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10 grand in Euros or Pounds?
What Do You Want from a €10,000 Car?
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Sorry I meant pounds however it can be euros so I'm richer.
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€10,000 is £8,000 so you'd be poorer.
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I'll get looking for an £8,000 used car Found one! And another
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It's always more fun if your legs aren't crushed in the footwell.
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Theres this thing called crash testing.
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Small cars have always caused more bodily damage than larger cars.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-struggle-in-latest-round-of-iihs-crash-tests
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I'm buying a classic car for my first car.
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Nice, what sort? My first at 17 was a '78 Triumph TR7
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Morris minor.
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Joel
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I think @YSSMAN and @Beeblebrox237 summed it up, what you can reasonably expect is 3-5 doors, 5 seats, a ~100hp 4 cylinder, good fuel economy, power locks and windows, a center console, ABS, and a USB/AUX port. I'd probably add A/C to the list as something to be reasonably expected. Beyond that you're into stuff that would be nice but probably isn't realistic.
Almost every discussion about new cars goes the same way. Someone thinks they're clever for saying you can get a better used car for *price point* that will be more fun, as if anyone cross shops a 13k new hatchback with used sports cars.
It's almost like we're a very small group of car buyers who want performance capabilities that aren't relevant to a discussion of a new car for $13k. It reminds me of how every time a new Macbook comes out the PC Gaming master race people go on about how much better their custom built desktops are.
Some shocking realities here:
Almost every discussion about new cars goes the same way. Someone thinks they're clever for saying you can get a better used car for *price point* that will be more fun, as if anyone cross shops a 13k new hatchback with used sports cars.
It's almost like we're a very small group of car buyers who want performance capabilities that aren't relevant to a discussion of a new car for $13k. It reminds me of how every time a new Macbook comes out the PC Gaming master race people go on about how much better their custom built desktops are.
Some shocking realities here:
- Some people don't care how fast or fun their car is.
- Some people would rather have the peace of mind of a warranty.
- Some people would rather have the equipment on a new car.
- Some people would rather have an efficient hatchback than a sports car.
- Some people don't know how to maintain or fix the issues inherent to older cars.
- Some people just want a new car.
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Cool. This presupposes that you care about driving a performance car, don't want a warranty, are able to do your own work on the car, and don't want new equipment.
Once again, it's relevant to a very small group of buyers and has no relevance to mass market economy cars. Nobody actually cross shops a VW Up! with an M5. It's ridiculous. If it was actually about saving money you would be talking about buying an economy car from a few years ago, not a 10 year old sports car.
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I know. However instead of buying a new up just buy a second hand up because depreciation is cool.
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Do you buy new clothes?
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Yes. Because clothes are clothes. However, cars are something more than an appliance to me and new cars are becoming more and more suited to getting from a to b. Why would I spend 8 grand for a basic transport device when I could spend the same money and get something entirely more rewarding.
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Why would anyone ever go to a restaurant? You'd be better off taking that money to go to cooking classes and then making your own food.
There's people who are passionate about fashion who would shop around and find clothes they like and scour through used clothing stores to find something interesting. They consider clothes as something more important than just protection from the weather/preventing indecent exposure charges, it's a core part of their identity and how they express themselves. You just buy new clothes because you don't care and can't be bothered.
It's the same thing with cars, we're all car guys who think of cars as something special to be enjoyed, and others just buy a new Toyota because it's reliable and affordable. There's people out there who would shop for clothes for days, but buy a new car with little thought because "cars are cars" and they just need point A to B.
There's people who are passionate about fashion who would shop around and find clothes they like and scour through used clothing stores to find something interesting. They consider clothes as something more important than just protection from the weather/preventing indecent exposure charges, it's a core part of their identity and how they express themselves. You just buy new clothes because you don't care and can't be bothered.
It's the same thing with cars, we're all car guys who think of cars as something special to be enjoyed, and others just buy a new Toyota because it's reliable and affordable. There's people out there who would shop for clothes for days, but buy a new car with little thought because "cars are cars" and they just need point A to B.
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Now you're being silly.
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That's one awful article.
I prefer buying new cars because it will be in perfect condition 99% of the time since you know that you aren't buying something that was abused, and you get a really nice warrenty on top of it!
Most car enthusiasts don't like to admit it, but used cars cost much more to maintain and keep on the road than a brand new car.
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I think some of you are completely missing the point of this thread. I think most of us will agree that buying a used car for $13,000 is better than buying a new car at the same price, but that's not the question being asked. I know there's a thread around here about used for the price of new, look that up and post in there since that would be the appropriate topic.
Anyway, what would I want from a $13,000 car? Not much. Probably a 1.4 or 1.6L engine with a 5-speed manual or an optional 5-speed traditional automatic for a slight price increase. It would probably need to be a hatchback with enough room to seat four comfortably or five uncomfortably. As for features? A radio with an AUX in port (no one buys CD's anymore), power windows, power locks, four wheel disc with ABS, TCS, center arm rest, fold down rear seats, and air con. Past that I don't think you would really need much more than that.
Anyway, what would I want from a $13,000 car? Not much. Probably a 1.4 or 1.6L engine with a 5-speed manual or an optional 5-speed traditional automatic for a slight price increase. It would probably need to be a hatchback with enough room to seat four comfortably or five uncomfortably. As for features? A radio with an AUX in port (no one buys CD's anymore), power windows, power locks, four wheel disc with ABS, TCS, center arm rest, fold down rear seats, and air con. Past that I don't think you would really need much more than that.
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I go back and forth on whether or not it'd be better to get a brand-new car or a used car at that price point. Honestly, it really boils down to what you want out of the car, and how deep your pockets are for when something goes wrong. A warranty is nice, and on average, current cars seem to be a little more reliable than cars from a few years back. But, you're making sacrifices on size and potential content. I guess it all really depends on where your expectations are.
My Mom is looking to buy a new car in the next year or so, and in all honesty, I'm probably going to point her to a pretty basic trimmed $13-14k model. She doesn't want a lot of fancy options, she just wants a car that'll start every day, and won't be an issue for a few years while she pays off the loan. Something like a brand new Nissan Versa makes a lot of sense for her, and I suppose, that's all that really matters.
I guess that's why I find the Opel Karl so interesting... In addition to cars like the Versa, the Sandero, and yadda yadda yadda. Transportation for the masses. [Insert James May's Cars of the People promo here]. Safe, reliable, quiet, reasonably comfortable transportation for not a ton of money. Everything you need, nothing you don't. Features from top-trim cars back in 1999 are now standard even on the cheapest models, and things are fluxing in between. As much as I'd like to say that "fun" is a major part of what I consider important, it isn't as though these bargain basement cars aren't... Its just a different kind of fun.
My Mom is looking to buy a new car in the next year or so, and in all honesty, I'm probably going to point her to a pretty basic trimmed $13-14k model. She doesn't want a lot of fancy options, she just wants a car that'll start every day, and won't be an issue for a few years while she pays off the loan. Something like a brand new Nissan Versa makes a lot of sense for her, and I suppose, that's all that really matters.
I guess that's why I find the Opel Karl so interesting... In addition to cars like the Versa, the Sandero, and yadda yadda yadda. Transportation for the masses. [Insert James May's Cars of the People promo here]. Safe, reliable, quiet, reasonably comfortable transportation for not a ton of money. Everything you need, nothing you don't. Features from top-trim cars back in 1999 are now standard even on the cheapest models, and things are fluxing in between. As much as I'd like to say that "fun" is a major part of what I consider important, it isn't as though these bargain basement cars aren't... Its just a different kind of fun.
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A six year old Mk3 MX-5 with a BBR GT270 kit.
£8k/€10k/$15k can buy you a lot more new car now than, inflation adjusted, ever before. There's so much kit now that even entry level cars are nice places to be. We've pushed through the era of by-wire systems that lack feel - some manufacturers are a bit hit and miss with the brakes particularly but some were with hydraulic systems (Lancia's was so bad they took the Beta off the market for a year, and simply removed the hydraulic assistance...) - and there's a load of even cheap cars that are nice to drive and still ride well.
And quite a few that are awful.
No-one wants a warm Karl.
£8k/€10k/$15k can buy you a lot more new car now than, inflation adjusted, ever before. There's so much kit now that even entry level cars are nice places to be. We've pushed through the era of by-wire systems that lack feel - some manufacturers are a bit hit and miss with the brakes particularly but some were with hydraulic systems (Lancia's was so bad they took the Beta off the market for a year, and simply removed the hydraulic assistance...) - and there's a load of even cheap cars that are nice to drive and still ride well.
And quite a few that are awful.
I have to say, I hope they don't start offering that with fruity versions of the three cylinder to make a sub-10s hatch.
No-one wants a warm Karl.
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And 2 reasons why this guy should never give financial advise.
How the hell did this idiot come up with E60 M5 as his example of Used>New for the money & then complain about the repair costs of new vehicles.
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And it'll still be ugly and embarassing. Also, exactly how quick are those things? According to simulations run by Automobile-Catalog.com, a V6 Cavalier (pretty much the same car) will run about 8.5 seconds 0-60 and 125 MPH in the top end. Is it really possible to get that level of performance out of a microscopic little engine like that for under 13 grand?
Honestly, I'd rather have 2 or 4 than 3 or 5, although the Chevy Sonic sedan proves that even a notchback can look off.
Already have that, although only 4 can be used legally since the center rear seat doesn't have a seatbelt.
That's not much.
OK, whatever
Have those, but they're not really necessary
Guess I didn't really realize there were cars that had bucket seats but no center console.
I guess I thought most cars had that as a matter of course now.
Not really necessary, but whatever.
Whatever, but at this point I'd like to add that I myself never use A/C as a matter of principle.
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I'm sure living in Alaska has nothing to do with it.
Though I will also say that:
I know we don't get the wide variety of superminis and the like offered in other countries, but if you were looking for cool transport and were limited to new cars, the cheapest one I can think of which anyone would call cool is still 2 grand over the "budget."
