Why I will most likely stick with Forza 3 over GT5

[G.T.Ace]

I never said any of that was pointless. I was showing that by GT-Ace's logic, (saying this thread is dumb) then so are all of those threads.

Most of these threads are using material we already have. That's a bit different isn't it? dylansan actually made some good points:

1. Why can't we assume most of the cars brought from GT4 and earlier will be standard?

Exactly, we already know that 800 cars from GT4/GTPSP will be Standard cars, the possibility that you pick a Standard car when you use one from GT4 is very high (except for the ones from which we already know that they will be Premium).

2.Why can't we discuss which type of start we hope PD uses in certain events?

Same, we already know both will be featured in GT5, just not the how and when. Although I think this is indeed a kinda useless thread too.

3.Why can't we look through the pictures PD have given us to decide whether they may have included SSR11?

And the same again, people are analyzing known material (plus some unnecessary speculation).

4. Why can't we wonder if the increased inclusion of aircraft could be hinting at something bigger?

While this thread is also using actual material, I never completely got how someone could think we will be able to use aircrafts in GT5.

5. Why can't we assume there are some things we can definitely do, like take photos or race a certain track?

Yup, people say "I will buy a car" or "I wll do license tests" not too unrealistic... *cough*

6. Why can't we hope certain cars will be premium despite the odds against it?

For me this thread is actually useless, while I could also list some cars, it's more or less a wishlist.

7. Why can't we wonder what kinds of prize cars PD will give us, in the hopes that they won't stuff our garage with Nike cars?

I disagree with you there too, this is actually also a thread I would call "dumb", because most people already seem to think they know how it will be in the end.

Like I said, I also find a lot of the threads in the GT5 useless, but how would you find a thread in the GT5 forum where someone says "I most likely won't buy Forza 4, because it doesn't have 3D and headtracking!"? The tenor of threads like this is almost like trolling in my opinion.

EDIT: And again, just because there are useless and "dumb" (sorry by the way if I was too harsh) threads in the GT5 board too, isn't my opinion about this thread here any different.

 

[BaLListic_Evo]

I guess one of my main deals with forza is drifting and how simple it is to get into parties in xbox and carry all your friends into a game. I hope that will be arranged better with GT5.. Currently Im one of the top drifters in RWD drift but im still a gran turismo die hard.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Better yet, to answer Dylansan,
If we get our hopes up too high and not get what we wish, some might go cutting their wrists.

 

[SuperShouden]

I think the title of this thread and then the name of the OP says everything. And the reasons are translated to me as:

1. I'm lazy and don't want to do the work to get all the cars.
2. I'm lazy and don't want to go down to the store and buy the game, nor do I want to order it online.
3. I suck at racing games and I don't want people to realize it.
4. BTW, I don't actually own a PS3.

 

[Eric.]

You know what? I played GT4 all day every day when it was out, only stopping to eat, go to high school, and for a few hours of sleep. I never did get to buy maybe half of the cars. Now, in college, with a job, something that resembles a social life...It'd be pitiful. Cars should be unlocked for free play/arcade mode, as well as online (for those unfamiliar with it, Forza lets you use any stock car online if you don't own it). You should work to be able to buy cars to make your own.

I'm not sure where you're coming up with 2 and 3, but just sounds like trolling to me.

 

[Delirious]

I think the title of this thread and then the name of the OP says everything. And the reasons are translated to me as:

1. I'm lazy and don't want to do the work to get all the cars.
2. I'm lazy and don't want to go down to the store and buy the game, nor do I want to order it online.
3. I suck at racing games and I don't want people to realize it.
4. BTW, I don't actually own a PS3.

Are you sure you aren't trolling?
There isn't an easy way to get all the cars you want in Forza 3
I love the Gran Turismo series...but Forza 3 has some things I really like
What does performance at a game matter to you anyhow?
I own a PS3 and have GT5. I'm gonna play it by ear and see how GT5 is. 60 bucks on a game isn't something I just go do automatically.

 

[Eric.]

Ah well, at least Turn 10 ships their games after they finish them.

 

[dzidza]

Ah well, at least Turn 10 ships their games after they finish them.

That is questionable, i mean the term "Finished".

 

[SuperShouden]

Are you sure you aren't trolling?
There isn't an easy way to get all the cars you want in Forza 3
I love the Gran Turismo series...but Forza 3 has some things I really like
What does performance at a game matter to you anyhow?
I own a PS3 and have GT5. I'm gonna play it by ear and see how GT5 is. 60 bucks on a game isn't something I just go do automatically.

Are you sure you aren't? I mean, you most a thread like this in a GT forum? Really? And you didn't expect to get flamed?

@ Eric - WTF is that supposed to mean? T10, like MS, releases their stuff BEFORE they finish them. And GT5 isn't finished yet. Like Kaz and Sony have been saying. Seriously, yall need to quit whining about crap and be thankful for what you have.

 

[McLaren]

The GT section is at the top of the forums. Go take the comparisons there.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Posting a legitimate discussion thread about why someone might prefer one game over the other doesn't strike me as trolling. Someone popping in to insinuate insults in the OP's general direction without actually providing anything of substance certainly fits the description, though.

Of course, since we don't have a final product in the PD camp, nothing can be said with certainty. But I'm guessing that's why the OP said "most likely". And for some things, I agree; most, if not all, of the cars should be available right from the off in Arcade mode. Maybe some of the extreme cars shouldn't be (people should have to put in some time to take a lap in an F1), but it was frustrating how pick-and-choose Arcade Mode was in GT4. It meant having a friend over, I was limited to the what PD chose, and what I may have unlocked by owning in Sim Mode. Disappointing.

If I were the type to own two systems, I'd gladly play both, and appreciate them for different reasons. But I don't have the time to spend on games as I used to years ago, and I definitely don't feel the need to spend the extra money.

 

[Eric.]

That is questionable, i mean the term "Finished".

Only being able to model 200 cars in five years, then lumping all their leftover cars from the previous game in slightly higher quality, without interiors (yeah, come back here when the game releases and let me know if I'm wrong), and probably with the same sounds seems like an unfinished game to me. If you want to nitpick, T10 had to add shifting animations.

Seriously, yall need to quit whining about crap and be thankful for what you have.

And what is this in response to? You seem to be the one coming onto the Forza forum to whine (or is it troll). I'm not sure if you read the OP (it doesn't seem like it based on your troll-accented post calling the OP lazy, etc), but this thread is actually about why the OP is going to be happily content with FM3 unless GT5 meets certain expectations or has certain features.

 

[dzidza]

Only being able to model 200 cars in five years, then lumping all their leftover cars from the previous game in slightly higher quality, without interiors (yeah, come back here when the game releases and let me know if I'm wrong), and probably with the same sounds seems like an unfinished game to me. If you want to nitpick, T10 had to add shifting animations.

Well Eric, those 200 models will be finished, and 800 of other will be finished (when the game comes out), while in F3 lots of car are not finished (around 70 of them if i remember correctly - all missing working gauges that where advertised, and other things), and there is unfinished career without possibility to implement DLC track, then there is unfinished online (hoppers while we where being told it will be like in F2, with freezing issues, no ability to turn driving aids off completely etc.. )

If you want to nitpick, nitpick objectively, those 200 cars are detailed in a level that Forza 3 isn't, and also T10 ported their cars from previous sequels.

I hate when people bash other games, e.g. Forza3, because all of those problems didn't stop me from enjoying a game and buying F3 CE, PWTS, CSP, Wheel stand, all DLC. Also GT5's problems won't stop me from enjoying it, i will play with Standard cars and with premium.

And to be honest comparing games on to different consoles is in my opinion is childish, it's like comparing F430 and Porsche 911 GT2, it comes down to preferences.

 

[Rdp616]

I don't even think this section should exsist in my opinion...Id GT getting any talk on a Forza forum...Other then bashing? I doubt that...

 

[dzidza]

I don't even think this section should exsist in my opinion...Id GT getting any talk on a Forza forum...Other then bashing? I doubt that...

that's why GTplanet is better forum :-), but you can talk about GT at Forzacentral, and they don't allow bashing GT. For me it's good to have Forza section, it helps with finding drivers to race with.

 

[Terronium-12]

Well Eric, those 200 models will be finished, and 800 of other will be finished (when the game comes out), while in F3 lots of car are not finished (around 70 of them if i remember correctly - all missing working gauges that where advertised, and other things), and there is unfinished career without possibility to implement DLC track, then there is unfinished online (hoppers while we where being told it will be like in F2, with freezing issues, no ability to turn driving aids off completely etc.. )

If you want to nitpick, nitpick objectively, those 200 cars are detailed in a level that Forza 3 isn't, and also T10 ported their cars from previous sequels.

While I do understand the point you're trying to convey, you should heed the advice you're attempting to spread; some cars in Forza 3 may not have working gauges or whatever, however, all cars have an interior view....even those ported from Forza and Forza 2.

 

[LaBounti]

While I do understand the point you're trying to convey, you should heed the advice you're attempting to spread; some cars in Forza 3 may not have working gauges or whatever, however, all cars have an interior view....even those ported from Forza and Forza 2.

I think it was easier to model higher detailed interiors for the FM2 cars and then the 200 some odd new cars for Fm3 to get the final car count of 400ish. I don't mind the Standard cars because we will be able to drive them with better visuals and Most important, better handling over gt4.

if we can customize the Premium cars in GT5 in ways other games can not then I'll be more slightly satisfied.

 

[McLaren]

I don't even think this section should exsist in my opinion...Id GT getting any talk on a Forza forum...Other then bashing? I doubt that...

We have a GT section on FC.com that is just as calm as this area. It's the trouble makers that shouldn't be in the section to begin with.

 

[dzidza]

While I do understand the point you're trying to convey, you should heed the advice you're attempting to spread; some cars in Forza 3 may not have working gauges or whatever, however, all cars have an interior view....even those ported from Forza and Forza 2.

Yes,all cars have interior view, but it might be all generic interiors if the gauges aren't working (which could happen to GT Standard cars). The advice that i am trying to spread is that F3 isn't finished game as Eric is saying.

 

[Eric.]

Well Eric, those 200 models will be finished, and 800 of other will be finished (when the game comes out), while in F3 lots of car are not finished (around 70 of them if i remember correctly - all missing working gauges that where advertised, and other things), and there is unfinished career without possibility to implement DLC track, then there is unfinished online (hoppers while we where being told it will be like in F2, with freezing issues, no ability to turn driving aids off completely etc.. )

If you want to nitpick, nitpick objectively, those 200 cars are detailed in a level that Forza 3 isn't, and also T10 ported their cars from previous sequels.

I hate when people bash other games, e.g. Forza3, because all of those problems didn't stop me from enjoying a game and buying F3 CE, PWTS, CSP, Wheel stand, all DLC. Also GT5's problems won't stop me from enjoying it, i will play with Standard cars and with premium.

And to be honest comparing games on to different consoles is in my opinion is childish, it's like comparing F430 and Porsche 911 GT2, it comes down to preferences.

Those 800 other cars were complete the day GT4 went gold. The difference in rehashing cars between GT4>GT5 and FM1,2>3 is that FM3's cars all look to be roughly the same quality. And they have interiors. By not having interiors on standard cars, they are not finished in respect to the premium cars. You're right about the MoTeC displays on a lot of race cars not working, luckily I hate driving race cars so it isn't an issue to me. I'm not going to go into how much PD/SCEI is scamming unknowing consumers.

Not adding DLC to singleplayer is not making the game "unfinished", nor is implementing a different online system (Che probably lied/spoke too soon, or something if the old Forza system was promised).

I assume you're referring to the steering aid as "no ability to turn driving aids off completely". With a pad, sure its annoying in a few situations. Never used a wheel. But with a pad in GT games there is also a steering buffer.

I don't even think this section should exsist in my opinion...Id GT getting any talk on a Forza forum...Other then bashing? I doubt that...

Then go hide all the other forums but Gran Turismo and go worship Kaz there.

Yes,all cars have interior view, but it might be all generic interiors if the gauges aren't working (which could happen to GT Standard cars). The advice that i am trying to spread is that F3 isn't finished game as Eric is saying.

70 cars (your count) missing (nonfunctional, rather...the display is there), gauges compared to 800 cars missing interiors. I'm not sure what you mean by generic, because the FM3 interiors are still unique despite having a blank MoTeC display.

 

[danielwhite74]

Are you sure you aren't? I mean, you most a thread like this in a GT forum? Really? And you didn't expect to get flamed?

@ Eric - WTF is that supposed to mean? T10, like MS, releases their stuff BEFORE they finish them. And GT5 isn't finished yet. Like Kaz and Sony have been saying. Seriously, yall need to quit whining about crap and be thankful for what you have.

While I agree with your point regarding Forza's development schedule, it's all too easy just to dismiss something that is controversial, or something that you merely disagree with for that matter, as "trolling." The OP isn't trolling at all, he's simply stating his opinion regarding those two games. Granted, it's a rather subjective viewpoint, but it's a perfectly legitimate opinion nonetheless - far from trolling. Unfortunately for the OP, Gran Turismo is highly unlikely to take on the style of more casual driving games, such as Forza, seeing as obtaining vehicles is the series' central progression mechanic, and taking this away is likely to alienate a large proportion of the hardcore fan base. In the light of this dilemma, only a fanboy would see any problems whatsoever with someone favouring the rival brand of driving game. No game exists that can appeal to everyone and anyone.

 

[Rdp616]

Then go hide all the other forums but Gran Turismo and go worship Kaz there.

LOL, "worship" Kaz...From what i've read so far it seems you have some kind of Hatred twoards GT5? Your nitpicking at some pretty ridiculous things. As i said before, what do you want for $60? I think every car will have interior. I don't care if some car's we're "re-done" and brought over from GT4. I don't care if every single entire gauge works. Im just happy it's finally coming out...As well as everybody else should be. Some people (like you) are expecting perfection and that's just outrageous in my opinion.

 

[Terronium-12]

LOL, "worship" Kaz...From what i've read so far it seems you have some kind of Hatred twoards GT5? Your nitpicking at some pretty ridiculous things. As i said before, what do you want for $60? I think every car will have interior. I don't care if some car's we're "re-done" and brought over from GT4. I don't care if every single entire gauge works. Im just happy it's finally coming out...As well as everybody else should be. Some people (like you) are expecting perfection and that's just outrageous in my opinion.

I just wanted to point this out (in regards to what's boldfaced) Kaz is referred to as a "perfectionist" I believe he may have even claimed such himself, so, basically what I'm getting at is what else would you expect from someone calling themselves such? Also, weren't you the one who said this section shouldn't exist?

Why? Because it's Forza, or because this is (primarily) a GT forum?

 

[Scaff]

Gents - The attitudes in this thread need to calm down a lot and do so now.

These semi-personal digs are not needed and should they continue this thread will get locked and warnings/infractions issued.


Scaff

 

[Rdp616]

I just wanted to point this out (in regards to what's boldfaced) Kaz is referred to as a "perfectionist" I believe he may have even claimed such himself, so, basically what I'm getting at is what else would you expect from someone calling themselves such? Also, weren't you the one who said this section shouldn't exist?

Why? Because it's Forza, or because this is (primarily) a GT forum?

I understand that he is referred to as a "perfectionist" but that doesn't mean that's what your gonna get. I think he's had to take on that title cause that's what EVERYONE expects from him. And as for me thinking this thread shouldn't exisit. Why should it? There are plenty of Forza forums out there... All i've read in this thread is bashing on GT5. I think Forza is a great game, but i don't go on a Forza forum complaining about every tiny thing that's wrong with it? Or in GT5's case..What might be wrong with it.

With that being said, im not trying to start a huge argument, I just wanted to voice my opinion..Nothing personal.

 

[Rdp616]

Gents - The attitudes in this thread need to calm down a lot and do so now.

These semi-personal digs are not needed and should they continue this thread will get locked and warnings/infractions issued.


Scaff

Understood.

 

[Terronium-12]

I understand that he is referred to as a "perfectionist" but that doesn't mean that's what your gonna get. I think he's had to take on that title cause that's what EVERYONE expects from him. And as for me thinking this thread shouldn't exisit. Why should it? There are plenty of Forza forums out there... All i've read in this thread is bashing on GT5. I think Forza is a great game, but i don't go on a Forza forum complaining about every tiny thing that's wrong with it? Or in GT5's case..What might be wrong with it.

With that being said, im not trying to start a huge argument, I just wanted to voice my opinion..Nothing personal.

Nothing personal indeed, but all you see is GT bashing? I doubt we're looking in the same places then.

 

[McLaren]

I understand that he is referred to as a "perfectionist" but that doesn't mean that's what your gonna get. I think he's had to take on that title cause that's what EVERYONE expects from him. And as for me thinking this thread shouldn't exisit. Why should it? There are plenty of Forza forums out there... All i've read in this thread is bashing on GT5. I think Forza is a great game, but i don't go on a Forza forum complaining about every tiny thing that's wrong with it? Or in GT5's case..What might be wrong with it.

With that being said, im not trying to start a huge argument, I just wanted to voice my opinion..Nothing personal.

And half the time I read the GT5 forum, I see Forza bashing that is well beyond what is in this thread.

So, what's your point?

 

[Rdp616]

Nothing personal indeed, but all you see is GT bashing? I doubt we're looking in the same places then.

No, not in every thread in the Forza section. Certainly in this thread tho. Maybe bashing is being abit harsh. Let's just say i see alot of complaining about a game that's not even out yet.

 

[Rdp616]

And half the time I read the GT5 forum, I see Forza bashing that is well beyond what is in this thread.

So, what's your point?

Well, i can't speak for everyone. Most of the people hating on Forza never played it. I'm not saying nothing about Forza. My point is that everyone is disecting every single thing that may or may not be in GT5, and saying their not buying it cause of this little thing or that. Like i just said a second ago. Maybe bashing is being too harsh. It's more like alot of complaining.

Again tho, Don't take any of this personally....I enjoy a good debate.