends up on American cars.

I know at least that my stang was built in Detriot at the River Rouge Plant. And the only Japanese thing I know for sure in it is the speakers because I put Sony speakers in there, not Xplodes just regular car speakers. I'm sure there is more in it I just don't know for sure so I'm not going to say there is.
 
Originally posted by M5Power


I knew this was true except for the Insight - it's really built here?


uhh... i had totally forgotten about the Insight... :lol: it's built alongside the NSX and the S2000. then again, i'm not the only one who forgot about it, it seems.
 
Ya pretty much. The reason I want to buy em is because I like the way the look and they are a lot cheaper to fix if they break down.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
God the Insight :yuck: What was Honda thinking.

obviously you still haven't figured out what hybrids are... It was built to find a solution for the ever decreasing petrol reserves, combining electricity and gasoline to power the car. The idea is good, the car they chose isn't exactly perfect. which is why Honda turned themselves to the more potent Civic platform for their second hybrid, and are killing the Insight soon. the Insight was too small and was too highly priced. What you got, though, was a car that was nonpolluting and economical, and in some states a tax refund. Interesting, right?

the Civic can carry 4 people, and get about the same mpg autonomy (granted it's a bit heavier and bigger, so you lose some, but the Insight weighted 1700lbs!) It's not fast, but you get a CVT transmission, and a whole lot of nice features like that. the whole hybrid thingie is basically a test for future technologies.


at least the Insight, even if not pretty good looking, and a bit slow, was better than Toyota's Prius, which was utter crap.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
Ya pretty much. The reason I want to buy em is because I like the way the look and they are a lot cheaper to fix if they break down.

Well, then, why not buy a car that doesn't break down at all, and can go fast? There's many alternatives. Restricting me to American cars means I'd have an Envoy and a Mountaineer, or maybe a Windstar Sport.

We all have different tastes.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock


obviously you still haven't figured out what hybrids are... It was built to find a solution for the ever decreasing petrol reserves, combining electricity and gasoline to power the car. The idea is good, the car they chose isn't exactly perfect. which is why Honda turned themselves to the more potent Civic platform for their second hybrid, and are killing the Insight soon. the Insight was too small and was too highly priced. What you got, though, was a car that was nonpolluting and economical, and in some states a tax refund. Interesting, right?


We are not running out of gas! :D

By the way - the US tax refund is now federal, and regulated by the IRS. I assume you get some sort of break in Canada, too. Maybe not.


at least the Insight, even if not pretty good looking, and a bit slow, was better than Toyota's Prius, which was utter crap.

Totally agree - as much as an outspoken critic of Honda I am, the Insight was a million times better than the Prius based on the simple fact that for $2k less than a Prius, I could have a Jetta TDi wagon which gets equal miles per gallon and is loaded with standard features that the Prius doesn't have. Plus, diesel is cheaper than petrol.
 
Well if I wanted a car that didn't break down I would buy a Ford.

As for the hybrids I really don't like them. I mean I know why they were made and all but still I can buy a gas powered compact that gets good MPG. Like our PT Crusier gets about 25 mpg and thats not that bad.

And I never said you have to buy American cars, I just said you should if you live in America. But its up to you, like I said its your money
 
Originally posted by M5Power


We are not running out of gas! :D

By the way - the US tax refund is now federal, and regulated by the IRS. I assume you get some sort of break in Canada, too. Maybe not.


i think it depends on the province. there's no such thing up here in Qc, that's for sure.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
Well if I wanted a car that didn't break down I would buy a Ford.


:lol: - I dunno, man. I visited my brother in 1996 right after he bought an Explorer Sport new in Boston, and nothing fit right - in the week I was at his house, the rear cargo hinges broke and the rear door keyhole broke. And the battery went dead, but that's only because he locked his keys in the ignition with the motor running. :rolleyes:


And I never said you have to buy American cars, I just said you should if you live in America. But its up to you, like I said its your money
But you said they should. Pound for pound, the best car for sale in this country is probably not American, or even Japanese. Honestly, Americans should be buying what's best for them rather than worrying about singlehandedly supporting the economy.
 
So your opinion is that all Americans should work for the economy rather than for themselves?

A selfless nation! Sounds a bit like SOCALISM, you SOCALIST! :P
 
Originally posted by M5Power
You know, Hooligan - you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.

Excepting Alice, of course.

Of course. :D Heard that song recently (all 20 minutes) and realized just how relevant that song still is.

Back on topic: What does "pass'll" mean?
 
Originally posted by M5Power
PS - I saw an Ion today. It's fairly sharp.

Out of all this arguing comes a comment from left field that I just couldn't pass up: You like the Ion? That thing's hideous! The tail end is angled too far forward; and it's lumpy as all hell. That slash along the side looks like an accident. The arc along the edge of the roof looks like spray paint. Four-spoke wheels suck. Flat out, they suck. The front is typical, bland-a$$ Saturn with a dent in the hood. And the interior is more Fisher-Price than the Ford Focus.

I just couldn't let that go, man. :P ;)
 
Originally posted by Hooligan


Of course. :D Heard that song recently (all 20 minutes) and realized just how relevant that song still is.


Yeah - it is relevant and will be as long as this country continues to operate the way it does. Still, I always get a good chuckle out of various parts of the song.

Back on topic: What does "pass'll" mean?

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Out of all this arguing comes a comment from left field that I just couldn't pass up: You like the Ion? That thing's hideous! The tail end is angled too far forward; and it's lumpy as all hell. That slash along the side looks like an accident. The arc along the edge of the roof looks like spray paint. Four-spoke wheels suck. Flat out, they suck. The front is typical, bland-a$$ Saturn with a dent in the hood. And the interior is more Fisher-Price than the Ford Focus.

I just couldn't let that go, man. :P ;)

Before you go off on the design of the car, be warned: I saw three Z4's today and I realised that the only problem I have with the Z4's styling is the short trunk; otherwise I think it's great-looking...

...I saw the Ion from a distance and I was surrounded by several Grand Cherokees that are so popular in big cities in the midwest, so I didn't get a great view, but it was enough. The car's only problems are the four-spoke wheels and the panel on the back part of the rear door cutting off the rear side window. Other than that, the car looks fairly adequate to compete - it looks better than the current Echo and Accent, and its design is on par with that sporty Corolla with the ugly body panels that look bolted on and the Cavalier. Honestly, the styling isn't that bad, though Saturn is going to lose sales due to the, err, 'forwardness' of it all.

Not surprisingly, I'm sure, interior materials are cheap.
 
looks like i offended little mr streetracer780's 'american pride'
you sir,OBVIOUSLY,haven't done your fair share of wrenching on american(garbage)vehicles.
as IGNORANT as your opinion sounds,my response is NO,i am not now nor have i ever been a terrorist.
how many exhaust systems,clutches,trannies,engines,differentials,cylinder heads,suspensions have you done?SPECIALLY on fords?hmmm?
i can see you're a typical testosterone-overloaded teenage boy.
you need to grow up.
 
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