White Man: Why Are You Giving Away Your Country?

[mustafur]

It's simply land with a set of rules on it, culture is an ever evolving thing that has no relation to genetics so why does it matter?

Besides America's entire foundation as a country is based on immigration so why does this topic even exist?

 

[dylansan]

What to know what assimilation means? It means Pizza Pie, Saint Patrick's Day, Kung Fu movies, Taco Bell, and a (half-)black President.

Don't forget Rock and Roll, Anime, yoga, lacrosse, Santa Claus, etc.

In music alone, Santana, PSY, Deodato, Nena, ABBA, a-ha, Ace of Base, Vangelis, U2, Falco, Lorde, Jan Hammer, are just a small fraction of foreign musicians who created songs which are undeniably part of American culture.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of all the different architectural styles that arose from different places, from Pueblo to Chateau to Bauhaus to Spanish revival.

America would be a very dull place if we listened to articles like this.

 

[Northstar]

Besides America's entire foundation as a country is based on immigration

Yup, in fact the first pilgrims decided this without even consulting the then-current tenants (who were not white).

Anyways, this article just seems like another race baiting article designed to get clicks while not actually helping anyone accomplish anything meaningful.

 

[KSaiyu]

I think you need nationalism (which America has by the bucketload already), but not white nationalism. The problem for whites is that it's been made hard to separate the two, and they are perhaps the only ethnicity where this is the case. You're unlikely to have a debate on preserving white heritage, purely because it's been "hijacked" by the Far-Right and so can be closed immediately with "RAAAACIIIIST" (see this thread). You see these articles only really circulated on White Nationalist sites since it's very much taboo to "come out" and express such opinions (I assumed you wrote it, but your link is to a WN site - it's a common trick to label the author as non-white then write about white culture. If you're unsure about the site the easiest way to tell is to look at another article with comments and read those).

America is a country of immigrants, and should be proud of that. But it is also a country of predominantly white immigrants, and recognition of their achievements should not be forgotten in the rush to create a homogenous "utopia". Political correctness has made us remember the "bads" of white majority rule far more readily and has skewed the balance.

That said I've seen how ugly these threads can get on other boards, so you're braver than me for posting OP. I'd probably take the link down since it's almost the same as referencing a Stormfront post, and instead explain it in your own words.

 

[HKS racer]

Indeed.

@HKS racer can you tell me what due diligence you did to check the authenticity of what you have just posted? Were you aware of the far right / white supremacist nature of the source? Did you bother to check if this article is even genuine?

I seriously suspect not and what you have done is post a white power tirade up via your eagerness to try and prove that even non-whites secretly know that 'white is right' and that interracial relationships and children are wrong (smart move - your source just called me a race traitor in a slightly polite manner).

I'm off to bed now, you have until tomorrow to show this is genuine or it gets locked, we can do without being a launchpad for the far right, as you seem to be in the process of unwittingly making us (and I hope that its unwittingly).

If you think there's something wrong you can do whatever you want with this thread, it's your site your rules.
At the end of the day, the point of this thread is not who really wrote it, the point is quite simple: what if tomorrow 4200 whites will reach Nigeria through a boat, the day after tomorrow another 4200 and so on and on for about 15 years... How Nigerian governament will behave? Helping them? Arresting them or killing them? The so called third-world people are free to go wherever they want America Europe. But can native Europeans or white-Americans do the way around and actually make a living?

Do we really are all the same? If that's the case all those third-world contries will surely help all these white immigrants as much as europeans do with the rest of the world. Is it possible?

Or all these contries must remain in the hands of religious fanaticism forcing their natives to escape in order to avoid almost certain death and clog western countries?

 

[TenEightyOne]

If you think there's something wrong you can do whatever you want with this thread, it's your site your rules.

Do we infer that you don't think there's anything wrong with the article?

what if tomorrow 4200 whites will reach Nigeria through a boat, the day after tomorrow another 4200 and so on and on for about 15 years... How Nigerian governament will behave? Helping them? Arresting them or killing them? The so called third-world people are free to go wherever they want America Europe. But can native Europeans or white-Americans do the way around and actually make a living?

So that supports your "whites should breed with whites" article? How? And do you know how the Nigerian government would react in the extremely unlikely event of mass financial immigration, or did you pull the idea out of the air?

The so called third-world people are free to go wherever they want America Europe. But can native Europeans or white-Americans do the way around and actually make a living?

No, but that's economics for you. "Native European" is a bit of a misnomer too, unless you're peculiarly selective.

Or all these contries must remain in the hands of religious fanaticism forcing their natives to escape in order to avoid almost certain death and clog western countries?

Wrong thread, I reckon, there are plenty already covering that argument in various forms.

 

[Famine]

At the end of the day, the point of this thread is not who really wrote it

Odd that the first words of your post were this then, really:

DISCLAIMER : This thread is an article by a non white student.

 

[HKS racer]

Wrong thread, I reckon, there are plenty already covering that argument in various forms.

It's not so wrong, all those prouds immigrants why do they move if they are so proud of their countries? Because thier beloved countries are ruled by crazy avid fanatics. The question is why western countries do nothing?

Odd that the first words of your post were this then, really:

This is what is written overthere. If the link break your rules or if you have proofs that it's a false statement as I said go ahead and police the thread. Simple as that.

 

[KSaiyu]

I think stuff like this will come to a head with the over population of the world. Societies have failed whilst other have thrived, and it is human instinct to want to better yourself. The problem comes when we look into why some have been more "successful" than others, and find answers we weren't led to believe growing up in a PC environment. And it becomes even more of a problem when the news stories are reflecting those differences, like the backdrop for the motives for a lot of illegal immigration.

 

[Famine]

This is what is written overthere.

Your first paragraph is not on that link (I'd be surprised if they mentioned GTPlanet, as your opening paragraph does), so you wrote it yourself. You say it doesn't matter who wrote it, but the first words you wrote are about who wrote it. That's an extreme amount of prominence given to something you say doesn't matter...

If the link break your rules or if you have proofs that it's a false statement as I said go ahead and police the thread. Simple as that.

Thanks for the permission there, however that's not really the message you should be taking.

The article is of questionable provenance. You haven't questioned it. You're quite happy to say that the article is written by a non-white student because the article says that it is - and even suggest that it's not racist because it's not written by someone white - but even a moment of due diligence reveals that the non-white student in question has no detectable online footprint and the website of origin for the piece is a white supremacist one... It seems plausible that the student in question is the pen name of a white supremacist, specifically designed to lend an air of legitimacy to its claims because they come from someone Hispanic...

The message you should be taking from this is "Why am I happy to accept something that would be racist if written by a white person is not racist if written by a non-white person, particularly when that non-white person appears to be a construct specifically created for writing that article on a white supremacist website?".

 

[Dotini]

In today's world, there is a lot of frustration being expressed from various points of the compass.

From my point of view, I can express a triumphalism born of being a part of one of the most successful and liberal communities on Earth.

 

[HKS racer]

Your first paragraph is not on that link (I'd be surprised if they mentioned GTPlanet, as your opening paragraph does), so you wrote it yourself. You say it doesn't matter who wrote it, but the first words you wrote are about who wrote it. That's an extreme amount of prominence given to something you say doesn't matter...

Thanks for the permission there, however that's not really the message you should be taking.

The article is of questionable provenance. You haven't questioned it. You're quite happy to say that the article is written by a non-white student because the article says that it is - and even suggest that it's not racist because it's not written by someone white - but even a moment of due diligence reveals that the non-white student in question has no detectable online footprint and the website of origin for the piece is a white supremacist one... It seems plausible that the student in question is the pen name of a white supremacist, specifically designed to lend an air of legitimacy to its claims because they come from someone Hispanic...

The message you should be taking from this is "Why am I happy to accept something that would be racist if written by a white person is not racist if written by a non-white person, particularly when that non-white person appears to be a construct specifically created for writing that article on a white supremacist website?".

Simple story short: I'm not part of the white supremacy cospiracy, I found somthing on the internet, I read the article, I thought it was written by a hispanic, I posted it on a forum. Is it ok? If not then close it. End of story.

 

[KSaiyu]

It's a pretty good social experiment. I didn't bother checking the veracity of it since I saw "Hispanic student" and skim read it before posting but if it were to read "Look at this article I found on the web" and there was no mentioning of ethnicity I'd have immediately had a problem with it.

 

[TenEightyOne]

It's a pretty good social experiment

We learned a lot from lebensraum too.

 

[Famine]

I found somthing on the internet, I read the article, I thought it was written by a hispanic, I posted it on a forum.

You missed out a "without questioning it at any point" there.

It's on the same sort of level as starting a thread about evolution by posting an article that rubbishes evolutionary theory from Answers in Genesis written by someone with a PhD in evolutionary biology but no other internet footprint than the article, on the basis that they can't be talking bollocks because they're a scientist.

I suspect the only sort of person who'd do that would be an anti-evolution religious nut - so what does that say about someone who'll post a pro-white article from a white supremacist website written by someone who's not white but with no other internet footprint than the article, on the basis that they can't be racist because they're not white?

Is it ok?

That remains to be seen. You're certainly not putting any effort into providing any evidence in its favour.

If not then close it.

Again, thanks for the moderation advice there, but I think I'll prefer my own judgment.

 

[HKS racer]

It's a pretty good social experiment. I didn't bother checking the veracity of it since I saw "Hispanic student" and skim read it before posting but if it were to read "Look at this article I found on the web" and there was no mentioning of ethnicity I'd have immediately had a problem with it.

I honestly don't care about name-calling, I'm really "Japanese" from this point of view, I just want keep thinking with my head and keep reading what other have to say. I want to see if some people are able to see the big picture and give me something interesting to discuss and why not? Evenutally change my point of view. I stop'ed listeting to TV news years ago because because I thought news were maneuvered.
@Famine
I have nothing wrong if you intend to close it, it's just a thread.

 

[Imari]

Simple story short: I'm not part of the white supremacy cospiracy, I found somthing on the internet, I read the article, I thought it was written by a hispanic, I posted it on a forum. Is it ok? If not then close it. End of story.

So why did you post it? What discussion did you hope to spark? Do you agree with this article?

We're not able to discuss with the author, we're only able to discuss with you. If you insist on hiding behind this shield of "it's not my article, I just posted it" then this isn't really going to go anywhere.

 

[HKS racer]

So why did you post it?

Why not?

We're not able to discuss with the author, we're only able to discuss with you. If you insist on hiding behind this shield of "it's not my article, I just posted it" then this isn't really going to go anywhere.

And where should it go exactly? Do you have an opinion worth reading? If so share it.

 

[Dotini]

He's feeling frustrated. He's not sure of things.

I'll make it clear: It's best to be part of a wealthy, liberal culture.

 

[Imari]

Why not?

Uh, that's not how it works. It took you time and effort to read the article, and then time and effort to copy it and post it up here.

Why did you decide it was worth your time?

And where should it go exactly? Do you have an opinion worth reading? If so share it.

Look back through the thread, I've posted several times. My opinions of it are not positive.

For starters, none of his statements are actually supported with any sort of logic. And it appears to simply be a vehicle for white supremacy, which isn't terribly surprising given the provenance.

This is not a well written article with points worth discussing, because none of the points are actually valid in the first place. It's an opinion piece from someone who believes in the white master race that's dressed up as an insightful and thoughtful treatment of immigration issues.

 

[HKS racer]

He's feeling frustrated. He's not sure of things.

Yes I'm probably not sure of lot of things in this world. Recently David Cameron said he wants to aims to cut inflow of non-EU migrants. Can he be consider "racist"?
I also want to undestrad at which extent someone called "racist" is really racist and when someone called "racist" is just name called by some hypocritical braggart.

Look back through the thread, I've posted several times. My opinions of it are not positive.

For starters, none of his statements are actually supported with any sort of logic. And it appears to simply be a vehicle for white supremacy, which isn't terribly surprising given the provenance.

This is not a well written article with points worth discussing, because none of the points are actually valid in the first place. It's an opinion piece from someone who believes in the white master race that's dressed up as an insightful and thoughtful treatment of immigration issues.

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[KSaiyu]

We learned a lot from lebensraum too.

As we have from multiculturalism

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I think it's also worth highlighting that with current thinking there would be very few "alamos" for white people. It's comforting to imagine a colour-blind future where such places would be unnecessary, but the creation of Israel is the reminder that we as a species very readily separate along racial/religious lines. This is NOT an endorsement of lebensraum, rather a critique of unchecked multiculturalism.

 

[Dotini]

Yes I'm probably not sure of lot of things in this world. Recently David Cameron said he wants to aims to cut inflow of non-EU migrants. Can he be consider "racist"?
I also want to undestrad at which extent someone called "racist" is really racist and when someone called "racist" is just name called by some hypocritical braggart.

He could be. But maybe it would depend on his motives, which are always a nebulous question. Racism is not a question of yes or no, black or white, but it is a spectrum of grays. It is not good to be labeled as a racist. If you are, then you should fix that.

 

[Imari]

Thanks for your opinion.

Most of that is not opinion.

It's a fact that the article does not logically support many of it's points, such as that America should be white.
That it's poorly written follows from that. An article that makes unsupported statements is not well written.
There's strong evidence that the person who wrote it is a white supremacist, without even getting into where it was posted.

The part that is my opinion is that it's dribble. And that the sort of person who could write or support such dribble is wasting good oxygen.

If that includes you, I make no apologies.

 

[HKS racer]

He could be. But maybe it would depend on his motives, which are always a nebulous question. Racism is not a question of yes or no, black or white, but it is a spectrum of grays. It is not good to be labeled as a racist. If you are, then you should fix that.

Being labeled is just an indoctrinated social dogma nowdays people tends to worry about. But labelling someone can also be the easiest and fastest way to close a discussion some people have nothing to gain about. For instance non-white people in this thread can easily go for the "racist" word, it's easier, no comparison, no risk to go in those grey areas, no discussions needed. Just blame x y user because "racist" and that's it.

If that includes you, I make no apologies.

You don't have to. We can't please all the people all the time.

 

[Scaff]

At the end of the day, the point of this thread is not who really wrote it,

Actually it is.

the point is quite simple: what if tomorrow 4200 whites will reach Nigeria through a boat, the day after tomorrow another 4200 and so on and on for about 15 years... How Nigerian governament will behave? Helping them? Arresting them or killing them?

So you think we should base how we act to other human being based on how you think another country might act?

The so called third-world people are free to go wherever they want America Europe.

Factually untrue

But can native Europeans or white-Americans do the way around and actually make a living?

Yes, I know quite a few who have done just that.

Do we really are all the same? If that's the case all those third-world contries will surely help all these white immigrants as much as europeans do with the rest of the world. Is it possible?

Yes. Why do you assume its not possiable?

Or all these contries must remain in the hands of religious fanaticism forcing their natives to escape in order to avoid almost certain death and clog western countries?

And that's a totally different topic, but if you want to discuss the cause and effect that the actions of western countries have had in creating a good number of these situations then feel free.

II just want keep thinking with my head and keep reading what other have to say.

Well you failed spectacularly in that regard then.

You posted white supremacist click bait up without a pause, you failed to use you head to carry out even the most basic due diligence about the source, author or content on the piece.

A piece that is basically the typical white supremacist nonsense about 'white superiority', 'white genocide' and 'race traitors' dressed up with a fake 'ethnic' slant in an attempt to give it some kind of validity. The ethnicity of the author does nothing to change the fact that the content in wildly inaccurate nonsense (are you really so stupid as to buy the whole 'white folks invented everything' line).

I want to see if some people are able to see the big picture and give me something interesting to discuss and why not?

You believe that article is the bigger picture?

Evenutally change my point of view. I stop'ed listeting to TV news years ago because because I thought news were maneuvered.

Ironic given that you just got maneuvered by the most clearly blatant piece of far right click bait I've seen in a long time.

I have nothing wrong if you intend to close it, it's just a thread.

If you have done anything 'wrong' in terms of the AUP is not something you get to decide, the staff do and will do so in our own time.

 

[eran0004]

Being labeled is just an indoctrinated social dogma nowdays people tends to worry about. But labelling someone can also be the easiest and fastest way to close a discussion some people have nothing to gain about. For instance non-white people in this thread can easily go for the "racist" word, it's easier, no comparison, no risk to go in those grey areas, no discussions needed. Just blame x y user because "racist" and that's it.

Whites can't find the text to be racist?

 

[Scaff]

Being labeled is just an indoctrinated social dogma nowdays people tends to worry about. But labelling someone can also be the easiest and fastest way to close a discussion some people have nothing to gain about. For instance non-white people in this thread can easily go for the "racist" word, it's easier, no comparison, no risk to go in those grey areas, no discussions needed. Just blame x y user because "racist" and that's it.

No they can't.

The use of a single word by any member doesn't override the sites policies nor force the staff's hand.

Please do not make up things.

 

[HKS racer]

No they can't.

The use of a single word by any member doesn't override the sites policies nor force the staff's hand.

Please do not make up things.

Can you agree with me that in real world the "racist" word can be used as such?

Actually it is.

For you.

Yes. Why do you assume its not possiable?

https://www.google.it/#q=nigerian+christian+murders

 

[Scaff]

Can you agree with me that in real world the "racist" word can be used as such?

By some.

That however doesn't invalidate the word or its use.

The article you posted is racist, regardless of the author's background (and I see no evidence for the claim they are none white), it focuses on claims that the white race is better, that all good stuff came from whites, that whites should not intermarry and that white should marry whites and have more whites.

How exactly would you describe a text that claims whites are superior to non-whites?