What does GT5 have over FM3?

[Spade13]

[*]open wheel cars .. Whats that?

[*]dynamic weather .. Boring.. And you can't choose you're fav weather.

[*]dynamic time of day .. Useless. It's just not fun anymore.

[*]my lounge .. No where near Forza's online ecperience.

[*]custom public lobbies .. No where near Forza's online ecperience.

[*]active aerodynamics .. Respect.

[*]better animation of suspension movement .. Respect.

[*]an affordable steering wheel is available .. Respect.

[*]steering via gamepad feels more direct .. Have even used a 360 controller in Froza3? Don't think so.

[*]license tests .. Respect.

[*]special events .. Respect.

[*]better lighting .. Respect.

[*]up to 16 cars on track (but frame rate suffers) .. 16
so what? it's not like you'lll be counting ever car you pass + it just killed the graphics.

• Open wheel cars are Formula 1 cars and cars similar to those.
  
• Dynamic weather is boring? It changes the whole experience with the car handling and the graphics for it in the interior view are amazing! Plus you can choose what type of weather you would like!
  
• Dynamic day night cycles aren't useless! If you want to have endurance races than dynamic day night cycles are necessary for it.
  
• Yeah I agree on that one. Forza 3's online is way better!
  
• Forza 3's online may be better, you have to admit the online customization in GT5 is better.
  
• I have no comment on the controllers for PS3 and Xbox 360. The only real difference I see in them are that Xbox 360's triggers are better and that the left analog and D Pad are switched. Everything else is the same.

 

[Scaff]

In other words it will be IMPROVED but not COMPLETED, you see the differnce lad? Forza 3 didnt take half a decade but doesn't have 800 ps2 cars either?

Unless you can prove to me that you are the father of a growing group of GTP members you will stop refering to other members as you 'son' or 'lad'.

The manner and tone in which its being used is belittling and condescending, and it will stop now.

Me thinks we have a forza fan in here.

And that would be a problem for what reason exactly?


Take the following on board both of you.

The quality of your posts and the attitude you are showing to other members is well below the standard we expect here at GT Planet.

Unless I see an immediate improvement, both of you are going to get hit with 48 hour bans.

You will not be asked again.


Scaff

 

[Spagetti69]

@Spade. Could you elaborate on GT's online customisation please.
I've not delved too deeply.
I found Forza to be quit in-depth. They did screw up the p2p in Forza though.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

While GT5 is definitely a work in progress, the fact that hundreds of thousands of us can't stop playing it, perhaps millions, indicates that your views aren't as widely held as you believe. At any given time before 8 pm Central US, there are more than 2500 visitors here in the GT5 section, and not all are complainers.

The game hasn't been out a full month yet, I hope somebody's still playing it.
I'm still playing it too.

How about 3 months from now, or 6 months from now?
There might be some playing online, but I doubt, except new arrivals anyone will be playing the game. It will be well over before then.

GT4 was a one year plus game, if you wanted to experience all of it.

Whether my view is widely held or not, is irrelevant.
Whether no one plays it, or thousands play it, is irrelevant.

GT5 isn't close to the game it should have been, or in keeping with the content and quality of prior GT games.
Thats not a complaint, thats a fact. (see edit below)
EDIT: Thats not a complaint, thats my opinion, based in actual fact.

 

[Lil Ape]

I love it when you people say this ^

How do you know what every car should sound like?

When you play a car sound from a video clip on youtube ..you are not getting the real true sound.

^^Those sounds are distorted recorded on cell phone cams etc....

Also car in GT5 when you are out of cockpit view sound a lot louder and much better.
My only disappointment with car sounds in GT5 is when you go in a tunnel .. the sound stays the same doesn't magnify at all ....that sux !!!!

No bonu$ for the sound designers for this oversight!!!

Do we really need to make sound comparison videos? He said the sound is better in forza because all or most cars sound like they should, which is true. GT series has always had worse car sounds than forza.

 

[NOS Waster]

And that would be a problem for what reason exactly?


Take the following on board both of you.

The quality of your posts and the attitude you are showing to other members is well below the standard we expect here at GT Planet.

Unless I see an immediate improvement, both of you are going to get hit with 48 hour bans.

You will not be asked again.


Scaff

1: I was only attempting to make an observation. That was not intended to be condescending. I will check the construction of my future posts to say what I mean properly.

2: The warning is duly noted. I just reviewed my previous posts and I was quite a bit out of line.

Anyhoo, it does appear that this topic is starting to go downhill.

 

[Scaff]

GT5 isn't close to the game it should have been, or in keeping with the content and quality of prior GT games.
Thats not a complaint, thats a fact.

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you have said here, its not a 'fact' its an 'opinion'.

A perfectly valid opinion, but an opinion none the less.

All claiming it as fact is going to do is result in a lot of people jumping up and down and shouting at you, and lets be honest that's the last thing this thread needs.


Scaff

1: I was only attempting to make an observation. That was not intended to be condescending. I will check the construction of my future posts to say what I mean properly.

2: The warning is duly noted. I just reviewed my previous posts and I was quite a bit out of line.

Anyhoo, it does appear that this topic is starting to go downhill.

Thank you and to be honest that why I made the post.

I would rather not lock the thread as its a valid topic for discussion, but a measure of judgment and restraint is needed when posting by all parties.

I'm going to be keeping an eye on the thread and fingers crossed it will get back on track (either that or it will end up locked and some people will have interesting PM messages to read).


Thanks


Scaff

 

[xxRHOxx]

Unless you can prove to me that you are the father of a growing group of GTP members you will stop refering to other members as you 'son' or 'lad'.

The manner and tone in which its being used is belittling and condescending, and it will stop now.



And that would be a problem for what reason exactly?


Take the following on board both of you.

The quality of your posts and the attitude you are showing to other members is well below the standard we expect here at GT Planet.

Unless I see an immediate improvement, both of you are going to get hit with 48 hour bans.

You will not be asked again.


Scaff

Son if you want to be a primary school teacher, go to the nearest school and earn money, being mod on yur ass isn't economical right now. Talking about economical , i see the records have gone pretty dusty.

 

[PzR Slim]

It does surprise me how blinkered some of the opinions are, though - even if you have to pick just one poison, they're both very good racing games and I find it hard to see how someone who loves one can't appreciate what the other does even if they're not a fan of the overall style. Still, takes all sorts, I guess!

Just wanted to highlight the above and say I wholeheartedly agree. Very well said.

 

[Spagetti69]

Not called for.

Edit. PZR. I echo your thoughts too. Ive said before if I'm a fanboy, then I'm a fanboy of the genre, not brand.
Racing sim type games are my poison. Il sturmovik and santas bringing me Apache assault too.

Thats one area the PS shines. Third party support. Got a nice flight stick.

Sorry for off topic.

 

[Scaff]

Son if you want to be a primary school teacher, go to the nearest school and earn money, being mod on yur ass isn't economical right now. Talking about economical , i see the records have gone pretty dusty.

See you in two days. If you attitude doesn't change then the ban will become permanent.



Scaff

 

[NOS Waster]

It does surprise me how blinkered some of the opinions are, though - even if you have to pick just one poison, they're both very good racing games and I find it hard to see how someone who loves one can't appreciate what the other does even if they're not a fan of the overall style. Still, takes all sorts, I guess!

Just wanted to highlight the above and say I wholeheartedly agree. Very well said.

I agree with both posts. While I am truly a GT fan at heart, I can appreciate Forza and love what it does. The vinyl editing is a kind of sandbox for me to learn how to make good looking paint schemes. It's way easier than using photoshop for PC sims.

I also love what GT5 does. It allows me the chance to drive some amazing cars in the rain and at night at places where i would only dream of going.

Both games represent the console sim racing genre very well and I am glad to own both games 👍

 

[Spagetti69]

Wow I'm getting a warm glow from this thread of late. Almost like a middle east peace deal.

 

[Scaff]

Both games represent the console sim racing genre very well and I am glad to own both games 👍

Quite agree and I have to say that since I got GT5 its actually got me playing FM3 more again as well.

Only problem with that is how much damn time it eats away.

Scaff

 

[Buubar]

I love GT5 and FM3, but vinyl editing is the only feature I miss from FM3, if it had that, GT5 would be complete.

 

[PzR Slim]

Quite agree and I have to say that since I got GT5 its actually got me playing FM3 more again as well.

Only problem with that is how much damn time it eats away.

Scaff

Snap. Really interesting to go back and compare. Bit of an assault of the senses when a Forza track first loads but if you can see past the gaudiness the handling isn't quite as far behind as you thought. Been enjoying the new HLC TT round Sebring that's just started. Good to get the competitive juices flowing again. Leaderboards in GT 5 can't come soon enough. Interested to see how they will be implemented.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

While I don't necessarily disagree with what you have said here, its not a 'fact' its an 'opinion'.

A perfectly valid opinion, but an opinion none the less.

All claiming it as fact is going to do is result in a lot of people jumping up and down and shouting at you, and lets be honest that's the last thing this thread needs.


Scaff

I have edited that remark, not that it probably matters much.
Not to worry I've been shouted at before. Sometimes its to be expected, as I think you have sensed, particularly in this thread.
I remarked earlier how impressed I was, that this thread at 10 pages hadn't already turned into a flamefest. Perhaps it will just take longer than usual.

Nevertheless, I don't seek to make your day any more difficult.

Wow I'm getting a warm glow from this thread of late. Almost like a middle east peace deal.

 

[timboella]

Well put all the facts figures and techno mumbo jumbo to one side and ask your self this? Why is it when my favourite gaming genre is driving and I have played Forza 3 for about 24hrs ( I have had it since its release date it's quite dusty now) and even though I have Black Ops, Assassins Creed Brotherhood and Fall Out New Vegas I have played nothing at all since GT5 was released in fact I am even playing Bspec as I write. The answer must be its simply a far better Game. For all those Xbox fans out there that want to bash me I should point out that Forza 2 is the only game I have ever got 1000 points on (that's like unlocking all the GT5 trophies)

The answer is that the reason I just can't play anything else at the moment is because BT5 knocks the socks off any driving game that has ever been made.

Is it just me or does Forza 3 just feel slow?

 

[Akira AC]

Quite agree and I have to say that since I got GT5 its actually got me playing FM3 more again as well.

Only problem with that is how much damn time it eats away.

Scaff

I'm guilty as well,I have play a lot FM3 in the last week or so(borrowed xbox),I do believe that FM3 does it right but I believe that it lacks of something,more integrity or "experience",I'm stick to GT5 because I just simply like it,It can't be measured or explained,I just simply like it,just like liking a tofu milkshake or a good movie.

BTW scaff I got a question:

I been told by professional driver that the tire physics in Forza 3 are right, because there is a calculation that affects tire grip according to the car mass characteristics,and according to professional driver the mass characteristics on the car in FM3 are wrong(some of the times in my opinion),adding to that a constant TCS assist(minimal) is noticeable some of the times,this TCS acts as over-steering avoidance system which is balanced when fine tuning is done.

Regarding GT5 physics I didn't had the chance to formulate such questions but it seems like GT5 implements a similar system which is enable or disable according to the user preference,while in FM3 you cant.

And a bit off topic,he told me that enthusia had the best physics that he have ever seen on console,even for today standards enthusia physics are quite good,he told me that but I'm not so sure,I have played enthusia a couple of times (more than 5 years ago,with GT4 at the time)and it seem to me a bit more arcadish than GT4,If you have play it can you please give me your thoughts about it(is a question that occupies my mind every time I'm drifting a Silvia, that's the car that I drove in enthusia and I felt it somehow similar to GT5,or I'm must be going nuts).

 

[PzR Slim]

Wow I'm getting a warm glow from this thread of late. Almost like a middle east peace deal.

Yeah but we know how they always end

 

[Luminis]

I fired Forza 3 up while my B-Spec Bobs are runnign endurance events... Kinda the best way to grind B-Spec and still get my driving fix

What I noticed, though, is that I miss the 'min-maxing' that comes with Forza's classes. The class system is nowhere near perfect, but being an old RPG-fan, that kind of 'min-maxing' is kinda more appealing to me than GT5's leveling system.

Seeing a customised car again also feels kinda nice.

If only I could get the best of both worlds

 

[NOS Waster]

If only I could get the best of both worlds

While i did snip some of your comment out, this is the comment that really struck me. I wholeheartedly agree with this. Sometimes, i think that the best console sim would happen if we have Turn 10, PD, Microsoft, and Sony all working together to release an amazing console sim for both the 360 and PS3, but that probably won't happen .

 

[otago]

What I miss in GT5:

* rewind. I've got seriously sick of AI smashing into me 30 seconds before finish and restarting everything again just because of that.

* Money. In Forza sometimes I buy a new car for single race, because that's what the game is about: driving different cars in different events. Not a single Viper ACR through 25 races just because I don't have money for anything else.

* Ability to drive any car in arcade mode. GT5 has 1000 cars, the only problem I can try in game maybe 200 and that's it. So what was the point of those 1000 cars?

 

[FyreandIce]

I been told by professional driver that the tire physics in Forza 3 are right, because there is a calculation that affects tire grip according to the car mass characteristics,and according to professional driver the mass characteristics on the car in FM3 are wrong(some of the times in my opinion),adding to that a constant TCS assist(minimal) is noticeable some of the times,this TCS acts as over-steering avoidance system which is balanced when fine tuning is done.

The reason it's so easy to catch oversteer in FM1/2/3 is the steering assist. You can still over cook it and loose the back end but you need to be trying for it to happen (or not countersteer at all)

 

[Devedander]

Well put all the facts figures and techno mumbo jumbo to one side and ask your self this? Why is it when my favourite gaming genre is driving and I have played Forza 3 for about 24hrs ( I have had it since its release date it's quite dusty now) and even though I have Black Ops, Assassins Creed Brotherhood and Fall Out New Vegas I have played nothing at all since GT5 was released in fact I am even playing Bspec as I write. The answer must be its simply a far better Game. For all those Xbox fans out there that want to bash me I should point out that Forza 2 is the only game I have ever got 1000 points on (that's like unlocking all the GT5 trophies)

The answer is that the reason I just can't play anything else at the moment is because BT5 knocks the socks off any driving game that has ever been made.

Is it just me or does Forza 3 just feel slow?

Strange... I am a huge racing fan also... I have had many racing games from both the GT and Forza series and have spent plenty of time on both as well as others with GT4 EASILY rounding out the most time spent category for a racing game.

I put in a few solid days of GT5 (at least 4 hours per day) and that has already tapered off... I am now back to 50/50 BFBC2 (at best - the new maps definitely helped there) and finding my eye wandering... I find myself sitting in my gaming chair in front of my G27 playing who knows what (there is a game called Ragdoll Kung Fu that is a HOOT!) and glances at my game collection don't even get me roused enough to get up and swithc out the game for GT5...

GT4 never left my PS2 for months despite a bevy of other awesome games right along side it...

Everyones diferent and some will be die hard no matter what, others were probably dead to the GT world long before GT5 ever high shelves... but in all honesty I feel more often than not GT5 is falling short of it's predicssor...

Oh and while I don't think Forza feels slow necessarily, I have brought up before that Forza's rather stable camera doesn't help the imersion, excitement or feel of the game... it needs more camera pitch, roll and shake to get rid of the boat on water rather than car on road feeling I often come away with. It's definitely a place T10 need to take a queue from GT... although they may be intentionally not doing it to keep their game an obvioulsy seperate entity.

 

[Snow_leopard]

Quite agree and I have to say that since I got GT5 its actually got me playing FM3 more again as well.

Only problem with that is how much damn time it eats away.

Scaff

Same here i do play gt5 alot but i kinda go back to forza i miss my fav track kaido.Or as my friend call it drifters dreams love drifting in the s15 top secret

 

[Earth]

Kazunori Yamauchi

/thread

 

[Pierced Lead]

Proof on TechRadar.

Proof on Kotaku.

OK, now where are the cps for GT5 or GT5P for that matter? If we're going to compare we need both of their stats.

Those articles were there before GT5 released. Maybe they are still true till now, but we won't know for sure until we get a direct comparison

Somebody please tweet Kaz asking him how fast the physics engine runs.


And I think I agree with Devedander, it probably is the shaky camera that gives the sense of immersion in GT5.

 

[t.o.]

The clutch in Forza 3 is no where near realistic at all. If you use a controller all you do is tap a button before the shift happens, doesn't matter when you tap it as long as it's before the gear changes. So yeah real big immersion factor there...I have not used the clutch in GT5 as I don't have a wheel yet, so I can't comment GT5's clutch.

For the last time: IT IS NOT AN ON/OFF SWITCH
Slightly push the clutch in and it will slip some. It will grab more and more as people slowly let off the clutch. Don't know where you thought of this, but stop spreading around misinformation.
1: It doesn't help anyone
2: It's against the AUP

Ok, I'll put it like this. I've driven clutch many times in my life. From old loud -as-hell Duece and halfs when I was in the Army, to Volkswagen passenger vans (similar but newer than what's in GT5) when I was on transport duty, to Honda Civic Si's, to RX7's, to Datsun B10's and assorted other cars where I almost killed myself in them. NONE of them felt like what GT5's clutch feels like. Forza 3 comes very close, is it perfect, by all means not, but it's the closest I've experienced. More over, I totally killed a duty van because my clutch skills weren't at their peak and the van's transmission was on the way out. When I really start cooking the clutch in FM3 I feel like I'm in that duty van all over again. I've yet to get the "in that moment" experience with the clutch in GT5 in anything I've driven. Hence the desperate hope for a patch of some type.

How all this relates with a controller is beyond the scope of my knowledge. As getting the immersion factor is most important to me hence the investment in the Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S so my experience with clutch in either game is implemented as I would in real life. So if anyone is playing the game as a game with a game-pad then your "simulation" experience is yours alone or rather apart from mine.

A few vehicles I've driven in real life with a clutch...

Now the ones that felt like what it feels in GT5

...................

 

[otago]

The reason it's so easy to catch oversteer in FM1/2/3 is the steering assist.

I don't know. I spinned all Canada winter long on ice with all kinds of spins possible.

Catching the car is exactly what you do in Forza 2, after playing the game for a while you do it like in auto mode.

Though never had a chance to spin on dry tarmac, it's quite hard to perform