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Not until saturday đź‘Ť Thank you.

This is not just meant for you TJC, But is someone not allowed to post a time they achieved, and then prove it later? Is that mentioned in the AUP? I don't think so.

God Damn.................
 
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Not until saturday đź‘Ť Thank you.

Nope , you just don't add up ...
All these claims you've made just don't stack . Something very fishy about you , therefore your word on this site and community means jack in my eyes .

All the genuine racers on here can provide validity to their claims , one way or the other . You remind me of a slimy worm, wriggling from point to point ..

You're not on the level of these guys here , and I will take great pleasure in destroying you ... ;)
 
I can't wait. But from how you talk, you seem to be a tad slower then them, so i think you would be considered... Light work.

They will be a challenge, you don't seam to be much of a threat. Make sure you remember the rules to our agreement. Cya sunday.
 
I can't wait. But from how you talk, you seem to be a tad slower then them, so i think you would be considered... Light work. They will be a challenge, you don't seam to be much of a threat. Make sure you remember the rules to our agreement. Cya sunday.

Maybe you should stop writing cheques your body can't cash and get online right now ?

Or one of your account share minions ... doesn't matter which to me kiddo ;)
 
For real? If i can't access a PS3 to upload a replay until saturday, how would i run a race before that time?

I doubt you would notice this without it being pointed out for you so here you go.

That was a rhetorical question.
 
For real? If i can't access a PS3 to upload a replay until saturday, how would i run a race before that time?

Gimme a minion then , im not fussy ...

Or should I say .. You , but when I crush you and you ragequit , it's gonna be you pretending to be someone else ....

Im waiting ...
 
Another day, another heated exchange of words ... come on guys, let's chill, here watch another video of pad driving :

Cobra 427 at Cote D' Azure, 1:44.776


Now this will be very hard to do with a wheel, 427 Cobra is a handful car, especially with max FFB :) built up those arm :lol:
 
No..... Openly state why, please :) I want to hear your motive/reasons.

If you have trouble reading English , I would suggest you try reading slower ...

You're gonna dare to suggest I lack speed on GTP, then you'd better get online and back it up .

Get one of your account sharers online and they can tell you how fast I am if your story is true ...

That was my point . You follow now Andretti ?
 
Your being foolish, posting useless comments, and try and play it off like i am stupid?

They don't even play GT5, They would be off the track 40% of the time. I'm not really worried about how fast you are. Listen to Ridox, lets argue another day. Relax man. You will get your shot to put me in my place :)
 
Ridox you actually use X and Square for brakes and gas? Thats crazy...

Circle and triangle actually, x is for ebrake and square for reverse :) and it was done with no ABS and BB 9/4, I doubt with the same setting, a wheel driver can do it without any drama:sly:
 
TJ - he has said right from the start that he can't get to a Ps3 til Saturday. How about we give it a break until then?
 
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Another day, another heated exchange of words ... come on guys, let's chill, here watch another video of pad driving :

Cobra 427 at Cote D' Azure, 1:44.776
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpufKle5p8g">YouTube Link</a>

Now this will be very hard to do with a wheel, 427 Cobra is a handful car, especially with max FFB :) built up those arm :lol:

Bone stock or moded?

And would you mind sending the exact car? Reason i am asking this. Is because i want to try to get either really close or beat the time on my wheel. See i don't do tuning battles really anymore. But if you want me to be interested in trying to decide if a wheel is slower or faster I would rather try with the exact same car.


Also one note I forgot is another car which of course I am offering another bone stock from the factory car comparison between the wheel and controller. The Lexus IS-F is a lot harder to control on a controller. A good friend of mine has always hated the huge under-steer feeling he gets with it on his controller (he is a really good racer on it too). The car to me feels balanced and is a great feeling car on the wheel. I don't know if you guys understand why I keep asking to try the car or why I keep mentioning stock cars. But i feel it would be a better comparison between the wheel and controller instead of two completely different tunes.
 
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Bone stock or moded?

Stock power, the only allowed mods are LSD, suspension and transmission, it was a test run for a tuning shootout - FITT Azure Cobra Shootout, here is the tune of the car in the video :

Send me FR to test the car :) and here it is my tune for the shootout :

Shelby Cobra 427 '66

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Paint : Gobi Beige
Distance : 184.x miles
PP : 543
Power : 509 HP

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Parts Installed​

Fully Customizable Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit

Suspension F/R
Ride Height : -15 / 11
Spring Rate : 7.0 / 7.4
Damper Ext : 8 / 7
Damper Comp : 7 / 7
Anti Roll Bars : 4 / 3
Camber : 0.7 / 0.3
Toe Angle : 0.08 / 0.32

LSD
Initial Torque : 55
Acceleration : 24
Braking : 25

Brake Balance : 9 / 4

Transmission :
1st : 3.000
2nd : 2.000
3rd : 1.500
4th : 1.200
5th : 1.000
Final : 3.475
Top Speed : 174 mph on slider, 167 mph on graph

Tires : Sports Soft

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This tune is a hybrid of real life car set up and my own tuning in GT5, gearbox is based on Richmond 5 speed. I've managed to get 1:44.4xx at Cote D' Azure with smoking slides on almost every tight turns :dopey:

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ENJOY THE FUN



The tires is Sports Soft :) and tune used by the car in the video gets the worst points for handling, most wheels users have a hard time taming it, even more so with no ABS. Here is a review done by a wheel user and the host himself :

Controller type:
DFGT
Sensitivity or Feedback: 7
Tyre wear: off
Grip: Real

I will try several BB settings for each car to try to get the best brake / throttle harmony. I will try ABS 0, but only for a few laps.

Ridox:
Best lap:
1:44.818
ABS: 1, BB: 3/1
Notes:
First thought: how can anyone drive like this? If I even look at the brakes wrong (stock) they lock up and I just slide. Only about 7% of my brake pedal is useful, any more and they lock up. Its not even worth trying a complete lap on the stock settings. I can't feed the brakes, it's more like: nothing, somewhere between 20% and 80%, lock. Why not use the entire pedal. I don't mind being able to lock the brakes when I want to, I just want the lock to be around 90% to 100% of the pedal travel, not at 8%. Just for s'n'gs I stopped the car and tried to press the pedal as little as possible. The on screen braking indicator shows a minimum of 20% with a feather light touch.
Adjusted to BB 3/1:
With ABS 0 the car is very difficult to slow down from high speeds. Either I apply to much brake and lock them up early in the corner or pre-corner, which forces me to back off too long while I wait for the tyres to be usable again. Or I overheat them later into the corner just before the apex, either throwing my nose in as the tail swings 'round or, much more likely, my nose goes flying toward the outside of the corner while my tail looks at it stupidly, unable to move.
With ABS 1 the car has a massive amount of under-steer that must be fought at every corner. If I try to go in hot and use the throttle to rotate the car my nose goes flying outside as the back end body slams the front. I would usually just say the front pushes under throttle but that just doesn't convey what this car does. If I go in warm or cool and try to throttle rotate the car my rear doesn't want to over-steer at first, then just as over-steer is initiated the rear tyres go liquid.
I must go into every corner even and measured. No tyre noise is acceptable, because it's far too easy to go from "rrrrrr" to "@#$&!" Only on the tightest (two) corners is over-steer usable and only because over-rotation is usually not hard to recover from and liquid tyres don't matter as much because the next corner is only about 20 feet away. All other corners must be entered cautiously, not so much trying to push through the under-steer as waiting for the car to get straight so I can get back on the throttle.
I can see how this car could work with someone who could use the induced over-steer initiated by trail-braking with ABS 0. I am not this person. When I try induced over-steer (both with and without ABS) either the throttle is too sensitive or the tyres overheat before I can pull back (pre-thermal-ulation?) or the front goes flying toward the outside wall.
After about 12 laps with and without ABS over half my laps are red. My best time so far is 1:44.818. I can't see this car being a contender for the fastest time, corner exit speed is just not there for me. For some reason I like the handling though. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment tonight. I'll spend the rest of the night familiarizing myself with the car and learn it's personality and attitudes. Hopefully I can tame this car and set a decent time before I hit the hay.
The gearing is obtrusive. First is a blip, there and gone, I barely use more than 1,500 rpm before I have to shift back to second. Second is far too long and kills the cars momentum on corner exit. Third and fourth are ok. Fifth is only used once, just as I exit the tunnel and I have to brake feet later.
The massive power disparity between rpm ranges is killing my handling of this car. First gear is very hard to use because it is so short, it's hard not to burn the tyres before I shift up. Even with a properly timed shift when I hit second I'm way down low in the power band and the car takes several seconds (seemingly at least) before I get to third. And before I get there I'll need to lift off or liquidity the tyres with the newly acquired power, the last 2,000 rpm passing in a fraction of the first 2,000. Even in third and fourth I need to pay very close attention to my rpms or risk losing seconds as I wait for my tyres to be usable again.
Because of this power disparity caused by the varying rpm ranges my corner control is $#^&. Every corner I have to judge at every point where I am in the powerband and adjust my steering and throttle accordingly. Repetition and familiarization does not help with this. In most cars, even the stock Cobra, my throttle control graphed looks like gentle rolling hills that plateaus at full throttle. With this car my throttle control looks like a seismograph and I rarely get to use full throttle usefully. I'm usually too busy judging my steering, speed, change in speed, rotation (yaw), tyre temp and environment to worry about trying to ride the 1% line of throttle control between useful full throttle and slamming into a wall suddenly as my tyres go from warm to liquid in 0.001 seconds. This chaotic power control players havoc with my accuracy and predictability is lower than any other car I've driven. In most cars I know where I will be at every moment, or within a foot or two, with this car at corner entrance I have no idea where I'll be at mid corner and corner exit might as well be trying to guess the next bingo ball.
I think the gearing and the power disparity it causes is the #1 problem with this car. The under-steer would be manageable if I didn't have to fight the powerband at every corner.
The car has very little slip range. As soon as the tyres start to heat up they are already red. There is no "ride the slip" in this car. If I ever do manage a drift it is time killing and not at all usable.
Power disparity + no slip at all + understeer = slow car. Any one of these in another car would take it out of contention for the lead. All three makes me think Ridox made the car purposefully hard to control. I promised 80 laps and the rest of the night. After 25 laps I'm done. Best time set on lap 4. I would try more, honestly, but all I would do is find different ways of saying how much I dislike this car and wind up saying something I'd regret the response to.

Now we can see that advantages in wheel does come with certain surprises, with no ABS for example, sometimes a driver could encounter difficult car to drive and getting slower times compared to pad user, not always of course.

Sorry for the long post, just want to be clear.
 
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Stock power, the only allowed mods are LSD, suspension and transmission, it was a test run for a tuning shootout - FITT Azure Cobra Shootout, here is the tune of the car in the video :

The tires is Sports Soft :) and tune used by the car in the video gets the worst points for handling, most wheels users have a hard time taming it, even more so with no ABS. Here is a review done by a wheel user and the host himself :

Now we can see that advantages in wheel does come with certain surprises, with no ABS for example, sometimes a driver could encounter difficult car to drive and getting slower times compared to pad user, not always of course.

Sorry for the long post, just want to be clear.

Ok I'll try this here in a few days I'll let you guys know. Thanks.
 
Another day, another heated exchange of words ... come on guys, let's chill, here watch another video of pad driving :

Cobra 427 at Cote D' Azure, 1:44.776


Now this will be very hard to do with a wheel, 427 Cobra is a handful car, especially with max FFB :) built up those arm :lol:


It should be possible to do a time in 1:40s with no ABS with completely stock Cobra 427 by a top wheel player with them tyres.
 
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It should be possible to do a 1:40 with no ABS with completely stock Cobra 427 by a top wheel player with them tyres.

Yeah, I know that for a stock car it might be easier - my tune kind of make it even harder to tame, and I was referring to my tune which is hard to control with wheel, another fast wheel driver tested the tune and only managed around 1:43.4xx - Praiano63 - done with ABS.

Here my results for the shootout.

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Very nice shootout with a lot of very good cars.

Congratulations to tuners and testers.

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Come to think of it, why don't you give the tune a try, sports soft, and no ABS/ABS is up to you :) I am sure a good wheel driver could beat Praiano63's time.
 
Yeah, I know that for a stock car it might be easier - my tune kind of make it even harder to tame, and I was referring to my tune which is hard to control with wheel, another fast wheel driver tested the tune and only managed around 1:43.4xx - Praiano63 - done with ABS.




Come to think of it, why don't you give the tune a try, sports soft, and no ABS/ABS is up to you :) I am sure a good wheel driver could beat Praiano63's time.
I might do next week, when I have more time. Have you got GT5 updated yet? Anyway, if you got time, why not try it stock and see what time you can do? See if you can get close to 1:40s or 1:41s or 1:42s?
 
I might do next week, when I have more time. Have you got GT5 updated yet? Anyway, if you got time, why not try it stock and see what time you can do? See if you can get close to 1:40s or 1:41s or 1:42s?

Still stuck at 1.07, I am thinking of moving my PS3 to a friend's place and use her internet to download the update :( I kept getting installation error, did everything imaginable, deleting game data, reinstalling, rebuild database, all to no avail .. it works fine with 1.07 now, I am tuning several cars already for Best Motoring tuning shootout :)

I might get into 1:43.xxx with a stock Cobra, but I tend to slide all over the place ... just can resist rear action :scared:
 
Still stuck at 1.07, I am thinking of moving my PS3 to a friend's place and use her internet to download the update :( I kept getting installation error, did everything imaginable, deleting game data, reinstalling, rebuild database, all to no avail .. it works fine with 1.07 now, I am tuning several cars already for Best Motoring tuning shootout :)

I might get into 1:43.xxx with a stock Cobra, but I tend to slide all over the place ... just can resist rear action :scared:
Here is a fast lap with ABS on 1 by Dan:

 
^ I don't think I could match that ... he must be an alien - what a great lap :) where is he now ? I never see him on GTP ...
 
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