White Privilege

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"Need to" seems strong to me. Again, I've never really seen it when it comes to race or sex. As before, that doesn't mean that an issue doesn't exist, but it makes me wonder how widespread it is. It's also something that a privileged person should see very easily unless they are completely isolated from people who differ from them.

As a white person you don't and will never understand. But that's totally ok and not your "fault" in any way. It is hidden in society in such a subtle way nowadays. Like receiving 2 equal resumes with 1 named peter and the other Wang or Ali and subconsciously you are more critical of what is on the "foreign" name. Privilege is a wrong word for it though, because people quickly associate it with "entitled". But how widespread? Everywhere! And to be clear in most cases it isn't a real big issue at all.

It is difficult to explain. It is like when a white person is in a 3rd world country, locals very quickly will think that person is rich and educated. Somehow this stereotype was developed and encouraged white people to feel more "superior". And I don't mean consciously, but subconsciously. I guess society, cultural, media and history all played a part.
 
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You do however have to take into consideration that the world is not starting from zero for everyone. If you are born rich then statistically you'll probably die rich. If you are born poor than statistically you probably will die poor. Of course there are success-stories, no one is denying that. But they are getting celebrated exactly because they are not the normality. The normality is sentence 2+3.
The 'opportunities' are the same for both people here, as in: If you have this and that result in your highschool degree then you will be accepted into college. The only fine difference is that the setting in which these two people learn, live and get educated, their surroundings, can be very different and might not be that easily changed by them. You think it's easy for a 5 years old to just leave home if his father is a drunkard who is hitting him? And you think learning the same stuff for school as a kid from a rich family where everything is cool is exactly the same?

There are inequalities not because people are different, but because the starting positions in the competition of capitalism for a good job or a good life are not equal at all while what you have to achieve is equal for all.
Imagine starting for a 200m sprint just with the difference that it's 200m just for one person whereas the next one is 5m behind him but still has to get to that same finish line as the one 5m ahead of him etc. That's basically how it is for someone coming from a poor or underprivileged background. You basically have to run longer and it is totally not your fault that you are in that position. So why not getting somewhat of a 'helping hand'?
I do not say to level out everything because that is just not possible. But certain programs which consider race or gender or what class circumstances you come from are just a mere try to somewhat level out the bad setting (compared to others) some people grow up in. And i actually see nothing bad in that at all. It's not like you get stuff for free, you still have to work your ass off, but when it may come to a job, where the rich kid has the same result as you, then you get that job before that rich kid because of his background this rich kid most likely will anyways get the next job he applies for.


What do you consider a poor or underprivileged background? Is it fair to assume that because I am a white male that I come from a wealthy and privileged background and thus do not deserve this same 'helping hand' that someone who is not a white male would get? That would be the very definition of discrimination based on race or gender.

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As a white person you don't and will never understand.

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Is it fair to assume that because I am a white male that I come from a wealthy and privileged background and thus do not deserve this same 'helping hand' that someone who is not a white male would get? That would be the very definition of discrimination based on race or gender.

It is not about deserving, it is about whether you even need it or not.
Ok, let me try to put it this way: Imagine a soccer team. 10 of the 11 players are just normal healthy men or women. Then you have one who has only one leg. Through a 'helping hand' that one gets some prosthetic leg and is able to play along with the others. Now you basically in the quote just said: "I want that prosthetic leg too, i deserve it!!" I would actually look at you and your two healthy legs and ask you: What are you talking about man? What good is a prosthetic leg to you?
How are the 10 people who don't need the prosthetic leg "discriminated"? The term does not work that way.
 
I get the feeling some people see the concept of white privilege as a personal slight on themselves when it's simply an attempt to explain the way things work, a worldview. No judgment is implied in its invocation as far as I can see.
 
I get the feeling some people see the concept of white privilege as a personal slight on themselves when it's simply an attempt to explain the way things work, a worldview. No judgment is implied.

I'm not sure how it works in other parts of the world, but if I had to guess it's more of an American concept to think this way.

For example, I often feel that many of the minorities I work with or know feel that I had an easier time getting to that position or that they were "unfairly" skipped. I don't know if it's true or not, but based on certain cues it makes me think that way.

I'm not sure if this is due to the narrative the media uses or what, but somewhere along the way I picked that up. Like I said, I'm not sure how true it really is or if those other folks truly think that way or not. But thanks to HR policies in many corporate settings, I feel like I can't ask that since there's a risk I could lose my job. Unfortunately, I'd love to be able to ask those kinds of questions in the workplace since I truly don't know if it's preconceived notions or a reality. I also think it'd give both parties a better understanding of one another.
 
So I found this survey about white privilege:





1. Yes my parents often worked nights and weekends.

2. I don't think anyone can really take a step forward. Men can be the subjects of sexual assault just as much as women can.


3. I guess I cannot take a step forward. I am a white man and interracial relationships are still frowned upon in a lot of places.


4. Does epilepsy count as a physical disability?

5. The primary language in my household was English. In my grandparents' homes, it was Greek and Italian.


6. One step forward.

7. I would question the credibility of this. I am properly educated and therefore can use speech or mannerisms that others can understand. That isn't privilege.

8. One step forward. White people are the majority in this country so I don't understand how that is privilege. It's just businesses catering to the majority of their customers.

9. How is this privilege? I wasn't embarrassed about my home or clothes ever. As said, my parents and their parents both worked hard so their family could benefit. It's not privilege because I had a better home or clothes growing up.

10. Where do people attribute mistakes to your racial/ethnic group?

11. One step forward.

12. One step forward.

13. Nope.

14. Again, this is not privilege. It is called having responsible parents.

15. One step forward. This is not privilege. It's because I am qualified for the position I am applying for.

16. Nope, I call the police.

17. Not privilege. It's called working hard, getting an education and therefore a career that has good health insurance.

18. Nope. Expressing emotions is not masculine.

19. Nope. Again, not privilege. It is just the fact that white people are the majority in my area.

20. Nope. I never borrowed money I couldn't pay back. Not privilege. Again, it's a lack of responsibility.

21. Benefits of having a good career, not privilege.

22. One step back.

23. One step forward.

24. One step forward.

25. Nope.

26. One step forward. Again, not privilege. It's called having responsible parents.

27. One step back.

28. Nope.

29. One step forward.

30. One step forward.

31. One step forward.

32. One step forward.

33. I was told about an opening by a family member. I got hired for the position because I was qualified and interviewed well.

34. One step back.

35. One step back


I don't really think of myself as privileged. A lot of the nice things I had growing up were the result of my parents working hard for it because their parents instilled a sense of hard work into them. I have a home and nice things because my parents encouraged me to work hard and get an education. I never got to go to a prestigious university either like University of Wisconsin. I had to go to a community college and pay for it myself by working construction for four years because my parents couldn't afford to put me through college. How come it's not black privilege or asian privilege when those groups get into these universities on scholarship programs or other 'assistance' things essentially for free?

In reading through some of these questions, my thoughts are that the idea of "white privilege" isn't really the idea that you get things or get preferential treatment because of your race or ethnicity. It seems like it's just another way to create equal outcome. And in doing so, it creates more problems than it solves. It's another failed marxist experiment. Some people have more opportunities. Some people have better outcomes. That's called life. And by trying to 'level the playing field' you make things less fair.
Agreed. It's a stupid quiz probably thought up by a 13 year old in a social studies class. My son could take this test and come through with flying colours...and he's not white...lol. His mother, who also isn't white and wasn't born in Canada and emigrated here as an adult, could also easily pass this test with flying colours.
 
Agreed. It's a stupid quiz probably thought up by a 13 year old in a social studies class. My son could take this test and come through with flying colours...and he's not white...lol. His mother, who also isn't white and wasn't born in Canada and emigrated here as an adult, could also easily pass this test with flying colours.

You thought it was a quiz? Did you see anything deeper in the points, or was the 13-year-old you too busy projecting? :D
 
White privilege, in America at least (but also in most other developed nations), undoubtedly exists. Any American who was born white, no matter if you're poor, rich, male, female, immigrant, disabled, etc, possesses this privilege. If you deny that it exists, you're either too engrossed in your white privilege and can't see out of it, or you're plain racist. You might just think "white privilege is just a phrase butthurt liberals use to silence other white people", but I'm a straight, cisgender white male (as privileged as they come) who feels conservatively on many political topics, and I acknowledge white privilege is real. Here are just a few examples of hardships nonwhites experience that white people are almost completely immune to:
  • Degrading racial stereotypes. This is a more obvious issue. In America, black people are too frequently stereotyped as violent, "ghetto" and welfare reliant, asians are stereotyped as uncool, overly academic-focused, and having poor social skills, and hispanics are stereotyped as undocumented day-laborers who refuse to learn the English language. White people aren't stereotyped like this. Also, there are derogatory terms to describe these minorities, like n*gger, chink, illegal, etc. White people do not have these names to degrade them, and "cracker" doesn't count.
  • Representation. White people are seen everywhere, literally everywhere. In movies, advertisement, television, business, finance, literature etc. White people outnumber and outrepresent minorities in these categories. Yes, you could argue that it is this way because there are more whites than colored people in America, but that's not a defense. Don't you think a child of color who sees only whites on TV, in movies, in ads, in books, and in high-paying jobs would at some point feel that they are lesser, or not worth it? Also, wealthy company owners are overwhelmingly white. Only about 10% of Fortune 500 company owners are minorities, yet 40% of America is a minority. Also, as almost all company leaders are white, too many qualified minorities are turned down from jobs due to unfair racial stereotypes.
  • Income. White people on average out-earn African Americans, Native Americans, and Hispanics everywhere in the country, usually by tens of thousands of dollars per year. This is because white people are almost always guaranteed higher quality schools and are pushed to succeed, causing them to pursue university and get a good job.
  • Police brutality. African Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans are far more likely to be killed by cops for doing nothing wrong than a white person.
  • Fairer prison sentences. Many white people who commit felonious crimes like rape only get a few years in prison, while a black person can get a longer sentence just for marijuana or cocaine possession. "Stop and frisk" policies unfairly target African Americans as criminals just because of their skin color, leading cops to unfairly search them. Also, African Americans are more likely to be imprisoned for crimes they didn't even commit.
  • Family ties. African Americans and Hispanics are far more likely to be born into abusive, or single-parent homes than whites, which stems into the child doing poorly in school, being depressed, more likely to commit a crime, and more at risk for suicide.
  • Neighborhood safety. Far too many poor minorities live in neighborhoods that are unsafe, run-down, and are exposed to lead paint. These neighborhoods are extremely crime ridden, where even taking a stroll down the block can result in being mugged, raped, or attacked. Conversely, low-income whites generally live in safe neighborhoods, mostly white neighborhoods, like trailer parks.
  • Perception of criminals. White school shooters and mass murders are referred to by the media as "troubled kids" or "having mental issues" while non-white shooters are called "terrorists" or "thugs" and even "animals".
  • Not having their voices heard. White Americans have always had their rights guaranteed to them (right to vote, work, own land, etc), while people of color never had any rights given to them. They had to protest and fight to gain basic rights. This still occurs today. No wonder why it is mostly people of color who participate in rioting and looting, because they suffer from injustices whites do not.
  • Cultural appropriation. Marginalized groups have had their culture exploited and erased by privileged whites. Native American and Asian clothing and symbols are fetishized by whites. Dreads, a unique part of African culture, are worn by white people to be "trendy", while black people with dreads are denied good paying jobs because their hair doesn't look professional enough by white standards. White people who love Mexican foods but oppose Mexican immigrants living in their country is another example. White people wanting to "be black" to appear cool, by using black phrases and partaking in African-American culture, but do not want to experience the hardships and oppression of black Americans is also white privilege.
Yes, there are more examples of this privilege, but if I were to list them all out, this post would never end.

If you're still not entirely convinced that white privilege exists, I'll provide an example from a much more personal level. I live in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Population 150,000. The majority of Elizabeth's inhabitants are either black or hispanic and are working class and whites make up roughly 10% of the city's population. For the most part, the city suffers from being run-down, having way higher than average crime, and failing schools, and is referred to as "the ghetto" by both the minorities who live there and by white people in more prosperous towns surrounding it. Most residences are run down duplexes and apartments, but there is one small section of the city near a decent university with more expensive, well-maintained single family homes. I am fortunate enough to live there, and I am white. My neighborhood is beautiful, has almost zero crime, is well-regarded, and almost entirely white and upper-middle class. The white families there send their white children to private schools in wealthy white towns (me included), instead of the failing public schools. See what I mean? The minorities in my city are mostly poor, live in violent, run-down neighborhoods, and have to make do with failing schools. But the very few caucasians in Elizabeth are mostly upper-middle class, live in a safe, beautiful neighborhood, and do not have to endure poor schools.

Don't misunderstand my point about white privilege, though. In very rare cases people of color do have advantages over white people (affirmative action, being taken more seriously in some political discussions). Saying that whites have white privilege is not saying that whites are immune from poverty, hardship, and have perfect lives. Acknowledging white privilege does not mean all minorities live a poor quality of life. White people should not feel guilty for having white privilege, or for the racist and damaging things their ancestors did, but because they are privileged, it is the responsibility of the white person to recognize their privilege, see outside of it, and realize that minorities have it harder than you. White privilege does not mean that white people never go through anything serious, it just means that white people will never have to deal with certain issues simply because their white.
 
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White privilege, in America at least (but also in most other developed nations), undoubtedly exists. Any American who was born white, no matter if you're poor, rich, male, female, immigrant, disabled, etc, possesses this privilege. If you deny that it exists, you're either too engrossed in your white privilege and can't see out of it, or you're plain racist. You might just think "white privilege is just a phrase butthurt liberals use to silence other white people", but I'm a straight, cisgender white male (as privileged as they come) who feels conservatively on many political topics, and I acknowledge white privilege is real. Here are just a few examples of hardships nonwhites experience that white people are almost completely immune to:
  • Degrading racial stereotypes. This is a more obvious issue. In America, black people are too frequently stereotyped as violent, "ghetto" and welfare reliant, asians are stereotyped as uncool, overly academic-focused, and having poor social skills, and hispanics are stereotyped as undocumented day-laborers who refuse to learn the English language. White people aren't stereotyped like this. Also, there are derogatory terms to describe these minorities, like n*gger, chink, illegal, etc. White people do not have these names to degrade them, and "cracker" doesn't count.
  • Representation. White people are seen everywhere, literally everywhere. In movies, advertisement, television, business, finance, literature etc. White people outnumber and outrepresent minorities in these categories. Yes, you could argue that it is this way because there are more whites than colored people in America, but that's not a defense. Don't you think a child of color who sees only whites on TV, in movies, in ads, in books, and in high-paying jobs would at some point feel that they are lesser, or not worth it? Also, wealthy company owners are overwhelmingly white. Only about 10% of Fortune 500 company owners are minorities, yet 40% of America is a minority. Also, as almost all company leaders are white, too many qualified minorities are turned down from jobs due to unfair racial stereotypes.
  • Income. White people on average out-earn African Americans, Native Americans, and Hispanics everywhere in the country, usually by tens of thousands of dollars per year. This is because white people are almost always guaranteed higher quality schools and are pushed to succeed, causing them to pursue university and get a good job.
  • Police brutality. African Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans are far more likely to be killed by cops for doing nothing wrong than a white person.
  • Fairer prison sentences. Many white people who commit felonious crimes like rape only get a few years in prison, while a black person can get a longer sentence just for marijuana or cocaine possession. "Stop and frisk" policies unfairly target African Americans as criminals just because of their skin color, leading cops to unfairly search them. Also, African Americans are more likely to be imprisoned for crimes they didn't even commit.
  • Family ties. African Americans and Hispanics are far more likely to be born into abusive, or single-parent homes than whites, which stems into the child doing poorly in school, being depressed, more likely to commit a crime, and more at risk for suicide.
  • Neighborhood safety. Far too many poor minorities live in neighborhoods that are unsafe, run-down, and are exposed to lead paint. These neighborhoods are extremely crime ridden, where even taking a stroll down the block can result in being mugged, raped, or attacked. Conversely, low-income whites generally live in safe neighborhoods, mostly white neighborhoods, like trailer parks.
  • Perception of criminals. White school shooters and mass murders are referred to by the media as "troubled kids" or "having mental issues" while colored shooters are called "terrorists" or "thugs" and even "animals".
  • Not having their voices heard. White Americans have always had their rights guaranteed to them (right to vote, work, own land, etc), while people of color never had any rights given to them. They had to protest and fight to gain basic rights. This still occurs today. No wonder why it is mostly people of color who participate in rioting and looting, because they suffer from injustices whites do not.
  • Cultural appropriation. Marginalized groups have had their culture exploited and erased by privileged whites. Native American and Asian clothing and symbols are fetishized by whites. Dreads, a unique part of African culture, are worn by white people to be "trendy", while black people with dreads are denied good paying jobs because their hair doesn't look professional enough by white standards. White people who love Mexican foods but oppose Mexican immigrants living in their country is another example. White people wanting to "be black" to appear cool, by using black phrases and partaking in African-American culture, but do not want to experience the hardships and oppression of black Americans is also white privilege.
Yes, there are more examples of this privilege, but if I were to list them all out, this post would never end.

If you're still not entirely convinced that white privilege exists, I'll provide an example from a much more personal level. I live in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Population 150,000. The majority of Elizabeth's inhabitants are either black or hispanic and are working class and whites make up roughly 10% of the city's population. For the most part, the city suffers from being run-down, having way higher than average crime, and failing schools, and is referred to as "the ghetto" by both the minorities who live there and by white people in more prosperous towns surrounding it. Most residences are run down duplexes and apartments, but there is one small section of the city near a decent university with more expensive, well-maintained single family homes. I am fortunate enough to live there, and I am white. My neighborhood is beautiful, has almost zero crime, is well-regarded, and almost entirely white and upper-middle class. The white families there send their white children to private schools in wealthy white towns (me included), instead of the failing public schools. See what I mean? The minorities in my city are mostly poor, live in violent, run-down neighborhoods, and have to make do with failing schools. But the very few caucasians in Elizabeth are mostly upper-middle class, live in a safe, beautiful neighborhood, and do not have to endure poor schools.

Don't misunderstand my point about white privilege, though. In very rare cases people of color do have advantages over white people (affirmative action, being taken more seriously in some political discussions). Saying that whites have white privilege is not saying that whites are immune from poverty, hardship, and have perfect lives. Acknowledging white privilege does not mean all minorities live a poor quality of life. White people should not feel guilty for having white privilege, or for the racist and damaging things their ancestors did, but because they are privileged, it is the responsibility of the white person to recognize their privilege, see outside of it, and realize that minorities have it harder than you. White privilege does not mean that white people never go through anything serious, it just means that white people will never have to deal with certain issues simply because their white.
You referred to black people as "colored". Racist much?
 
You referred to black people as "colored". Racist much?
I wasn't using the word "colored" to mock or put down non-whites, and colored describes hispanics, asians, and indigenous Americans, not just African Americans. It's no different then calling them people of color, or non-whites, and if you believe it's ok to use the terms "people of color" or "non-white" but not "colored people" to describe people of color, then youre a hypocrite. Besides, if that term is as racist as you claim it to be, then why do so many colored people refer to themselves as "colored people"?

But, even more concerning, you managed to scour through my essay of a post about how racism gives white people benefits and puts minorities at a disadvantage, and all you get out of it was that I'm racist towards black people? If so, then I'm beyond speechless.
 
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I wasn't using the word "colored" to mock or put down non-whites, and colored describes hispanics, asians, and indigenous Americans, not just African Americans. It's no different then calling them people of color, or non-whites. If it was so racist, then why do so many colored people refer to themselves as "colored people"?

But, even more concerning, you managed to scour through my essay of a post about how racism gives white people benefits and puts minorities at a disadvantage, and all you get out of it was that I'm racist towards non-whites? If so, then I'm beyond speechless.
Yeah, "colored" is the same as "people of color". #sarcasm I'd love hear your feedback on fieldtesting that one. :lol: By that logic the "n" word isn't racist either since black people use it all the time. Last time I heard the word "coloured" when referring to people of colour, blacks specifically, was on All in the Family back in the 70's.

No, I read your entire post. I think it's a mashup of failed logic and left wing talking points not worth addressing. But of course I can't understand it and I'm a racist because I disagree with most of what you said so what's the point anyway? You can't argue with a racist right?
 
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Yeah, "colored" is the same as "people of color". I'd love hear your feedback on fieldtesting that one. :lol: By that logic the "n" word isn't racist either since black people use it all the time. Last time I heard the word "coloured" when referring to people of colour, blacks specifically, was on All in the Family back in the 70's.

No, I read your entire post. I think it's a mashup of failed logic and left wing talking points not worth addressing. But of course I can't understand it and I'm a racist because I disagree with most of what you said so what's the point anyway? You can't argue with a racist right?
Okay fine, I'll amend my post to replace "colored people" with "non-whites" if it changes things for you. I guess I can see where you're coming from, since the term was used to put down blacks during the Jim Crow era, even though I was referring to all non-whites as "colored people", and did not say "colored people" with the intent to demean or discredit black people.

To talk about the n-word: it isn't racist if a black person says it. It is racist, however, for any non-black to say it (hard-r or not), no matter the circumstances. It's as simple as that. It was a term invented to dehumanize blacks, therefore only blacks can use it since black people can't oppress other black people.

I don't see how the acknowledgement of white privilege, as well as the acknowledgement of the hardships non-whites endure, has to do with leftism. It's plain facts, so are conservatives really too shallow to accept it? If you deny that whites are at an advantage generally and minorities have to deal with additional problems because of their race, then you are the racist. I'm not saying you're racist. I'm not saying that you must agree with everything I say to not be racist. What I'm saying is, if we truly want to better society for all races, whites need to recognize that they have white privilege and minorities have additional disadvantages. And no, it wouldn't be worth my time to argue with a racist; convincing the racist to see everyone as equal is a much better use of time.
 
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You referred to black people as "colored". Racist much?

This sort of accusation seems to have been a trend amongst a certain flavour of posters today.

The term coloured varies in offence geographically. It's generally accepted that "people of colour" is a better way to phrase it, but that doesn't mean that somebody who uses the phrase is being racist.

By that logic the "n" word isn't racist either since black people use it all the time.

Then you're using very poor logic. Get back to us when black society in America uses the word in a pejorative sense against of people based on something as arbitrary as skin colour. You're not daft, you understand the use of the word, its history and its differences for different parts of society.
 
it just means that white people will never have to deal with certain issues simply because their white.

:lol:

I agree with most of your post, but this made me laugh. There are certainly issues that white people are less likely to have to deal with. But never? That's just turning a blind eye to everything you don't want to see.

Also, if people want to know what the ultimate privilege is, it's being born "normal" looking. Try going through life with a cleft palate (like me) or any other highly visual deformity and you'll experience what it's really like to be discriminated against. At least people that have to deal with racism have others that can relate to them, I've only met one other person with a cleft palate in real life and by that point the psychological damage had been done.
 
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I agree with most of your post, but this made me laugh. There certainly issues that white people are less likely to have to deal with. But never? That's just turning a blind eye to everything you don't want to see.

Also, if people want to know what the ultimate privilege is, it's being born "normal" looking. Try going through life with a cleft palate (like me) or any other highly visual deformity and you'll experience what it's really like to be discriminated against. At least people that have to deal with racism have others that can relate to them, I've only met one other person with a cleft palate in real life.
Well I ask you these questions.

Do you really think an unarmed white person would be killed by a cop because the cop thought he/she was a criminal?
Do you really think any white person would live in an inner city, run-down "ghetto" neighborhood in the Bronx, South Chicago, etc?
Do you really think white people are called [variety of racial slurs] and terrorists because of their skin color?
Do you really think a white person would do 5 years in prison because they are a weed addict?
Do you really think a white person would get passed down from a job because they have dreads but a black person with dreads wouldn't?

A very, very miniscule number of white folks have actually gone through this, adversely at least one of those things has happened to millions of minorities in America.

I agree with you on the "normal looking privilege". I feel very privileged to not have any physical or congenital malformations; I couldn't imagine what it would be like for the guy who's teased for having Down Syndrome, missing fingers, dwarfism, etc, because they're not "normal looking". However, it is not to be left out that minorities without actual disorders are berated for not looking "normal" by white societal standards, such as having natural dreads, narrow eyes, or big lips.
 
Do you really think an unarmed white person would be killed by a cop because the cop thought he/she was a criminal?

You mean like Daniel Shaver?

Do you really think any white person would live in an inner city, run-down "ghetto" neighborhood in the Bronx, South Chicago, etc?

Yes, in fact I deal with them regularly. White people also rely on government housing (I lived in some when I was little).

Do you really think white people are called n*ggers, illegals, chinks, and terrorists because of their skin color?

Honkey, cracker, redneck, hick, hillbilly. I'm sure there are more but it's late and I need to go to bed.

Do you really think a white person would do 5 years in prison because they are a weed addict?

Yes. Crappy lawyers aren't exclusive to minorities, plenty of white drug addicts have to rely on public defenders as well. Granted when white people get tough sentences it's usually meth related.

Do you really think a white person would get passed down from a job because they have dreads but a black person with dreads wouldn't?

Kind of depends on the job really. If you want to present an actual example I'd be glad to comment further.

A very, very miniscule number of white folks have actually gone through this,

But you said it never happens. Which one is it?

I agree with you on the "normal looking privilege". I feel very privileged to not have any physical or congenital malformations; I couldn't imagine what it would be like for the guy who's teased for having Down Syndrome, missing fingers, dwarfism, etc, because they're not "normal looking". However, it is not to be left out that minorities without actual disorders are berated for not looking "normal" by white societal standards, such as having natural dreads, narrow eyes, or big lips.

As are white people that don't fit into societies ideal image. Ever talk to any unpopular kids in school?
 
As a white person you don't and will never understand. But that's totally ok and not your "fault" in any way. It is hidden in society in such a subtle way nowadays. Like receiving 2 equal resumes with 1 named peter and the other Wang or Ali and subconsciously you are more critical of what is on the "foreign" name. Privilege is a wrong word for it though, because people quickly associate it with "entitled". But how widespread? Everywhere! And to be clear in most cases it isn't a real big issue at all.

I still have a hard time understanding why the privileged group would not detect anything. I'm not basing my opinions on how I'm treated, but on how I see people interact in general. I know about stereotyping and prejudices. While racism and sexism were pretty much absent in my life growing up, homophobia wasn't. I was even raised to think of homosexuals as sick or morally inferior people. I think it's pretty easy to understand how horrible that is without being gay.

In relation to the example that you brought up on names; I don't take a very large role when it comes to hiring in my office, but if foreign names were off-putting a good number of my coworkers would not be here. I did a quick search on the topic and found some supporting evidence for both sides. In particular I found a study referenced here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html

That indicated that last names based on those commonly found in the US census weren't heavily discriminated against. Apparently previous studies used "less realistic" names, although it's interesting that this lead to bias in any case.

On the subject of race, there have been a few incidents in my family of people being discriminated against due to skin color, but when these incidents can be separated by decades I find it hard to attribute them to some overarching embedded bias in society.



Here are just a few examples of hardships nonwhites experience that white people are almost completely immune to:

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Can't agree with a lot of that. For one thing, white people definitely can be fall victim to anything on the list. Secondly, some of those things I wouldn't even consider problems/problems that are actually caused by the victim's race. Representation for example. I don't recall looking for anyone like me as role model growing up. It just didn't matter. If it did I wouldn't have gotten very far into aviation.

What you list as family ties sounds to me like the result of poor choices on the part of the parents. Certain demographics might face this more often, but I don't see where society is contributing to forcing minority groups into these situations, consciously or subconsciously. At the very best, there is going to be blame split between society and the people getting married without the ability to form a cohesive family.
 
Do you really think any white person would live in an inner city, run-down "ghetto" neighborhood in the Bronx, South Chicago, etc?
Marshall Mathers lived in a predominately black neighborhood in Detroit through the 80's and early 90's working jobs to help his mother. In the mid-90's as he was still facing an uphill battle as a white man trying to make it in a majority black industry, he was being asked why didn't he go into rock n' roll instead. He was living in a crime-filled neighborhood of south Detroit with his wife, and when his first daughter was born, he worked 60 hours a week on minimum wage to get by whilst still trying to make a name for himself. In the late 90's, he was evicted from his home and went to Los Angeles for as 1 more effort to make it.

It took Eminem 14 years since he started rapping to finally make it out of poverty in a career where he was immediately looked down upon because he was white despite facing a rough lifestyle people don't assimilate with whites.

The problem with this question is that blacks & other minorities wouldn't live in the "ghetto" either if they had a choice. The people that do unfortunately, don't have such an option to just up and leave easily and that includes the whites stuck there.

BTW, the Bronx is 55% Hispanic, 45% white, & 43% black.
 
I still have a hard time understanding why the privileged group would not detect anything. I'm not basing my opinions on how I'm treated, but on how I see people interact in general. I know about stereotyping and prejudices. While racism and sexism were pretty much absent in my life growing up, homophobia wasn't. I was even raised to think of homosexuals as sick or morally inferior people. I think it's pretty easy to understand how horrible that is without being gay.

In relation to the example that you brought up on names; I don't take a very large role when it comes to hiring in my office, but if foreign names were off-putting a good number of my coworkers would not be here. I did a quick search on the topic and found some supporting evidence for both sides. In particular I found a study referenced here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html

That indicated that last names based on those commonly found in the US census weren't heavily discriminated against. Apparently previous studies used "less realistic" names, although it's interesting that this lead to bias in any case.

On the subject of race, there have been a few incidents in my family of people being discriminated against due to skin color, but when these incidents can be separated by decades I find it hard to attribute them to some overarching embedded bias in society.





Can't agree with a lot of that. For one thing, white people definitely can be fall victim to anything on the list. Secondly, some of those things I wouldn't even consider problems/problems that are actually caused by the victim's race. Representation for example. I don't recall looking for anyone like me as role model growing up. It just didn't matter. If it did I wouldn't have gotten very far into aviation.

What you list as family ties sounds to me like the result of poor choices on the part of the parents. Certain demographics might face this more often, but I don't see where society is contributing to forcing minority groups into these situations, consciously or subconsciously. At the very best, there is going to be blame split between society and the people getting married without the ability to form a cohesive family.

You don't have to understand. It is like being the only foreigner in a dominant white club of friends Your friends try to treat you as equal... but you will always be the "foreigner", even though your not. This by the way isn't racism, but just how the world works. People judge someone by the way someone looks, it is built in our DNA. The "privilege" isn't actually a privilege its just how 1 race communicate and perceive each other of the same race. People from other races are just treated differently. And how are they treated differently? Mainly of how the stereotype is built up in society, through media and politic. If a president claims people from a certain country who happen to be from a certain race to be from "********" countries or are criminals and rapists, People consciously and subconsciously associate someone from that race to be just that. Like "brown" people from perhaps Marocco who some ignorant people might associate with an arab stereotype (Taliban, Isis) , even if it is on another continent.

Generally what I mean is that, what is meant with "privilege", is just being treated normal. And being from another colour you are treated with prejudice with a certain stereotype consciously or subconsciously. It is hard to notice and understand for white people in most circumstances.

I wasn't using the word "colored" to mock or put down non-whites, and colored describes hispanics, asians, and indigenous Americans, not just African Americans. It's no different then calling them people of color, or non-whites, and if you believe it's ok to use the terms "people of color" or "non-white" but not "colored people" to describe people of color, then youre a hypocrite. Besides, if that term is as racist as you claim it to be, then why do so many colored people refer to themselves as "colored people"?

But, even more concerning, you managed to scour through my essay of a post about how racism gives white people benefits and puts minorities at a disadvantage, and all you get out of it was that I'm racist towards black people? If so, then I'm beyond speechless.

I agree! calling someone a certain colour, without the intention to degrade that person isn't racist. It only proves you aren't blind or colour-blind. However treating someone with ill-intent just because he/she is from a certain race or colour is my definition of racism. You cant blame a person, which has never or rarely seen a person of a certain colour too stare or react differently. It is the step after seeing that colour and initial reaction that determines if you are a racist... acknowledging someone skincolour isn't.
 
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Okay fine, I'll amend my post to replace "colored people" with "non-whites" if it changes things for you. I guess I can see where you're coming from, since the term was used to put down blacks during the Jim Crow era, even though I was referring to all non-whites as "colored people", and did not say "colored people" with the intent to demean or discredit black people.

To talk about the n-word: it isn't racist if a black person says it. It is racist, however, for any non-black to say it (hard-r or not), no matter the circumstances. It's as simple as that. It was a term invented to dehumanize blacks, therefore only blacks can use it since black people can't oppress other black people.
If there is an "a" on the end of it instead of "er", and whitey uses it, is it still racist? What if it's a Trini of Indian descent? How about a dark skinned South American of portuguese descent? Is there a guide somewhere as to whom can use this word and it's variants and in what context or is it just whitey that can't use it ever? My son is not white he's kind of coffee with one cream coloured, can he use it?

And for the record, the "n" word wasn't invented to dehumanize blacks it was invented to describe blacks. It's a derivative of the word "Negro" the Spanish and Portuguese word for black. Various derivatives of the word were used for centuries to describe blacks because in a non-derogatory way. It was only in the late 1700's that the "n" word as we know it today became a perjorative.

I don't see how the acknowledgement of white privilege, as well as the acknowledgement of the hardships non-whites endure, has to do with leftism. It's plain facts, so are conservatives really too shallow to accept it? If you deny that whites are at an advantage generally and minorities have to deal with additional problems because of their race, then you are the racist. I'm not saying you're racist. I'm not saying that you must agree with everything I say to not be racist. What I'm saying is, if we truly want to better society for all races, whites need to recognize that they have white privilege and minorities have additional disadvantages. And no, it wouldn't be worth my time to argue with a racist; convincing the racist to see everyone as equal is a much better use of time.
You are saying we're racist. You gave us two alternatives yesterday:
If you deny that it exists, you're either too engrossed in your white privilege and can't see out of it, or you're plain racist.
So either we're too stupid/blind to see it or we're racists. I reject both. I'm neither. I can see white privilege where it exists and I can see female privilege where it exists and I can see all kinds of privilege where it exists for all kinds of groups based on one factor or another. Everyone, or just about, is competing to obtain some kind of privilege, usually on an individual level. Gaining an advantage on the either guy through competition is the essence of life. The role of government is simply to set a level playing field and let everyone compete to the best of their ability, not to enforce equality through some arbitrary standards. That's where leftism comes into play.

Finally, can you explain how Asians are the highest earning ethnic group in the U.S., and by quite some margin, if white privilege is a thing?
 
If there is an "a" on the end of it instead of "er", and whitey uses it, is it still racist? What if it's a Trini of Indian descent? How about a dark skinned South American of portuguese descent? Is there a guide somewhere as to whom can use this word and it's variants and in what context or is it just whitey that can't use it ever? My son is not white he's kind of coffee with one cream coloured, can he use it?

And for the record, the "n" word wasn't invented to dehumanize blacks it was invented to describe blacks. It's a derivative of the word "Negro" the Spanish and Portuguese word for black. Various derivatives of the word were used for centuries to describe blacks because in a non-derogatory way. It was only in the late 1700's that the "n" word as we know it today became a perjorative.

You are saying we're racist. You gave us two alternatives yesterday:
So either we're too stupid/blind to see it or we're racists. I reject both. I'm neither. I can see white privilege where it exists and I can see female privilege where it exists and I can see all kinds of privilege where it exists for all kinds of groups based on one factor or another. Everyone, or just about, is competing to obtain some kind of privilege, usually on an individual level. Gaining an advantage on the either guy through competition is the essence of life. The role of government is simply to set a level playing field and let everyone compete to the best of their ability, not to enforce equality through some arbitrary standards. That's where leftism comes into play.

Finally, can you explain how Asians are the highest earning ethnic group in the U.S., and by quite some margin, if white privilege is a thing?

Culturally Asians are pushed a lot more from a young age to be successful and that materialism is important.
 
Culturally Asians are pushed a lot more from a young age to be successful and that materialism is important.
So I take it that implies that hard work and parents pushing their kids harder to be successful can overcome "white privilege", if it exists against Asians, by a very large margin?
 
Degrading racial stereotypes. This is a more obvious issue. In America, black people are too frequently stereotyped as violent, "ghetto" and welfare reliant, asians are stereotyped as uncool, overly academic-focused, and having poor social skills, and hispanics are stereotyped as undocumented day-laborers who refuse to learn the English language. White people aren't stereotyped like this. Also, there are derogatory terms to describe these minorities, like n*gger, chink, illegal, etc. White people do not have these names to degrade them, and "cracker" doesn't count.

Is "redneck" not a derogatory term? Are the terms "Irish" or "Italian" not sometimes used, probably by other whites, as a way of singling out and stereotyping groups of people in a degrading way?
 
Is "redneck" not a derogatory term? Are the terms "Irish" or "Italian" not sometimes used, probably by other whites, as a way of singling out and stereotyping groups of people in a degrading way?
There are many derogatory terms associated with the Irish and the Italians, along with many other peoples of European heritage. To some degree I think they all underwent some sort of trial by fire upon arrival in America.
 
So I take it that implies that hard work and parents pushing their kids harder to be successful can overcome "white privilege", if it exists against Asians, by a very large margin?

I personally stated that "privilege" is the wrong word, because people tend to associate it to entitled. It can be a double edged sword. Asians are often perceived as academically talented and hardworking, which is not always the case. But indeed yes Asian children are more often then not, pushed very hard. That is where the term "tigermom" came from and it is only a generalisation. Not a rule by thumb.

The higearning Asians you mentioned are either entrepeneurs or high earning professionals. So either they excelled at school or they worked long hours to build up a business. So they actually needed to get higher grades then their "white" peers to stand out.
 
I get the feeling some people see the concept of white privilege as a personal slight on themselves when it's simply an attempt to explain the way things work, a worldview. No judgment is implied in its invocation as far as I can see

Perhaps it's the worldview aspect that is the problem. I live in an overwhelmingly white British area, white privilege in the context of me, is not the same as white privilege for somebody growing up in Los Angeles, for example.
 
I personally stated that "privilege" is the wrong word, because people tend to associate it to entitled. It can be a double edged sword. Asians are often perceived as academically talented and hardworking, which is not always the case. But indeed yes Asian children are more often then not, pushed very hard. That is where the term "tigermom" came from and it is only a generalisation. Not a rule by thumb.

The higearning Asians you mentioned are either entrepeneurs or high earning professionals. So either they excelled at school or they worked long hours to build up a business. So they actually needed to get higher grades then their "white" peers to stand out.
I thought excelling at school, working long ours and getting higher grades was the way for everyone to stand out. Certainly I'm not immune to any of those things. I think if you look at the research you won't find that Asian families having higher expectations for educational achievement and families working harder towards helping their children achieve excellence aren't just baseless generalizations among Asians, it's actually true.
 
I thought excelling at school, working long ours and getting higher grades was the way for everyone to stand out. Certainly I'm not immune to any of those things. I think if you look at the research you won't find that Asian families having higher expectations for educational achievement and families working harder towards helping their children achieve excellence aren't just baseless generalizations among Asians, it's actually true.

That is correct. But you need too look at how a certain race is being perceived in a certain society. Asians are not the ones being called gangbangers, criminals, freeloaders, terrorists, rapists etc. But I imagine that for example the US Chinese are worried about the trade war. It isn't far off, of the US president tweeting negative things about China and its people, when things wont go his way.

disclaimer: political rant below

The president is already successfully demonized Mexicans, muslims and the media. And the biggest reason that he has made the mainstream media the "enemy" now, is because Islamic terrorists haven't been very prominant for a long time, so he just needed to fabricate another "enemy of the people". To keep his following loyal he needs to have a common enemy to feed of

Sorry for going too political... Just needed to vent!
 
That is correct. But you need too look at how a certain race is being perceived in a certain society. Asians are not the ones being called gangbangers, criminals, freeloaders, terrorists, rapists etc. But I imagine that for example the US Chinese are worried about the trade war. It isn't far off, of the US president tweeting negative things about China and its people, when things wont go his way.

disclaimer: political rant below

The president is already successfully demonized Mexicans, muslims and the media. And the biggest reason that he has made the mainstream media the "enemy" now, is because Islamic terrorists haven't been very prominant for a long time, so he just needed to fabricate another "enemy of the people". To keep his following loyal he needs to have a common enemy to feed of

Sorry for going too political... Just needed to vent!
I don't think Trump's rantings have had any effect on Asians or any other group's economic status in the <18 months he's been POTUS, we're talking about historical trends and data here. It's going to take a few years for that to pan out, whichever way the chips fall. Asians includes Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indians, Pakistanis, Filipino, Thai etc. and they outearn white Americans by a wide margin. So how do you explain that this group, which look nothing like white privileged Americans, have historically outperformed white people in terms of income? Why do they not suffer from white privilege? We were at war with many of them last century, we had many racial epithets used to describe them, lots of movies were made about the Yakuza, the Asian drug trade, the evil genocidial communist regimes in the region etc., some of them widely popular, Oscar winning phenomenon. Pakistan is an Islamic country. Why do they not suffer at the hands of White Privilege? The gap between Asian Americans and White Americans is larger than the gap between whites and hispanics in absolute terms. How can this be? How did the Asians acquire their Asian Privilege?
 
I don't think Trump's rantings have had any effect on Asians or any other group's economic status in the <18 months he's been POTUS, we're talking about historical trends and data here. It's going to take a few years for that to pan out, whichever way the chips fall. Asians includes Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indians, Pakistanis, Filipino, Thai etc. and they outearn white Americans by a wide margin. So how do you explain that this group, which look nothing like white privileged Americans, have historically outperformed white people in terms of income? Why do they not suffer from white privilege? We were at war with many of them last century, we had many racial epithets used to describe them, lots of movies were made about the Yakuza, the Asian drug trade, the evil genocidial communist regimes in the region etc., some of them widely popular, Oscar winning phenomenon. Pakistan is an Islamic country. Why do they not suffer at the hands of White Privilege? The gap between Asian Americans and White Americans is larger than the gap between whites and hispanics in absolute terms. How can this be? How did the Asians acquire their Asian Privilege?
Its not privilege if you need to work and outperform others for it. And not all Asian outearn white americans. Like I said Asians excel, because of cultural expectations. They still need to outperform a white person in a lot of cases. Not all Asians outearn white people or are the same by the way. Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are culturally similar. Vietnamese, Cambodians, Thai etc are culturally a different.

Your confusing some things here. white "privilege" is a problem for the races who are treated different negatively for the same performance or experience as a white person. Only because Asians seem to not be affected by white privilege doesn't mean other races aren't affected as much as well. I am Asian myself and being shorter and different looking then my white peers still means I am treated differently then a white person. In some cases to my advantage and in other cases negatively. It wasn't that long ago there was discrimination against Vietnamese during the Vietnam war.
 
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