What Feature Is Your GT6 Purchase Based On?" (A Second Look At Player Satisfaction With GT6)

[qgroundhog]

Livery editor, sounds, customization, photo mode and the updated suspension.

 

[Rudenut]

Lol, you know what I meant...👍

I'm always baffled by people who look forward to planned DLC. And the fact that it's being planned on being drip fed monthly well before the game's release just smells like a scheme to me.

I mean, I'm certain it takes more than a month to create DLC which means they are preparing in advanced DLC to be released before the game has even gone gold. Which feels ridiculous to me.

I guess it all depends on the amount of new features included in GT6 out of the box, but to flat out state the inclusion of monthly DLC before the games dropped is blatantly telling me that the unfinished nature of GT6 this time around will be intentional, and for the cost of a dollar. I mean, this generation of gaming is killin' me with all it's nickel & diming. It makes me feel like waiting for the Complete/Final/Master edition, and just saying "f' it" for the release.

Think of it like this. The price for the content on the disc is 60 bucks. It is no different from buying any other product. The price of a hamburger is 5 bucks...cheese and bacon however will cost more. There is nothing wrong with setting a price for a determined amount of content and charging more for more content.

 

[Samus]

A-Spec and AI primarily. Those are the two key areas that absolutely have to be better to make me even think of buying it. Even if they are though it will depend how much improved they are and other features will also play a part, mainly the truly new cars and tracks. If they're lacking as I suspect I will struggle to justify a full price purchase.

Think of it like this. The price for the content on the disc is 60 bucks. It is no different from buying any other product. The price of a hamburger is 5 bucks...cheese and bacon however will cost more. There is nothing wrong with setting a price for a determined amount of content and charging more for more content.

A better analogy would be that you used to get cheese and bacon in the $5 and now they sell you them as extras later.

 

[Rudenut]

A-Spec and AI primarily. Those are the two key areas that absolutely have to be better to make me even think of buying it. Even if they are though it will depend how much improved they are and other features will also play a part, mainly the truly new cars and tracks. If they're lacking as I suspect I will struggle to justify a full price purchase.

A better analogy would be that you used to get cheese and bacon in the $5 and now they sell you them as extras later.

A cheeseburger never cost the same as a hamburger.

 

[tezster]

The only reason I wouldn't get it is if it's a complete disaster and is the worse GT game of the entire series.

Having said that - I'm hoping for a completely revamped offline gampeplay mode.

 

[Samus]

A cheeseburger never cost the same as a hamburger.

Yes well that is where the anology doesn't work as a whole because there is only one version of a standard game. What I was simply saying is that for $60 we used to get the cheeseburger with bacon, now for $60 we just get the hamburger and the extras are held back to charge more.

I don't mind DLC if it's created after the game releases and is truly extra content but that is extremely rare with games now, GT6 appears it's going to be no different offering tracks for DLC that obviously will not be started once the game releases. They already have a DLC plan 6 months before the game has released. You can't do that unless you already have that content ready.

 

[R34EVO9]

Dam there's mad fan boys lol.. I voted for better tuning options

 

[thymeparadox]

I'm a fanboy. After getting back into the series recently, I would probably buy any game they put the GT logo on. Praise be to Kaz.

 

[T_Exige]

New cars and tracks, Silverstone and some cars like Ferrari Dino, Jaguar XKR-S ...

But i'll get the game anyway - Day 1

 

[esoxhntr]

with maybe the exception of more tuning options, all those are pretty low on the priority scale.. it all just sounds like fluff that adds nothing to the main point of this game -- driving.

my biggest hope is the physics will be improved, cars responding to (suspension) tuning the same way they do in IRL, a better balanced PP system and better online lobby options.

liveries = no care
customization = no care
tracks besides nordshleife = no care (mostly )
improved sounds = no care

in short, less fluff, more substance and a move to a more sim like racer.

 

[MustangManiac]

Couldn't vote, my option is not available. I will be getting it on release since it is out on PS3 which means I don't have to pay $400-500 for a new console to get it. Even at $60 I am sure my $ to hour of fun ratio will be much less than $1 per hour, where else can you have fun that cheap 👍

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

The physics.

 

[Ills1999]

So basically what you're saying is that DLC is a way to rip off consumers. That's a rather ignorant point of view. The cost for developing games increases exponentially for each new generation, but meanwhile the retail price of the games has not had the same development. To release additional DLC is simply a way to profit on the games they're making. Without profit there's no business.

The other option would be to sell the game at a much higher price, but would people be prepared to pay that kind of money for a game?

You also have the subscription option, where you have to pay a monthly fee to play a game.

Out of these options I find DLC to be the best, because it's optional, it adds content to the game and each transaction is so small that it's easily affordable. Just compare with other things you spend money on each month...

When it comes to development of DLC, why would they have to start making the DLC when the game is shipped? If it takes 2 month for one team to make one batch of DLC, why not start one month before the game is released so that the DLC is ready one month after the release? With two teams making DLC they could easily release new DLC each month, and none of it would be content that had been withheld from the original release.

Time to take off the tin-foil hats and look at DLC from a realistic point of view.

You sidestepped the issue which was brought up, that PD has already spent the development dollars and is using a distribution model which parcels out that product over time in order to get more consumer dollars.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but nearly half of America is now living at or below the poverty line and gaming is definitely a luxury, not a necessity.

A better analogy would be that you used to get cheese and bacon in the $5 and now they sell you them as extras later.

Bingo.

 

[NCRthree]

Easy decision. It's on PS3. Cheap investment. Better and hopefully more realistic physics is my #1 priority.

If it was on PS4, I'd have to weigh the pros and cons of switching over to Xbox.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Well a combination of it being on the PS3 and the new physics.

 

[Feldynn]

So basically what you're saying is that DLC is a way to rip off consumers. That's a rather ignorant point of view. The cost for developing games increases exponentially for each new generation, but meanwhile the retail price of the games has not had the same development. To release additional DLC is simply a way to profit on the games they're making. Without profit there's no business.

The other option would be to sell the game at a much higher price, but would people be prepared to pay that kind of money for a game?

It's not an entirely invalid point though, don't get me wrong I'm not saying that every company is out to rip off consumers with their DLC but there are some that seem to perhaps misuse it a little. From what paid DLC we got in GT5 so far as I remember the pricing seemed fairly good for what you got.

Other companies less so, take a look at CodeMaster's recent Grid 2 release. I don't know how it went for consoles but for PC there was a pretty hefty preorder bonus DLC and a $5 game discount on Steam. Come launch day all that preodrer content is then made available for purchase but at almost half the cost of the game itself, so what was free for preordering is now just under $24 (and it doesn't seem that great value for money content wise either). I'm all for preorder bonuses and selling them as DLC for those that didn't get them but that just seems a little bit off to me.

EA did something similar with Sims 3 on the PC (and probably other games too) when it launched but it wasn't preorder content, instead on Day One of launch they suddenly had an online store packed with probably $20 or more of additional DLC. The funny thing was the game itself seemed slightly lacking for basic content in certain areas, but there it was up for sale on their store page.

Not every company does things like that with DLC, most are usually reasonably priced for what you get from what I've experienced.

But anyway, back to topic! My GT6 purchase will be based on a number of factors, some included in the poll and others not. For example I've always found GT games give me "something" that others just don't so that's a plus, then there's the new game engine and physics models (they found a way to better use the hardware and rework the physics to provide a better / more realistic experience, that to me is quite significant).

Things like the customisation options, livery editor and advanced tuning would be nice but aren't necessarily deal breaking features for me if they're not fully implemented in the exact way I might want.

 

[BoneSawTX]

Will it be fun, based on that.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

My vote option is not available but I will consider purchasing GT6 now that the standards can be taken to the photo travel mode and can be customized. Basically removing the restrictions from standards that ruined them in GT5. Still a bit disappointed standards in the game at all but at least they are usable. I realize some wont have interiors but maybe those will be updated later and those are hopefully a very small portion of the game.

Now lets how they resolve the used car dealership issue too. Having to filter through 800 (80%) cars buy random..just plain sucks.

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

I'm buying it merely because there are no other good racing games that have came out since 2010. So this is just an upgrade.
I'm buying it no matter what

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I'm buying it merely because there are no other good racing games that have came out since 2010. So this is just an upgrade.
I'm buying it no matter what

I hope you're just talking about the PS3, because in that case, I agree with you.

My purchase is based on hopes that the carrer mode, online, and car customization has been improved.

 

[IceMan PJN]

I don't have a poll option that quite fits me. I went with the last option, but I'm not a fanboy. Anybody that has spent any time here knows I've always been critical of the shortcomings of the series. However, at the bottom line I generally like GT still so I will still get GT6.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You sidestepped the issue which was brought up, that PD has already spent the development dollars and is using a distribution model which parcels out that product over time in order to get more consumer dollars.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but nearly half of America is now living at or below the poverty line and gaming is definitely a luxury, not a necessity.

Bingo.

It's called business, get used to it. A ripoff is where you don't get all that you were promised through advertising when you purchase a product. So unless PD says there are 45 tracks and you only get 35, or they say there are 1200 cars and there are only 1075, then you didn't get ripped off you got what you paid for. Businesses are in the business of making money. If they feel they can sell additional tracks and cars they already have in the can, then they will. If enough people who purchase the game don't feel the DLC is worth the money they won't buy it and PD will have to try something else to boost revenue, perhaps increasing the sale price of future games. The days of buying a game and getting the whole game from the start are done.

By the way, America's poverty level is irrelevant to the discussion. The audience for the GT series is worldwide, and for the most part, the world is just fine economically, including America.

 

[Ills1999]

It's called business, get used to it. A ripoff is where you don't get all that you were promised through advertising when you purchase a product. So unless PD says there are 45 tracks and you only get 35, or they say there are 1200 cars and there are only 1075, then you didn't get ripped off you got what you paid for. Businesses are in the business of making money. If they feel they can sell additional tracks and cars they already have in the can, then they will. If enough people who purchase the game don't feel the DLC is worth the money they won't buy it and PD will have to try something else to boost revenue, perhaps increasing the sale price of future games. The days of buying a game and getting the whole game from the start are done.

By the way, America's poverty level is irrelevant to the discussion. The audience for the GT series is worldwide, and for the most part, the world is just fine economically, including America.

The fact that you're a capitalist and don't see the failings of the model does not prove that the model is the best model available, nor does it hold sway over me.

The system is failing, of course the poverty rate is relevant to the discussion, considering that the person to whom I'm responding took it upon himself to call someone ignorant then proceeded to propagate his ideological dogma as some sort of "proof"

That you can type the highlighted portion with what I assume is a straight face is frankly sad, there are all sorts of metrics which demonstrate that you're wrong and are projecting your faith in capitalism as a 'healthy economy'.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-its-creeping-toward-75-0

Seems people are rioting all over Europe, I suppose that's just my imagination.

 

[BoneSawTX]

The fact that you're a capitalist and don't see the failings of the model does not prove that the model is the best model available, nor does it hold sway over me.

The system is failing, of course the poverty rate is relevant to the discussion, considering that the person to whom I'm responding took it upon himself to call someone ignorant then proceeded to propagate his ideological dogma as some sort of "proof"

That you can type the highlighted portion with what I assume is a straight face is frankly sad, there are all sorts of metrics which demonstrate that you're wrong and are projecting your faith in capitalism as a 'healthy economy'.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-its-creeping-toward-75-0

Seems people are rioting all over Europe, I suppose that's just my imagination.

Then don't buy the game. They are telling you what you are getting for $60, the game will operate and play just fine without the DLC. You can say what ever you want till your blue in the face but times change. DLC is here to stay because people want more after the game comes out thanks to being able to connect to the internet.

As for this planed DLC, where is the proof it is ready to go day of release?

 

[phillgt2002]

Tracks and mainly physics. I'm not anticipating buying a next gen console for a while. I need something to tide me over because my wallet is in pain.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The fact that you're a capitalist and don't see the failings of the model does not prove that the model is the best model available, nor does it hold sway over me.

The system is failing, of course the poverty rate is relevant to the discussion, considering that the person to whom I'm responding took it upon himself to call someone ignorant then proceeded to propagate his ideological dogma as some sort of "proof"

That you can type the highlighted portion with what I assume is a straight face is frankly sad, there are all sorts of metrics which demonstrate that you're wrong and are projecting your faith in capitalism as a 'healthy economy'.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/real-numbers-half-america-poverty-and-its-creeping-toward-75-0

Seems people are rioting all over Europe, I suppose that's just my imagination.

The poverty rate in the U.S. has nothing to do with PD policy or production of the game. End of story.

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

I hope you're just talking about the PS3, because in that case, I agree with you.

My purchase is based on hopes that the carrer mode, online, and car customization has been improved.

yeah yeah I am talking about PS3 only. There are soooo many beautiful racing games on the PC but I just don't have the money right now to buy a whole new computer and make sure everything on it (graphics card, processor, etc) is updated with modern technology/games.
so for now I'm just settling with a PS3. but I will definitely get some PC racing games going sometime in the future when I graduate from college

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

For me; improved physics, some new cars, and hopefully more events in A-Spec mode. GT5's A-Spec career was too short.

 

[Ills1999]

Then don't buy the game. They are telling you what you are getting for $60, the game will operate and play just fine without the DLC. You can say what ever you want till your blue in the face but times change. DLC is here to stay because people want more after the game comes out thanks to being able to connect to the internet.

As for this planed DLC, where is the proof it is ready to go day of release?

As I said earlier in the thread, I will buy the game used, I don't support corporate control over our culture.

I will also defend the community member who took exception to being nickel and dimed through the DLC model against being called 'ignorant'.
In the Capitalist model, it's the DUTY of the consumer to provide as much RESISTANCE as possible against paying too much for a good or service as much as it's the duty of the business to try and extract as much from the consumer for the delivery of said good or service.
This is the nature of the free market, I'm surprised at all the pro-business and pro-corporate apologists who somehow forget this central tenant of capitalism.

 

[Ills1999]

The poverty rate in the U.S. has nothing to do with PD policy or production of the game. End of story.

Golly, you sure told me.

Tracks and mainly physics. I'm not anticipating buying a next gen console for a while. I need something to tide me over because my wallet is in pain.

My decision to buy GT6 will be based on user reviews, gamereviews, price of the game and most important: it should be far better than GT5.
If I get feeling it's GT5.5, not GT6 I leave it in shelf till price drops under 15 euros.

I would have to say that the fact that it's being released on the PS3 is one of the main reasons for me buying GT6 and not Forza 5, as it means to me that I don't have to buy a new console and a compatible wheel just to play Forza 5 (my current wheel is a Fanatec GT3 RS V2 which is PC/PS3 only).