What's your ranking?

[blindsidefive0]

I don't think anybody in the NE will have a better chance than any other player going into the final. I few tenths in a TT is not a big deal when it comes to actually racing other people.

I'm just pissed a didn't start sooner, gt academy is my first time playing a sim racer with a wheel, I played gt3 and have had some seat time in real life but that was years and years ago. I would love to make it but I can tell it will be really hard for me. I can get into the top ten but the top five is another story. All I can hope for is a long track.....or three : ).

Honestly, I disagree - notably fix, zissou, 3wide, and gar (if he's not actually 12 years old) have shown they can put up fast times nearly instantly...as in top 5-8 times nationally. That means that in a real race they can get up to speed faster than other competitors. Other regions have a few guys like that, but if anything it evens out as time goes by. The Northeast seemed to dominate day 1 after each round 2 update...and not just because of the time zone differences.

 

[manhorsedog]

I see your point but being in the SE I noticed we have a few sandbaggers that don't really try till later in the week, they also happen to be blazing fast. Really only time will tell, anything can happen when you can't reset.

Also I guess I was thinking more about how races work in the real world, just because you take the poll that doesn't mean your gonna finish first.

Or maybe it's just wishful thinking ; )

 

[Dragon_Dude]

Yep the NE is full of very fast dudes, no doubt about it! I sandbagged the 1st round and didn't care what position I came in, I don't care about the gift prizes I already have better sim equipment than what they were giving away. On Friday night on my 1st attempt I ended up at position 19...checked in on sat and was in the 40's! Did some laps and got down to 25 before hanging it up for the day, at that time I was .5 seconds overall from position 16 and feeling pretty confident that Sunday morning I would bust into top 16 only to find they cancelled...ugh! Round 3 is gonna be very tight if I were to surmise by how close the top 30 times were before they cancelled. Good luck to all the fair and respectable drivers whenever we do start up. (Note all rankings NE region)

 

[Z1NONLY]

I was 4th on Rome (SE) the first night. Woke up to 12th before going to the track all day IRL. Came home Saturday night and was sitting in the low 20's. But the times were pretty tight so I left Rome alone for Saturday night.

I was spent from a day at the track, but downed some caffeine and went back to it. Madrid was kicking my @$$ before I found the E-brake sat night and relearned. (Think I was in the high 50's)

When I stopped playing Saturday, I was 23rd at Madrid, but saw that I was bumped back to 27th before bed. 29th overall for the SE. The last two corners needed a lot of work and resolved to do what I could after I got home Sunday.

It never occurred to my that my ghost might be using the wall to get into and out of the the last corner so fast. -Still not sure. I had intended to "study" some in-car after I finished at the track Sunday, but didn't bother after I saw the announcement.

 

[Rush09]

Where could I find the rankings? Is there a link?

 

[fizzer]

How bout they take the top 16 from the Northeast, and the top 5.333 from the other regions to satisfy the top 32 requirement?

Honestly, I don't understand why they have regions at all. Its a competition for the whole US, just take the top 32 in the whole country. So what if 25 are from the northeast

 

[scir16v]

Honestly, I don't understand why they have regions at all. Its a competition for the whole US, just take the top 32 in the whole country. So what if 25 are from the northeast

They want a sectioned demographic of the us as a whole. They don't want just one region of people.

 

[Camasi]

Honestly, I disagree - notably fix, zissou, 3wide, and gar (if he's not actually 12 years old) have shown they can put up fast times nearly instantly...as in top 5-8 times nationally. That means that in a real race they can get up to speed faster than other competitors. Other regions have a few guys like that, but if anything it evens out as time goes by. The Northeast seemed to dominate day 1 after each round 2 update...and not just because of the time zone differences.

It does not at all. There are a lot of things different in a real race car that some people never fully transfer their sim racing skills to. Unless of course your meaning in a GT5 race

 

[blindsidefive0]

It does not at all. There are a lot of things different in a real race car that some people never fully transfer their sim racing skills to. Unless of course your meaning in a GT5 race

I mean GT5 race.

For all we know, #5741 is the fastest IRL racer in the whole competition...

 

[fizzer]

They want a sectioned demographic of the us as a whole. They don't want just one region of people.

I dunno, fast is fast and demographics don't vary all that much region to region. We're mostly all young adults who spend way too much time thinking about and driving (real and simulated) cars in ways that would scare the pants off the general populous

I'm just bitter because I'm in the toughest region, but really I'll suck it up and try by best to be in the top 8 - complaining isn't going to do any good at this point.

 

[GT Motion]

I don't think anybody in the NE will have a better chance than any other player going into the final. I few tenths in a TT is not a big deal when it comes to actually racing other people.

+1

In a real race a few tenths is nothing, you are always in striking distance. Also, in TT's the fast guys are not running those exact same fast lap every lap. Consistency is huge, so in a race you will not be pushing 10/10s, you will be more conservative in some areas where you are unsure the limit.

I think its going to come down to who can adapt to the new hardware they will be using, who will be able to be consistent, who can deal with pressure, who can handle traffic well, who can defend properly and pass well. The race is going to be a completely different competition, especially when you consider drafting, there wont be much of a gap when in a close race with someone, even if they were a few tenths faster in the TT's.

In the end of this competition, its not who is the fastest hot lapper, its who can post a competitive time, then perform well in a race. Thats what will make it to Silverstone. I can gurantee if the fastest hot lapper doesn't make it, he is going to whine that he deserves it since he is the fastest TT guy, but if he can't perform in a race then he is not what they are looking for.

The only thing we can compare here are real race qualifying results (fastest laps) with race results. Here is a list from the 2010 ALMS Mosport qualifying and race. Of course they are in real cars, and have separate real life issues that sometimes come into play, but for the most part racing is racing and you can see here how the results can change. In this case the leader was able to get away and hold the victory, look at all the rest of the positions though, it shows how a race changes so much.

Look at the qualifying results, then check the race results and look at how many changes there are in the final result. The colored numbers on the right of the race result show how their positions changed from qualifying.

Mobil 1 presents Grand Prix of Mosport
Mosport International Raceway, Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Saturday’s Qualifying

1. Romain Dumas (LMP), 1:06.956
2. Chris Dyson (LMP), 1:07.142
3. David Brabham (LMP), 1:07.228
4. Paul Drayson (LMP), 1:07.482
5. Tony Burgess (LMP), 1:08.117
6. Ricardo Gonzalez (LMPC), 1:11.455
7. Christian Zugel (LMPC), 1:12.013
8. Elton Julian (LMPC), 1:12.073
9. Kyle Marcelli (LMPC), 1:12.239
10. Scott Tucker (LMPC), 1:12.260
11. Jaime Melo (GT), 1:17.160
12. Joerg Bergmeister (GT), 1:17.461
13. Bill Auberlen (GT), 1:17.491
14. Jan Magnussen (GT), 1:17.668
15. Scott Sharp (GT), 1:17.726
16. Olivier Beretta (GT), 1:17.794
17. Dirk Mueller (GT), 1:17.841
18. Bryan Sellers (GT), 1:18.469
19. David Robertson (GT), 1:18.502
20. Marc Goossens (GT), 1:19.099
21. Ed Brown (GT), 1:21.771
22. Darren Law (GT), 1:21.798
23. Scott Tucker (LMPC), 1:22.081
24. Bryce Miller (GTC), 1:22.495
25. Tim Pappas (GTC), 1:22.598
26. Shane Lewis (GTC), 1:22.911
27. Henri Richard (GTC), 1:23.211
28. Bill Sweedler (GTC), 1:23.324
29. Jon Field (LMP), No Time.

Mobil 1 presents the Grand Prix of Mosport
Mosport International Raceway, Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Sunday’s results

1. (1) Romain Dumas (1, LMP) +0
2. (3) David Brabham (2, LMP) +1
3. (5) Tony Burgess (3, LMP) +2
4. (8) Elton Julian (1, LMPC) +4
5. (10) Scott Tucker (2, LMPC) +5
6. (4) Paul Drayson (4, LMP) -2
7. (2) Chris Dyson (5, LMP) -5
8. (7) Christian Zugel (3, LMPC) -1
9. (21) Andy Wallace (4, LMPC) +12
10. (6) Ricardo Gonzalez (5, LMPC) -4
11. (11) Patrick Long (1, GT) +0
12. (28) Toni Vilander (2, GT) +16
13. (12) Bill Auberlen (3, GT) -1
14. (13) Oliver Gavin (4, GT) -1
15. (15) Johnny O`Connell (5, GT) +0
16. (14) Scott Sharp (6, GT) -2
17. (9) Kyle Marcelli (6, LMPC)-8
18. (17) Bryan Sellers (7, GT) -1
19. (20) Ed Brown (8, GT) +1
20. (27) Seth Neiman (9, GT) +7
21. (19) Paul Gentilozzi (10, GT) -2
22. (24) Shane Lewis (1, GTC) +2
23. (23) Tim Pappas (2, GTC) +0
24. (25) Bill Sweedler (3, GTC) -1
25. (22) Bryce Miller (4, GTC) -3
26. (16) Joey Hand (11, GT) -10
27. (18) David Murry (12, GT) -9
28. (26) Jon Field (6, LMP) -2
29. (29) Henri Richard (5, GTC) +0

 

[zr1chris]

+1

In a real race a few tenths is nothing, you are always in striking distance. Also, in TT's the fast guys are not running those exact same fast lap every lap. Consistency is huge, so in a race you will not be pushing 10/10s, you will be more conservative in some areas where you are unsure the limit.

I think its going to come down to who can adapt to the new hardware they will be using, who will be able to be consistent, who can deal with pressure, who can handle traffic well, who can defend properly and pass well. The race is going to be a completely different competition, especially when you consider drafting, there wont be much of a gap when in a close race with someone, even if they were a few tenths faster in the TT's.

In the end of this competition, its not who is the fastest hot lapper, its who can post a competitive time, then perform well in a race. Thats what will make it to Silverstone. I can gurantee if the fastest hot lapper doesn't make it, he is going to whine that he deserves it since he is the fastest TT guy, but if he can't perform in a race then he is not what they are looking for.

The only thing we can compare here are real race qualifying results (fastest laps) with race results. Here is a list from the 2010 ALMS Mosport qualifying and race. Of course they are in real cars, and have separate real life issues that sometimes come into play, but for the most part racing is racing and you can see here how the results can change. In this case the leader was able to get away and hold the victory, look at all the rest of the positions though, it shows how a race changes so much.

Look at the qualifying results, then check the race results and look at how many changes there are in the final result. The colored numbers on the right of the race result show how their positions changed from qualifying.

Mobil 1 presents Grand Prix of Mosport
Mosport International Raceway, Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Saturday’s Qualifying

1. Romain Dumas (LMP), 1:06.956
2. Chris Dyson (LMP), 1:07.142
3. David Brabham (LMP), 1:07.228
4. Paul Drayson (LMP), 1:07.482
5. Tony Burgess (LMP), 1:08.117
6. Ricardo Gonzalez (LMPC), 1:11.455
7. Christian Zugel (LMPC), 1:12.013
8. Elton Julian (LMPC), 1:12.073
9. Kyle Marcelli (LMPC), 1:12.239
10. Scott Tucker (LMPC), 1:12.260
11. Jaime Melo (GT), 1:17.160
12. Joerg Bergmeister (GT), 1:17.461
13. Bill Auberlen (GT), 1:17.491
14. Jan Magnussen (GT), 1:17.668
15. Scott Sharp (GT), 1:17.726
16. Olivier Beretta (GT), 1:17.794
17. Dirk Mueller (GT), 1:17.841
18. Bryan Sellers (GT), 1:18.469
19. David Robertson (GT), 1:18.502
20. Marc Goossens (GT), 1:19.099
21. Ed Brown (GT), 1:21.771
22. Darren Law (GT), 1:21.798
23. Scott Tucker (LMPC), 1:22.081
24. Bryce Miller (GTC), 1:22.495
25. Tim Pappas (GTC), 1:22.598
26. Shane Lewis (GTC), 1:22.911
27. Henri Richard (GTC), 1:23.211
28. Bill Sweedler (GTC), 1:23.324
29. Jon Field (LMP), No Time.

Mobil 1 presents the Grand Prix of Mosport
Mosport International Raceway, Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Sunday’s results

1. (1) Romain Dumas (1, LMP) +0
2. (3) David Brabham (2, LMP) +1
3. (5) Tony Burgess (3, LMP) +2
4. (8) Elton Julian (1, LMPC) +4
5. (10) Scott Tucker (2, LMPC) +5
6. (4) Paul Drayson (4, LMP) -2
7. (2) Chris Dyson (5, LMP) -5
8. (7) Christian Zugel (3, LMPC) -1
9. (21) Andy Wallace (4, LMPC) +12
10. (6) Ricardo Gonzalez (5, LMPC) -4
11. (11) Patrick Long (1, GT) +0
12. (28) Toni Vilander (2, GT) +16
13. (12) Bill Auberlen (3, GT) -1
14. (13) Oliver Gavin (4, GT) -1
15. (15) Johnny O`Connell (5, GT) +0
16. (14) Scott Sharp (6, GT) -2
17. (9) Kyle Marcelli (6, LMPC)-8
18. (17) Bryan Sellers (7, GT) -1
19. (20) Ed Brown (8, GT) +1
20. (27) Seth Neiman (9, GT) +7
21. (19) Paul Gentilozzi (10, GT) -2
22. (24) Shane Lewis (1, GTC) +2
23. (23) Tim Pappas (2, GTC) +0
24. (25) Bill Sweedler (3, GTC) -1
25. (22) Bryce Miller (4, GTC) -3
26. (16) Joey Hand (11, GT) -10
27. (18) David Murry (12, GT) -9
28. (26) Jon Field (6, LMP) -2
29. (29) Henri Richard (5, GTC) +0

There is a few things about these lists that doesnt make any sense. where did you get this info from? Examples of what i mean are Scott Tucker is on the qualifying list twice (23rd and 10th) also it says Andy Wallace finished 9th from a 21st starting spot and his name is nowhere on the qualifying order. Am I missing something??

 

[GT Motion]

There is a few things about these lists that doesnt make any sense. where did you get this info from? Examples of what i mean are Scott Tucker is on the qualifying list twice (23rd and 10th) also it says Andy Wallace finished 9th from a 21st starting spot and his name is nowhere on the qualifying order. Am I missing something??

I googled ALMS Race Results and Qualifying Results and that was the first race I found that had both listed. I copied and pasted the viable information. It looks like there were multiple drivers listed, I did a quick copy and paste and didn't notice it. The end result though still gets the point across that I was trying to make.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-143573.html

If you want, just use this F1 example, I don't really like using F1 as an example because so many times teams make dominant cars, but even in this result you can see how the top qualifier didn't hold up in a race. As always in F1 though the top 5 are usually the same guys, not always because of driver but mostly because of car. (good example is Button going from bad car to good car then becoming WDC)

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/824/

 

[zr1chris]

I googled ALMS Race Results and Qualifying Results and that was the first race I found that had both listed. I copied and pasted the viable information. It looks like there were multiple drivers listed, I did a quick copy and paste and didn't notice it. The end result though still gets the point across that I was trying to make.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-143573.html

Ok, looking at that link i think i get it now. There are 2 drivers for each car and Scott Tucker actually drove 2 cars.

 

[blindsidefive0]

@GT - I get your point, and I agree with you for the most part - however, I do think there will be a bit of correlation between top time trialers and top racers.

As for your example, that's tough to compare - I believe the race you are referring to is almost 3 hours long, which means that mechanical dependability and team strategy can have more to do with finishing place than driving ability. Guys experiencing large drops, specifically a prototype car falling behind a GT car, does not necessarily show a lack of racer ability, but more likely a mechanical issue or crash during the race.

 

[GT Motion]

@GT - I get your point, and I agree with you for the most part - however, I do think there will be a bit of correlation between top time trialers and top racers.

As for your example, that's tough to compare - I believe the race you are referring to is almost 3 hours long, which means that mechanical dependability and team strategy can have more to do with finishing place than driving ability. Guys experiencing large drops, specifically a prototype car falling behind a GT car, does not necessarily show a lack of racer ability, but more likely a mechanical issue or crash during the race.

I was just grabbing a quick example of how things can change in a race, there are thousands of race examples I could find and all have different variables with driver skill, cars etc.

The point I was trying to make was that even the fastest TT guy can have one slip up and cost him the race. Imagine if you are following Choate and Choate accidentally clips the wall bouncing him back into the track, hitting you then the pack fly's right by the both of you and you can't catch back up. Anything can happen.

 

[blindsidefive0]

I was just grabbing a quick example of how things can change in a race, there are thousands of race examples I could find and all have different variables with driver skill, cars etc.

The point I was trying to make was that even the fastest TT guy can have one slip up and cost him the race. Imagine if you are following Choate and Choate accidentally clips the wall bouncing him back into the track, hitting you then the pack fly's right by the both of you and you can't catch back up. Anything can happen.

I totally agree, and I love your example for 2 reasons.

1 - Choate likes to pretend he's on Rt. 128 when driving against me in the John Deere Club
2 - that EXACT thing happened to me in a go-kart final. The guy ahead of me messed up his line, hit a wall, bounced off, spun me, and then 4-5 karts hit me at full speed disabling my kart. Game over.

However, the format for Orlando (multiple races per round, 4 drivers per race) actually sets it up so there should be less shinangians compared to your typical 1 lap race with a 12 car field in an online lobby.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I'm just wondering if the LAN physics will be the same as offline due to the 0 ping. First time I used the internet play was actually this Monday night and it seemed like the engine is slacking off on the physics online. Less grip and minor input lag with a dash of my frame rate pissing itself @ turn 1 of Suzuka.

 

[blindsidefive0]

I'm just wondering if the LAN physics will be the same as offline due to the 0 ping. First time I used the internet play was actually this Monday night and it seemed like the engine is slacking off on the physics online. Less grip and minor input lag with a dash of my frame rate pissing itself @ turn 1 of Suzuka.

Don't forget about "enhanced" drafting online. Forcednduckshn has described it as a gravitational pull...

 

[Forcednduckshn]

Don't forget about "enhanced" drafting online. Forcednduckshn has described it as a gravitational pull...

Or maybe a Klingon tractor beam?

 

[Choate51]

1 - Choate likes to pretend he's on Rt. 128 when driving against me in the John Deere Club

Pretend! I miss the ole' 128 and driving in the breakdown lane.......

Racecraft will determine the top 16 more than their speed. So far my greatest challenges in online racing has been where everyone is very fast and then pressure is put on them in the form of money or prizes. When you add stress to any situation it will change how a person reacts. I think my previous sports and racing experience has prepared me well for big time events but we shall see.

For example, I have seen scratch handicap golfers shoot in the mid 80's because there was $20 riding on the match. Pressure will mess with the mind man.....

 

[blindsidefive0]

Pretend! I miss the ole' 128 and driving in the breakdown lane.......

Pressure will mess with the mind man.....

They added a lane to 128N, so now you can go 5 wide w/ the break down lane...just hope you don't actually break down. Speed limits optional since there's no where for the staties to squat...or pull you over at all - just go w/ the flow.

As a practicing ninja, I have extraordinary mind control.

 

[Dapper]

Racing in the final in Orlando really means little. For example, two races in a row the other night I went from the front to last because of a guy behind me. Therefore, the guy sitting on pole is at a disadvantage. Accompany that with the super draft and skill is rather null. Being able to time the last straight for a pass, blocking ability, and the ability to not get ran over will win races. None of which have much to do with real racing.

Of course they might have different draft affects For the finals and invisi-cars on turn one, then it may depend on actual ability, but that is a big might.

 

[GT Motion]

As a practicing ninja, I have extraordinary mind control.

I have brought my secret weapon, brain control.

 

[blindsidefive0]

Racing in the final in Orlando really means little. For example, two races in a row the other night I went from the front to last because of a guy behind me. Therefore, the guy sitting on pole is at a disadvantage. Accompany that with the super draft and skill is rather null. Being able to time the last straight for a pass, blocking ability, and the ability to not get ran over will win races. None of which have much to do with real racing.

Of course they might have different draft affects For the finals and invisi-cars on turn one, then it may depend on actual ability, but that is a big might.

I feel your pain. Hopefully the 4 car fields will help even this out, and make it so you can't just draft your way up a field of 12 cars. However, it is likely that it could be a crap shoot between the 2 or 3 drivers that don't go flying off the track at some point during the race. Also the judges could keep things "cleaner."

...and of course you won't have Stig running backwards trying to take out the leaders.

 

[blindsidefive0]

I have brought my secret weapon, brain control.

is brain control > mind control?

 

[Choate51]

In Orlando the strategy should be don't finish last. Since it's last one in each group eliminated wins don't mean a lot. Finishing at least 3rd should be the goal. I can't wait until the guys in 1-2 take each other out with a lap to go and the guys behind pass em. That will happen more then once in Orlando.

 

[blindsidefive0]

Just wait until the 3rd race of any given round...when the guy in 4th doesn't have a whole lot to lose.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I think with 0 ping and only 4 cars the turn 1 banging won't be a problem.
Also staying on track is probably going to be everyone's #1 concern given that having a spin or landing in a sand trap is the easiest and most common way to lose.

 

[GT Motion]

is brain control > mind control?

Fast forward to 6:33, the brain controls the mind. Brain control > mind control.