White Man: Why Are You Giving Away Your Country?

[HKS racer]

By some.

That however doesn't invalidate the word or its use.

The article you posted is racist, regardless of the author's background (and I see no evidence for the claim they are none white), it focuses on claims that the white race is better, that all good stuff came from whites, that whites should not intermarry and that white should marry whites and have more whites.

How exactly would you describe a text that claims whites are superior to non-whites?

I agree those arguments went too extreme. My focus was more toward the mass immigration thing.

 

[Scaff]

I agree those arguments went too extreme.

Odd then that you picked this article then isn't it?

My focus was more toward the mass immigration thing.

And what about it? And be sure to not conflate migration with refugees and asylum seekers, very different things.

Oh and BTW DC doesn't just have an issue with non-EU migration, that one is far easier for him to control, he has an issue with EU migration.

 

[Danoff]

Culture

Culture sets nations apart and gives its people an identity. The European-influenced culture of the United States is disappearing under the weight of immigration. Indeed, America is experiencing a rapid Hispanicization.

This is to misunderstand America at the most fundamental level. America was founded on the principle that men are men, and should be free regardless of their culture. Now, some of the framers were even at the time engaged in a practice of not considering black men to be men, but regardless, their message spawned the very essence of why the country exists.

The thing that sets america apart, and especially that set it apart when it was created, is the bill of rights. Today the notion that men have rights is taken for granted in countries all over the world. The concept has spread so far and wide that need for it to be spoken is almost forgotten.

There is nothing fundamental about America that is tied to skin color or national origin. An immigrant can come here and be every bit or more American than a white person born here. The answer to the question you pose in the first post is, "you don't understand American culture".

The term "men" as used above is to mean humans, including the women variety of men.

 

[ClydeYellow]

I agree those arguments went too extreme.

No, clearly you don't, else you wouldn't have opened a thread with this title just to post it. Own up to it.

 

[Liquid]

The absolute arrogance of saying the United States was, is and should be, white when millions of indigenous people (read: distinctly non-white and absolutely not European) who were displaced and murdered to create that white paradise is disgusting.

 

[novcze]

I have answer for original question from the article ... because our white scientist discovered that the World will turn into giant ******** in the next 100 years and we are hiding this fact from other races, because of ... white supremacy
And because whites naturally hates other races we want them to suffer in great numbers. That's why whites imported africans from Africa and then gave them the freedom so they can multiply to much greater number than would be possible in Africa.
And now Europe is doing same thing with immigrants from middle-east and Africa, we don't have to do anything about asians, they are multiplying in good rate so they don't need our help.





... in case of our humourless anti-fasicst brigade doesn't recognize that this is sarcasm ... it is

 

[HKS racer]

No, clearly you don't, else you wouldn't have opened a thread with this title just to post it. Own up to it.

"Mago Otelma" is in the house. 👍

 

[KSaiyu]

The absolute arrogance of saying the United States was, is and should be, white when millions of indigenous people (read: distinctly non-white and absolutely not European) who were displaced and murdered to create that white paradise is disgusting.

OK, but what would you say about Scandinavian countries. Should they be criticised for protecting their heritage (White European)?

This is to misunderstand America at the most fundamental level. America was founded on the principle that men are men, and should be free regardless of their culture. Now, some of the framers were even at the time engaged in a practice of not considering black men to be men, but regardless, their message spawned the very essence of why the country exists.

The thing that sets america apart, and especially that set it apart when it was created, is the bill of rights. Today the notion that men have rights is taken for granted in countries all over the world. The concept has spread so far and wide that need for it to be spoken is almost forgotten.

There is nothing fundamental about America that is tied to skin color or national origin. An immigrant can come here and be every bit or more American than a white person born here. The answer to the question you pose in the first post is, "you don't understand American culture".

The term "men" as used above is to mean humans, including the women variety of men.

I think a valid question is would the Bill of Rights' importance get lost should there be a large enough cultural shift. A good analogy would be Britain and the EU Human Rights Act, and our proposed British "Bill of Rights"
(As you can imagine, it's an exciting time to be British )

 

[Joel]

I think you need nationalism (which America has by the bucketload already), but not white nationalism. The problem for whites is that it's been made hard to separate the two, and they are perhaps the only ethnicity where this is the case.

Is it? In my experience I've seen the American, and/or Canadian national anthem played at every single gridiron football, hockey, and baseball game I've ever been to or watched on TV. I've seen massive parades of people celebrating their countries on July 1st and July 4th. I've seen swaths of people celebrating their 1/16th of Irish ancestry every March as an excuse to have a good time and party. I've seen Quebecers having huge celebrations for St Jean Baptiste day. The French and Bastille Day. They celebrate reunification in Germany, the Republic Day in Italy, Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

It doesn't seem that hard to separate the two to me. Celebrating the accomplishments, liberation, founding, revolution, etc. of your country is perfectly fine. Celebrating those things because they were done by white people is silly. I don't really see why it's hard to separate the two, unless you really feel the need to celebrate these things

You're unlikely to have a debate on preserving white heritage, purely because it's been "hijacked" by the Far-Right and so can be closed immediately with "RAAAACIIIIST" (see this thread).

Has this thread been closed? Not yet at least. Forgive me for being PC for a minute here, but frankly I don't see the issue with GTPlanet staff not wanting to have an article from a white supremacist blog posted here to show up in google searches. It's also not really honest to use "racist" sarcastically in this case, the article in the OP is fluffed up white supremacy. It's Capital-R Racism, not fluffy "SJW" or tumblr racism, it is literally "white people and their culture are objectively superior to other races and their cultures" racism.

You're unlikely to have a debate on preserving white heritage because it's a faulty premise from the start. America has deep British protestant roots, with lots of German protestant immigration. Then there's Italian and Irish Catholics who weren't considered white when they immigrated, but now have made huge influence on American culture. Which one is the "white" culture to be preserved? Are Russians part of white culture? Greeks? Turks? Iranians? Where are we drawing the line of what is and isn't white culture? Are biker gangs white culture? Surfer dudes? New England prep schools? Ranchers in Texas?

America is a country of immigrants, and should be proud of that. But it is also a country of predominantly white immigrants, and recognition of their achievements should not be forgotten in the rush to create a homogenous "utopia".

No, we just don't talk about these achievements as "white" achievements because that doesn't make any sense. "White" is not a cultural background. What you're missing in all of this stuff is that we already have tons of ways we celebrate "white culture", but we don't phrase it that way because it doesn't need to be said, and because whiteness isn't relevant to it.

We don't have white culture festivals because we have Osheaga, Coachella, Woodstock, more folk festivals than you could ever link, all :censored:ing kinds of country music festivals. We have tons of beer festivals. Oktoberfest, and massive Czech beer festivals. We have countless French, Italian, Spanish, and American wine festivals. Cheese festivals all over the western world. Massive barbecue festivals. Rodeos. NASCAR. Golf. Baseball. Surfing. Hockey. Tennis. The Winter Olympics. The BottleRock Music, Food, Wine, and Brew festival in Napa Valley. Does it get any whiter than that? I didn't even mention the art museums full of the works of white people.

If we take the top grossing movies over the past years you have to go back to Aladdin, in 1992 to find one which wasn't starred/headlined by white people (unless you count the Lion King - even in Shrek, Avatar, or Toy Story the main human characters are white).

Political correctness has made us remember the "bads" of white majority rule far more readily and has skewed the balance.

I'm not silencing my beliefs for political correctness, I'm not ashamed of being white, I'm not ashamed of my culture. I don't view whites as bad/uncultured and non-whites as good/cultured. To me this just reads like we have fundamentally different worldviews. The way this reads to me is that you have an opinion that there is a superior and distinct white culture that's being eroded, and is worthy of protection. So your idea is that by disagreeing I believe that white culture is actually inferior and should be discarded.

The reality is I genuinely don't view the world or my country in terms of ethnic conflict or incompatibility. I don't care if white people have lower birth rates. I don't care if white people marry non whites. I don't care if other cultures are represented. It's not a competition. Society isn't a zero sum game.

 

[Imari]

I genuinely don't view the world or my country in terms of ethnic conflict or incompatibility. I don't care if white people have lower birth rates. I don't care if white people marry non whites. I don't care if other cultures are represented. It's not a competition. It's not a zero sum game.

I'm glad that there's at least one other person who thinks like this.

 

[HKS racer]

I don't care if white people have lower birth rates. I don't care if white people marry non whites. I don't care if other cultures are represented. It's not a competition. It's not a zero sum game.

So the question is why we don't care? And why they DO care?
On the long run a world with 70% muslims 30% other people will lead to sharia law worldwide. I think it's very arrogant from our generation not considering the importance of keeping the peace and the balance in this world. The 70 years of peace we had after WWII has been gained through centuries of war.

 

[niky]

The 70 years of peace we had after WWII has been gained through centuries of war.

Seventy years of peace for whom? I suppose Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, all those African conflicts, the Six Day War (and a half-dozen other Middle Eastern wars), the ongoing Pakistani-Indian tensions, guerilla wars in South and Central America, terrorist actions over the past few decades, the "Cold War" and etcetera don't count?

Whites can't find the text to be racist?

I'm possibly one-fourth white. Does that count?

a country of predominantly white immigrants

Not all whites are the same people. And not all of them are actually white.

Go back a century and you can find sentiments exactly like this expressed against Italian immigrants. Or Irish immigrants. Or (insert impoverished European/English nationality here...).

Immigrants who, not inconsequentially, helped make New York the financial capital of the world.

White supremacy and the "preservation of white culture" rests on a myopic romanticization of US history, which ignores the fact that the burgeoning US economy was built on the back of its multicultural financial and trade hubs.

It's well and fine to celebrate culture. New England culture. Italian culture. Irish culture. French culture. But there is no "white culture." There is no such animal.

 

[Dotini]

So the question is why we don't care?

My cousin Karl would say it's because we have become passive, submissive herbivores, beta males who have given up the game. Perhaps it's something in the food or water?

Iranians are white, and Muslim, and they have not become beta.

Kurds are white, and have religion evolved from Zoroaster. They have not become beta.

 

[ClydeYellow]

On the long run a world with 70% muslims 30% other people will lead to sharia law worldwide.

Who was saying what about Mago Otelma?

 

[Kent]

I'm second generation American.
Grandfather came here from Ireland.
I have blue eyes, a big red beard, and I guess you could say I'm white.

This article lost me in the first 30 seconds...

I have learned one thing to be true about the United States: It is a white country. The founders were white, white men established its core principles and political system, and white men and women built the nation into what it is today.

/thread

Any one who'd say something like what I quoted is not an honest student of history.

 

[Scaff]

OK, but what would you say about Scandinavian countries. Should they be criticised for protecting their heritage (White European)?

Now aside from you assuming that this is an agreed policy within Scandinavian countries (which would be news) that would depend entirely on the method used to enforce it.

I think a valid question is would the Bill of Rights' importance get lost should there be a large enough cultural shift.

Why would it?

A good analogy would be Britain and the EU Human Rights Act, and our proposed British "Bill of Rights"
(As you can imagine, it's an exciting time to be British )

You best explain that analogy as its not exactly clear at all.

So the question is why we don't care? And why they DO care?

Define 'they'?

(Point 1 - use 'us and them' to create blocks of 'good and bad')

On the long run a world with 70% muslims 30% other people will lead to sharia law worldwide.

Citation required.

(Point 2 - use un-sourced claims to support a reason why 'they' are a threat to the way 'we' live)

I think it's very arrogant from our generation not considering the importance of keeping the peace and the balance in this world.

So division and cultural isolation will create peace and balance will it

(point 3 - claim of White genocide - straight out)

The 70 years of peace we had after WWII has been gained through centuries of war.

Do you actually believe this?

That world wide we have had 70 years of peace since WW2?


Now the points I covered as I replied? They seem to be some quite clear indicators that the reason why you used the source you did and the article you did is because you agree with it. Having been digging around the article it raises some concerns as to what you use for sourcing your information, as that article has not been near a mainstream news outlet, hell its not even registered yet with the anti-fascist groups to be countered. You have a fresh off the press piece of White Power propaganda and you have to have found that from a source that is very, very close to that.

The only thing I can really take from that is some of your key sources for news and information are pretty much directly those of White Power, White Supremacy and the Far Right.

 

[Soundtrack]

source: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

 

[Beeblebrox237]

 

[eran0004]

I'm possibly one-fourth white. Does that count?

It does

In reality we're all just different shades of brown anyway.

Not all whites are the same people. And not all of them are actually white.

Go back a century and you can find sentiments exactly like this expressed against Italian immigrants. Or Irish immigrants. Or (insert impoverished European/English nationality here...).

Immigrants who, not inconsequentially, helped make New York the financial capital of the world.

White supremacy and the "preservation of white culture" rests on a myopic romanticization of US history, which ignores the fact that the burgeoning US economy was built on the back of its multicultural financial and trade hubs.

It's well and fine to celebrate culture. New England culture. Italian culture. Irish culture. French culture. But there is no "white culture." There is no such animal.

Swedish immigrants used to have a pretty poor reputation in the US. Most of those who migrated came from poor backgrounds and they had very little education and didn't speak a lot of English.

 

[Imari]

Isn't it amusing how what people want to see and what actually is are frequently so different?

 

[ClydeYellow]

Oh, but you don't understand, once Mosleems will hit two billions the Zerg Mosleem Hive Queen will send the signal to start the Worldwide Jihad of White Christian Extermination and we will be doomed. DOOMED!

Swedish immigrants used to have a pretty poor reputation in the US. Most of those who migrated came from poor backgrounds and they had very little education and didn't speak a lot of English.

At least they were considered white. Italian immigrants, on the other hand...

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Isn't it amusing how what people want to see and what actually is are frequently so different?

It's both hilarious and terrifying. The ignorance displayed in this thread is incredibly scary.

 

[niky]

Take note, these statistics don't reflect Muslim-to-Christian conversion, simply because admitting you've left Islam is a death sentence in some places. There are estimates ranging from the millions to the hundreds of millions, but it's very difficult (obviously) to get accurate figures.

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Of course, the question is, how many of those people included in "official" statistics will actually be devout followers of the faith, rather than members simply through birth.

 

[Joel]

So the question is why we don't care?

Why should I care? I have friends with Pakistani, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Nigerian, Portuguese, Italian, Turkish, Bangladeshi, Indian, German, Spanish, Danish, Mexican, Polish, Venezuelan, Argentinian, Colombian, Antiguan, Trinidadian, Barbadian, Brazilian, Russian, Ukrainian, Finnish, Swedish, Dutch, Austrian, Norwegian, Saint Lucian, and of course, British and French ancestry.

Why should I care where people coming to Canada were born? I've made friends with, studied with, worked with, and done business with people from all over the world. I've met good people from all over the world. I've met bad people from all over the world. I don't care what percentage of Canada remains white because it's irrelevant. I don't care because it doesn't matter.

And why they DO care?

Who are they? Muslims? Hispanics? Africans? Do they care about lowering white birth rates? Are they the ones causing white families to choose not to have as many children?

On the long run a world with 70% muslims 30% other people will lead to sharia law worldwide.

Why are you even bringing up Sharia law? The OP was about Mexican immigration to the US. Mexican Christians. It's also a silly hypothetical. 70% of the world being muslim is not a realistic possibility.

Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan don't have Sharia law, to say nothing of the Balkans. There's also countries like Jordan, Singapore, and Indonesia where sharia law applies to muslim family disputes but there are separate civil courts. Kinda disproves the idea that a high concentration of muslims means Sharia law is inevitable. Turkey. The heartland of the Ottoman Empire doesn't even have Sharia law. The most powerful Islamic empire in history left behind a developed and secular nation.

I think it's very arrogant from our generation not considering the importance of keeping the peace and the balance in this world. The 70 years of peace we had after WWII has been gained through centuries of war.

So let me get this straight, Europeans fought centuries of wars over national, religious, and ethnic conflicts, culminating in the bloodiest war of all time, and history's largest genocide, which finally led to peace (...a peace where the white Christian USA and USSR played chicken with thousands of nukes).

And to preserve this peace, gained after centuries of ethnic nationalism, you propose...ethnic nationalism?

 

[ClydeYellow]

Who are they? Muslims? Hispanics? Africans? Do they care about lowering white birth rates? Are they the ones causing white families to choose not to have as many children?

Heh. There's this funny theory in the Italian far right that the Muslim world, and by that I mean, every single Muslim on the face of the Big Ole Blue Marble, is into a conspiracy to outbreed us whiteys so that they can impose over us their Sharia law and have sex with our kids, or something. They're the same people having fifteen kids just to outbreed the Muslims. I wonder what @HKS racer thinks of it.

 

[Scaff]

Heh. There's this funny theory in the Italian far right that the Muslim world, and by that I mean, every single Muslim on the face of the Big Ole Blue Marble, is into a conspiracy to outbreed us whiteys so that they can impose over us their Sharia law and have sex with our kids, or something. They're the same people having fifteen kids just to outbreed the Muslims. I wonder what @HKS racer thinks of it.

Its not just the Italian far right, far right idiots the globe over are peddling that one. Hell even the right wing press in the UK get in on it from time to time (and the BNP, Britain First and EDL swear by it, so it must be true)

 

[ClydeYellow]

Its not just the Italian far right, far right idiots the globe over are peddling that one. Hell even the right wing press in the UK get in on it from time to time (and the BNP, Britain First and EDL swear by it, so it must be true)

Yeah, but our far right idiots are absolutely convinced of it... I wasn't kidding when I said they're having an offspring that numbers in the double-digits just to fight the Mosleems and the gays.

 

[KSaiyu]

Is it? In my experience I've seen the American, and/or Canadian national anthem played at every single gridiron football, hockey, and baseball game I've ever been to or watched on TV. I've seen massive parades of people celebrating their countries on July 1st and July 4th. I've seen swaths of people celebrating their 1/16th of Irish ancestry every March as an excuse to have a good time and party. I've seen Quebecers having huge celebrations for St Jean Baptiste day. The French and Bastille Day. They celebrate reunification in Germany, the Republic Day in Italy, Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

It doesn't seem that hard to separate the two to me. Celebrating the accomplishments, liberation, founding, revolution, etc. of your country is perfectly fine. Celebrating those things because they were done by white people is silly. I don't really see why it's hard to separate the two, unless you really feel the need to celebrate these things

You're misunderstanding. America celebrates these achievements, but if you point out that they are White European achievements everyone gets a bit squemish

Has this thread been closed?

Talking about the debate, and referencing this thread was using the first reply to this thread as an example

No, we just don't talk about these achievements as "white" achievements because that doesn't make any sense. "White" is not a cultural background. What you're missing in all of this stuff is that we already have tons of ways we celebrate "white culture", but we don't phrase it that way because it doesn't need to be said, and because whiteness isn't relevant to it.

It doesn't need to be said, however it needs to be recognised as requiring protection should demographics change.

I'm not silencing my beliefs for political correctness....

I'm not sure what this paragraph is about.

The reality is I genuinely don't view the world or my country in terms of ethnic conflict or incompatibility. I don't care if white people have lower birth rates. I don't care if white people marry non whites. I don't care if other cultures are represented. It's not a competition. Society isn't a zero sum game.

Fair enough, but it's not how the world I know works.

Your outlook doesn't explain my city, country or the world I live in:

http://www.theguardian.com/graphic/0,5812,1395106,00.html

Not all whites are the same people. And not all of them are actually white.

My laziness for not saying "White European"

Now aside from you assuming that this is an agreed policy within Scandinavian countries (which would be news) that would depend entirely on the method used to enforce it.

That was a hypothetical, although expect a nationalist surge in Sweden sometime soon.

Why would it?

With a large enough culture shift, you can even create laws criminalising freedom of speech

You best explain that analogy as its not exactly clear at all.

Simple. Our culture is different from Europe, therefore our laws should reflect that. The EHRA represents European culture, and their attitude to "human rights" and are not compatible with ours. If the UN adopted a Human Rights Bill and could force it on all members, do you think America would be happy to allow this new Bill to supercede their Bill of Rights? Similarly if American demographics changed significantly, the population may vote through ammendments more in line with their culture.

 

[HKS racer]

Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan don't have Sharia law, to say nothing of the Balkans. There's also countries like Jordan, Singapore, and Indonesia where sharia law applies to muslim family disputes but there are separate civil courts. Kinda disproves the idea that a high concentration of muslims means Sharia law is inevitable. Turkey. The heartland of the Ottoman Empire doesn't even have Sharia law. The most powerful Islamic empire in history left behind a developed and secular nation.

Turkey massacred Armenians a christian minority at the beginning of XX century and are still trying to deny it. They also were angry with Pope just because he said that.

Heh. There's this funny theory in the Italian far right that the Muslim world, and by that I mean, every single Muslim on the face of the Big Ole Blue Marble, is into a conspiracy to outbreed us whiteys so that they can impose over us their Sharia law and have sex with our kids, or something. They're the same people having fifteen kids just to outbreed the Muslims. I wonder what @HKS racer thinks of it.

I wonder what italian left is waiting, why they don't just give immigrants the chance to vote. Why waiting for citizenship?

 

[Scaff]

That was a hypothetical, although expect a nationalist surge in Sweden sometime soon.

Why wasn't it presented as such then? It was presented as something that was and is happening and had the acceptance of the whole area.

With a large enough culture shift, you can even create laws criminalising freedom of speech

That's not America?

So once again why would it?

Simple. Our culture is different from Europe, therefore our laws should reflect that.

Mine isn't. Does that make me not British?

The EHRA represents European culture, and their attitude to "human rights" and are not compatible with ours.

Both an assumption that this is fact and that even these perceived differences automatically mean incompatibility.

If the UN adopted a Human Rights Bill and could force it on all members, do you think America would be happy to allow this new Bill to supercede their Bill of Rights?

In which case its a very poor analogy, the UK has no written bill of rights and never has.

Similarly if American demographics changed significantly, the population may vote through ammendments more in line with their culture.

You mean apart from the fact that's not how amendments work in the US?

Well why would it matter? A country should reflect its population and a population can change in its views and opinions and its laws should reflect that, and it can change without factors like immigration.

I take it however that you would then be in favour of removing 'In God we Trust' from the American currency, etc?