What does GT5 have over FM3?

[IceGT]

I own both games, and GT5 is just more fun to play hands down. I have been playing GT5 nonstop since in came out. I was tired of FM3 after 3 weeks. I will say that the livery creator in FM2, and FM3 is a good time, and allows for some awesome creations, but other than that I would rather spend my time playing GT5.

 

[IncredibleMind]

What I don't understand is,

Theres a thread about what GT5 has over Forza, on a GT5 forum, on GTPlanet. Filled with FM3 plugs and GT5 bashes. The question is. Why are microsoft users so sadistic. Why do FM3 players, who constantly, consistently say that GT5 is many bad things and criticize it as though it was the worst racing game ever made, permeate negativity.

Whether or not you like one game more is moot. You can be happy in a Forza forum bashing GT5, or you can go to a GT5 forum to bash GT5. Which seems kind of pathetic. All it shows is that theres people in this community with enough not-lives to buy two five hundred dollar consoles and two sixty five dollar games to go to the opposite ones forums and then cry all day about which one is better then which, subjectively and often without proof of anything they claim to be factual.

Come on guys. Theres alot of better ways to have a conversation then saying this or that "Sucks."

You literally couldn't have said it better. These are my sentiments exactly. There's a group of people here who literally pump out negativity at every turn towards GT5.

I'm pretty sure you couldn't go on a Forza forum and bash Forza the way they do GT5 here. They're trolls, plain and simple. It makes no sense to spend as much time as they do trying to bash a game they claim they don't care for.

Perfect example, you have t.o. in a thread claiming the FF in Forza is far superior to GT5's, yet in this one his tune is different. He's saying the driving is superior in GT but the racing is better in Forza.

I post at other forums and the negativity towards GT5 is definitely at it's highest in here.

 

[t.o.]

Perfect example, you have t.o. in a thread claiming the FF in Forza is far superior to GT5's, yet in this one his tune is different. He's saying the driving is superior in GT but the racing is better in Forza.

I post at other forums and the negativity towards GT5 is definitely at it's highest in here.

NEWS FLASH: A game can do one thing good and do another thing bad.

But you're ALMOST right. I am changing my tune a bit but not for the reasons you say. I said the driving was better in GT5 but I'm starting to question that a bit.
Don't know what's hard to grasp about the original though. If the FF and rumble is better in FM3 then it's just better. That's completely different than the driving model.
Dude the guys you SHOULD be upset at are PD, they're the ones who put the game out.

 

[cuco33]

The same happens with forza from g only fans.
Its no different, same as only defending ps/sony/gt5.

 

[GTOne2Three]

I liked Forza before playing GT5. Now I'm just addicted to GT5. Driving is more fun.

 

[t.o.]

The same happens with forza from g only fans.
Its no different, same as only defending ps/sony/gt5.

Very much true. And I'm not even lumped in that class as he would make it seem. I posted earlier a friend of mine got the game as a late Christmas gift. He was 100 percent DEAD SET to take the game back to the store, unopened untried, and trade it in for a pre-order for MLB The Show. I was the one that convinced him that we could have some fun with GT5 and to try it out first. If I was this "fanboy, GT5 basher" as IncredibleMind would make it out to be I would have been the first one offering him a ride to Gamestop. There is quite a bit of fun to be had in the game. It's a quality title but it's NOT the "be all end all" of console racing, not by a long shot.

 

[R34EVO9]

I like forza cause its fun to play and i like racing with the euro guys cause they are so good and the all race like touring cars drivers and its fun and frustrating and the same time

I like GT5 because of its premium cars and its nice tracks and somewhat better physics.

 

[IncredibleMind]

NEWS FLASH: A game can do one thing good and do another thing bad.

But you're ALMOST right. I am changing my tune a bit but not for the reasons you say. I said the driving was better in GT5 but I'm starting to question that a bit.
Don't know what's hard to grasp about the original though. If the FF and rumble is better in FM3 then it's just better. That's completely different than the driving model.
Dude the guys you SHOULD be upset at are PD, they're the ones who put the game out.

There is no "ALMOST" right. Also you aren't "starting" to change your tune, you already did. FF is obviously intrinsic to the driving experience and you're simply trying to find the words to justify your feelings. I just thought it was important to put that on the table in case someone comes by reading your opinions and believe them to be unbiased. You're in the extreme minority of people who think the driving is better in Forza.

Also, Cuco provide a link to the forum where GT supporters troll on a level Forza supporters do here.

 

[frozzie]

Played FM1-3, now moved onto GT5.

GT has better circuits than FM. FM = full of boring American circuits (Sebring etc)
GT has nurburgring that is quite well recreated, FM version is ****. It doesn't deserve to be called nurburgring.
GT has wider range of race categories (X1, F1, karts, rally... Forza doesn't have them)
GT has weather effects, Forza doesn't simply because developer doesn't like rain
GT has night and day, only day in Forza.
Lastly GT has better interface than FM
Forza doesn't have events (e.g. licences, special events etc) that keeps you interesting. Its career mode is **** as well.

On the other hand, Forza has better customization, AI, environment graphics.

 

[t.o.]

There is no "ALMOST" right. Also you aren't "starting" to change your tune, you already did. FF is obviously intrinsic to the driving experience and you're simply trying to find the words to justify your feelings. I just thought it was important to put that on the table in case someone comes by reading your opinions and believe them to be unbiased. You're in the extreme minority of people who think the driving is better in Forza.

Also, Cuco provide a link to the forum where GT supporters troll on a level Forza supporters do here.

I'm trying to find words to "justify" my feelings? Please dude quit now. I don't need to find words to justify crap. I feel it, I say it. I see it, I say it. I do it, I say it. Point blank. If you can't open your mind to the fact that FF and rumble can be weak but other parts of driving not then that's your problem, I'm pretty damn sure that the rest of the world is more than capable of getting the job done. My opinions are unbiased but it's becoming crystal clear where yours are coming from.

Also stop putting words in my mouth son. I never said I thought the driving model was better in Forza BUT the more I start to read and play the more I'm questioning. And if you can't figure the difference in the two , I mean if you REALLY can't figure out the difference between the two then word of advice , don't reply, it'll just be embarrassing.

Furthermore I'm not here to get into personal battles in the forums. You're doing just as I've said others have, passing off your personal opinions, in this case about me, as fact when infact it's nothing but tripe. You want to continue this then PM me otherwise YOU will get no responses from me on the subject.

PS: There IS an almost right.

 

[porsche 9146]

think about one thing for a second here. how many "FM3 supporters" went out and bought PS3s just for GT5? how many of them came to this forum initially to discuss a game they thought would be brilliant?

now, how many "GT5 supporters" have gone out and purchased xbox 360s for the purpose of playing FM3? how many of them came to forza motorsport forums to initially discuss a game they had high hopes of?

I'm not trying to be rude, but the people you call "fanboys" on here seem pretty open minded about GT5 in the first place.

signed, an "FM3 supported" who plays GT5

 

[prymet1me]

There is no "ALMOST" right. Also you aren't "starting" to change your tune, you already did. FF is obviously intrinsic to the driving experience and you're simply trying to find the words to justify your feelings. I just thought it was important to put that on the table in case someone comes by reading your opinions and believe them to be unbiased. You're in the extreme minority of people who think the driving is better in Forza.

Also, Cuco provide a link to the forum where GT supporters troll on a level Forza supporters do here.

www.gtplanet.net

 

[t.o.]

think about one thing for a second here. how many "FM3 supporters" went out and bought PS3s just for GT5? how many of them came to this forum initially to discuss a game they thought would be brilliant?

now, how many "GT5 supporters" have gone out and purchased xbox 360s for the purpose of playing FM3? how many of them came to forza motorsport forums to initially discuss a game they had high hopes of?

I'm not trying to be rude, but the people you call "fanboys" on here seem pretty open minded about GT5 in the first place.

signed, an "FM3 supported" who plays GT5

THANK YOU! People don't get it blinded with rage because people write something bad about "their" game. Check my PS3 name "totalownership" you'll see I bought VERY few games on the PS3 because VERY few games interest me on the platform. This one does. If it didn't, just like the rest of the games I didn't buy, I wouldn't have bought it. So I DID support the game. The game delivered on some points, didn't quite come through on others and completely did not attempt to deliver on others (still waiting to export replays PD). So because of this I'm here to talk about it. The good, bad and ugly. I mean I got people accussing me of "fanboyism" for asking a question. How does this https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=154866 equal some super agenda against GT5? I was looking for someone to say "Oh , all you have to do is click this and select that and it's just what you're looking for"

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

I like Gran Turismo, have been playing it religiously since GT2 and in my opinion GT2 and GT4 are THE best damn racing games in human history, hell... of all time! It wasn't until GT4 that I realized who and what PD was, and their statements made in that game were pretty ****ing clear... they are the cutting edge. GT4's graphics and gameplay were so perfect that even 4 or 5 years later I'd still come crawling back to it even after playing PS3 games. I'll even say that GT4 is better than FM3 in all aspects of gaming, racing, and driving simulation. That's how much of a fanboy I am.

The reason why I'm so critical of GT5 is because it doesn't live up to GT4, it hasn't made any leaps or statements like every past GT game did. The only upgrade were graphics on 200 cars, updated physics engine, and some of the tracks look damn good - and a couple of new motorsports which are boring and over done. That's it... Worth a 5 year wait? HELL NO. Half of GT5 is a PS2 game (if even that), which is really ****ing unacceptable. A 5 year wait for this... 5 years! What the hell have they been doing for 5 ****ing years??

FM3 (or as I call it to my friends who play, Farcea) has at least given a much more honest progression to it's series. It's a much more put together game, much more solid and consistant. It probably even makes you feel like you're playing a new generation game?

Honestly, I'm so critical because I know PD's standards and I highly doubt GT5 has met them and I think they know this. It was rushed, unfinished, and now it's just a mediorce game. It doesn't have anything over any other game other game other than surviving off the success of past sequels. I think if Gran Turismo 5 was callled Test Drive... it would've fallen off the market by now. I think most Gran Turismo players are in denial and are probably just hoping to god for some ****ing updates and that PD will make it right over the next few months. There is huge potential in GT5 despite how crooked of a game it is... but Farce-a is already at its potential and T10 is on the move again to reach new heights in FM4, while PD is sitting in Japan with their thumbs up their asses.

FM4 will draw from both FM3 and GT5 and I think will be the successor of both series.

 

[IncredibleMind]

I'm trying to find words to "justify" my feelings? Please dude quit now. I don't need to find words to justify crap. I feel it, I say it. I see it, I say it. I do it, I say it. Point blank. If you can't open your mind to the fact that FF and rumble can be weak but other parts of driving not then that's your problem, I'm pretty damn sure that the rest of the world is more than capable of getting the job done. My opinions are unbiased but it's becoming crystal clear where yours are coming from.

Also stop putting words in my mouth son. I never said I thought the driving model was better in Forza BUT the more I start to read and play the more I'm questioning. And if you can't figure the difference in the two , I mean if you REALLY can't figure out the difference between the two then word of advice , don't reply, it'll just be embarrassing.

Furthermore I'm not here to get into personal battles in the forums. You're doing just as I've said others have, passing off your personal opinions, in this case about me, as fact when infact it's nothing but tripe. You want to continue this then PM me otherwise YOU will get no responses from me on the subject.

PS: There IS an almost right.

Did you just refer to me as"son"? I'm going to quote you, "dude quit now". You can't actually be serious.

Anyway, the FF and rumble IS directly tied to the driving model in the same sense that the road surface is tied to the handling and to deny that is completely foolish. It's all intrinsic to the driving experience and even the driving 'model'. I don't care if you respond or not.

And for the record, you pointed out that I "SHOULD" be mad at PD. Newsflash: While I'm not completely happy with the game I just as many others have played the game and enjoyed it enough to not be "mad". If that were the case I wouldn't be bothered. That's really my advice for trolls who do nothing but moan about how bad of a game GT is. Whatever.

 

[R34EVO9]

I like Gran Turismo, have been playing it religiously since GT2 and in my opinion GT2 and GT4 are THE best damn racing games in human history, hell... of all time! It wasn't until GT4 that I realized who and what PD was, and their statements made in that game were pretty ****ing clear... they are the cutting edge. GT4's graphics and gameplay were so perfect that even 4 or 5 years later I'd still come crawling back to it even after playing PS3 games. I'll even say that GT4 is better than FM3 in all aspects of gaming, racing, and driving simulation. That's how much of a fanboy I am.

The reason why I'm so critical of GT5 is because it doesn't live up to GT4, it hasn't made any leaps or statements like every past GT game did. The only upgrade were graphics on 200 cars, updated physics engine, and some of the tracks look damn good - and a couple of new motorsports which are boring and over done. That's it... Worth a 5 year wait? HELL NO. Half of GT5 is a PS2 game (if even that), which is really ****ing unacceptable. A 5 year wait for this... 5 years! What the hell have they been doing for 5 ****ing years??

FM3 (or as I call it to my friends who play, Farcea) has at least given a much more honest progression to it's series. It's a much more put together game, much more solid and consistant. It probably even makes you feel like you're playing a new generation game?

Honestly, I'm so critical because I know PD's standards and I highly doubt GT5 has met them and I think they know this. It was rushed, unfinished, and now it's just a mediorce game. It doesn't have anything over any other game other game other than surviving off the success of past sequels. I think if Gran Turismo 5 was callled Test Drive... it would've fallen off the market by now. I think most Gran Turismo players are in denial and are probably just hoping to god for some ****ing updates and that PD will make it right over the next few months. There is huge potential in GT5 despite how crooked of a game it is... but Farce-a is already at its potential and T10 is on the move again to reach new heights in FM4, while PD is sitting in Japan with their thumbs up their asses.

FM4 will draw from both FM3 and GT5 and I think will be the successor of both series.

You swear a lot. But you did manage to get past your gt love and see the truth which a lot of people up here don't see.

GT5 has fallen backwards in sense compared to all the other racers out there. And i am curious to see what shift 2 is going to do also along with FM4 cause they both seem to be really good games

 

[deftonesmx17]

Also stop putting words in my mouth son.

LMFAO 👍

Found this funny as I dealt with the same thing from him in another thread.

 

[porsche 9146]

I also don't understand the urge to have one of these "fanboy wars". both series are massively successful, and the success of one game will not quickly cause the demise of the other.

 

[Shinzah]

And the reverse isn't true? Why haven't you asked the same question of many GT5 players who act this way towards X360/Forza players?

It goes for both sides really. But it seems like theres a whole lot more "Forza did it better" then "GT5 is a decent game threads".

I don't know what goes on in the Forza forum. But I'm pretty sure theres not a whole lot of threads saying GT5 did it better, and if there was, theres probably alot of tired moderators.

I might not be a pinnacle of happiness myself, but I tend to not argue points I can't back up and permiate negativity in every thread because I don't like something. I don't mind debate, debate is healthy. But this isn't so much a Debate thread as it is "Find every possible flaw in GT5." The thread was created to highlight positive aspects of the title.

If these people like Forza better theres a whole other community for it. Theres a whole other game to play. Coming to an internet forum and airing every tiny gripe is pretty sad when theres far more positive, productive things to do.

You literally couldn't have said it better. These are my sentiments exactly. There's a group of people here who literally pump out negativity at every turn towards GT5.

I'm pretty sure you couldn't go on a Forza forum and bash Forza the way they do GT5 here. They're trolls, plain and simple. It makes no sense to spend as much time as they do trying to bash a game they claim they don't care for.

Perfect example, you have t.o. in a thread claiming the FF in Forza is far superior to GT5's, yet in this one his tune is different. He's saying the driving is superior in GT but the racing is better in Forza.

I post at other forums and the negativity towards GT5 is definitely at it's highest in here.

👍 Glad someone gets it.

 

[Spagetti69]

*Walks into saloon*.

*ducks as chairs fly overhead*

 

[Luminis]

Anyway, the FF and rumble IS directly tied to the driving model in the same sense that the road surface is tied to the handling and to deny that is completely foolish. It's all intrinsic to the driving experience and even the driving 'model'. I don't care if you respond or not.

That's like saying GT5's physics are rubbish because it's lacking in terms of tyre model. Despite that, the physics are great.
And despite having worse force feedback, it can provide a better driving feel.

Just like a car with less BHP isn't necessarily slower than a car with more power.
Denying that seems quite strange.

If these people like Forza better theres a whole other community for it. Theres a whole other game to play. Coming to an internet forum and airing every tiny gripe is pretty sad when theres far more positive, productive things to do.

Coming to a thread that's sole purpose is comparing FM3 and GT5 and expecting people to only name the things that GT5 does better is pretty sad as well, isn't it?

 

[IncredibleMind]

Did you just refer to me as"son"? I'm going to quote you, "dude quit now". You can't actually be serious.

Anyway, the FF and rumble IS directly tied to the driving model in the same sense that the road surface is tied to the handling and to deny that is completely foolish. It's all intrinsic to the driving experience and even the driving 'model'. I don't care if you respond or not.

And for the record, you pointed out that I "SHOULD" be mad at PD. Newsflash: While I'm not completely happy with the game I just as many others have played the game and enjoyed it enough to not be "mad". If that were the case I wouldn't be bothered. That's really my advice for trolls who do nothing but moan about how bad of a game GT is. Whatever.

LMFAO 👍

Found this funny as I dealt with the same thing from him in another thread.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132607&page=19

Oh that thread. The one where you accused Scaff of being biased. The thread where I repeatedly used your own quotes against you. If anyone doubts simply read through it. It's actually hilarious IMO.

As for you t.o., sorry but no need for pm. It's not a private matter and I said what I needed to say. It was far from embarrassing.

 

[Ya Pops]

It goes for both sides really. But it seems like theres a whole lot more "Forza did it better" then "GT5 is a decent game threads".

I don't know what goes on in the Forza forum. But I'm pretty sure theres not a whole lot of threads saying GT5 did it better, and if there was, theres probably alot of tired moderators.

I might not be a pinnacle of happiness myself, but I tend to not argue points I can't back up and permiate negativity in every thread because I don't like something. I don't mind debate, debate is healthy. But this isn't so much a Debate thread as it is "Find every possible flaw in GT5." The thread was created to highlight positive aspects of the title.

If these people like Forza better theres a whole other community for it. Theres a whole other game to play. Coming to an internet forum and airing every tiny gripe is pretty sad when theres far more positive, productive things to do.

Watch the news. There's a whole lot more x amount of people were killed today stories than there are of the good things that go on in this world.

Personally, I've got both consoles and both games. The idiots that invest so much personal feeling into hating one or the other are missing out on so much that I have nothing but pity for them after I've stopped laughing at their blind stupidity.

 

[Kreepnslayer]

In FM3 you put spoilers on for downforce, and unlike GT5, you try to keep them from getting damaged in a race because it severely affects your downforce and car's performance. In FM3 your car WILL suffer if you damage your aero. In GT5 your spoiler can come off , land in a kids lap in the stands, they take it and use it as a sled and you're just flying around the track as if nothing happened.




You've guys heard me say "the group I race with" a few times in different threads, well this is one of the guys I race with. I agree with him.

Another thing that gets me is the physics. With so many people who own cars in real life that are in this game it's always the same. They say they don't drive the same. There's a difference between saying "GT5 has more CHALLENGING physics" and "GT5 has more realistic physics" which goes back to my old argument, "harder does not mean better".

If I'm not mistaken I think there is an option online, in FM3, to reduce overall grip in races or something to that affect. While it makes the game harder I'll bet that less than 1% of the Forza community uses it. Whats the point? Harder does not automatically equally better. If a car sticks like crazy glue in real life then it should do the same in the game.

And aero, Kreepin how many race outcomes we've had that have been affected by aero alone? Probably more than we can remember.



And that's the same reason MANY haven't given GT5 a chance after playing Prologue. The enlightened of us thought otherwise.

Lol. I didn't even realize that was you, Total. I've been lurking on this thread for a while and felt the need to speak up.

You're right. I remember more than a few racers having their runs ruined in our ALMS series in Forza because of aero damage, myself included. This type of consequence doesnt even exist in GT5

That's not to say GT5 is bad, or Forza is perfect. My opinion is just that, my opinion. I did feel the need to share it though given the level of misunderstanding (I won't say misinformation. Ill give some the benefit of the doubt) about Forza.

I like both of these games, as I know you do Total (in fact, GT 5 is all I see you playing when we aren't on our series nights). There are things that are fishy about both games though. For me, Forza 3 was more worth the 65 bucks than GT5 was.

It's funny too about grip levels. I think the lower end cars, say non-race cars, feel quite a lot different between the games. The race cars feel pretty similar to me though. That blue calsonic skyline in GT5 has monstrous amounts of grip, just like Forza. To address your point total, harder to drive does not always mean better simulation. Just means someone programmed it to be difficult. Did this happen for GT5? I dont know, and really I don't care. Fortunately I can see the good and bad (AWD swaps? God this angers me) in both.
And dude, our team suffered without you last night in our GT5 NASCAR series. Just sayin.

 

[Spagetti69]

What GT does better.

No leaderboards. Who wants to know their slower than anyone else. Ha, take that Forza fanboy, finding out your not the fastest. GT keeps it nice and simple.

High speed crashes. In Forza your car gets wrecked and doesn't look nice. Doesn't drive right either.
GT. High speed crash and my car is still nice and shiney, still drives ace too. Take that Forza.

Tuning, ha. In forza theirs more options but that's bad because it gives you a headache.

Less events in GT make it more interesting.
Forza has too many varied events and it stops my social life.

 

[Shinzah]

Watch the news. There's a whole lot more x amount of people were killed today stories than there are of the good things that go on in this world.

News has nothing to do with the internet, forums, and useless pisstaking.

 

[IncredibleMind]

That's like saying GT5's physics are rubbish because it's lacking in terms of tyre model. Despite that, the physics are great.
And despite having worse force feedback, it can provide a better driving feel.

Just like a car with less BHP isn't necessarily slower than a car with more power.
Denying that seems quite strange.

If the feedback is unsatisfactory or not pronounced enough to the point that it needs to be mentioned then obviously the driving experience is flawed. The rumble and FF are one of the primary ways you're experiencing a connection to the road surface and handling of the car.

 

[deftonesmx17]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132607&page=19

Oh that thread. The one where you accused Scaff of being biased. The thread where I repeatedly used your own quotes against you. If anyone doubts simply read through it. It's actually hilarious IMO.

The fact that you just dug up and linked a locked thread is freaking hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

 

[Luminis]

If the feedback is unsatisfactory or not pronounced enough to the point that it needs to be mentioned then obviously the driving experience is flawed. The rumble and FF are one of the primary ways you're experiencing a connection to the road surface and handling of the car.

So, uh, you're saying Mario Kart with perfect Force Feedback would be a better driving simulator than GT5 with flawed Force Feedback?

Is that what you're saying? Because that's what it's boiling down to. The best driving experience is obviously delivered by the game with the best overall package, not the one that excels at Force Feedback!

 

[Spagetti69]

Don't bring down Mario kart.
He's innocent in all this.

Bloody good game too.