why nascar? is it to help us sales?

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Be happy if you like it, if you dont - just dont give a damn :cool:
Words of wisdom! 👍

I personally don't care about NASCAR, but I don't have a problem with it being in the game either. Having NASCAR in the game will undoubtedly broaden the game's appeal in The States, which in turn will equal more sales for GT5 there. Everybody wins! :D
 
In my opinion every style of racing is boring to watch on the television. There is no Gran Turismo Style. Gran Turismo has put us all behind cars we could only imagine being behind the wheel of. Do you guys not think that all racing should be in "The real driving simulator"? Expand your horizons and think of NASCAR as racing, not something you dis-like. And most likely, NASCAR will be in the Endurance races, such as, Daytona 500 and maybe alot more. I want more races and more unique types at that.
 
This is what can happen at Talladega/Daytona.


Now tell me that is boring.


we would never see that unless its us crashing though (at least offline) because the AI is so bad things like this would never happen...
 
What part of Greycap's post did you not understand? 👎

Personally, NASCAR is the only motorsport that I would ever watch on TV. I love that I can keep track of the race, unlike other motorsports. I've said it once, and I will say it again: watching a race is the most boring thing next to doing nothing that I can think of. I can't support anyone, since i don't know anyone. Racing in real life, or in a game for that matter, on the other hand, is one of the most entertaining things I can do. Does it require skill? Greycap has already proved that it does. Every motorsport requires skill. There are some motorsports however, like drifting, that I dislike since it's not a real race.

NASCAR is, in my opinion, the most important feature I have seen yet coming from GT5. IF I ever get a PS3, you can bet your 🤬 that I will be playing as much as humanly possible for me. :cool:

Good post, this is why NASCAR is good for GT5.
 
i loathe nascar, but i would put it with "sports" like golf, baseball, poker and such where is much more fun to play them than watch them on tv. i have played golf hit a little ball hopefully somewhere near where you want it walk after it hit it again lather rinse repeat, no terribly exciting television or all that exciting to play really until you make a good shot or complete a course with a decent score.

i may hate nsacar because it is boring to watch, i do not watch racing to see crashes happen, i hate the fact that it the most popular motor sport in the USA and when formula 1 or any series i actually enjoy comes over here it gets no attention at all. that some people consider it the pinnacle of motor sports is just sickening. but to drive it? that could be interesting.

evenly matched cars with similar setups and engines and chassis, using drafting and going side by side into turns until there is one in the lead, could be more interesting than the actual watching. just like i rather gouge my eyes out than watch an inning of baseball on tv.
 
Don't get me wrong. I welcome nascar into Gt for the first time. i am sure alot of nascar loyalists are quite happy about it's inclusion. It just strikes me as the motorsport with the least amount of skill required.
 
Ok, what the heck? this went from "why would NASCAR be in GT5", to "is it a real sport, yes on no?" I am american, and I do like to watch NASCAR racing. I will admit it is sometimes boring, but I do like it. NASCAR in america is F1 in Europe and SuperGT in Japan as far as popularity and what people think of it. The guys at PD are absolute geinuses. they would not put something in the game if it wasn't going to be good. The reason for NASCAR in GT5 is to probably introduce a form of motorsport that is not so well known in places outsideo of the US.

Do not get mad at me for this I'm just saying what I think.
 
But the fact is that they do race on road courses. NASCAR is not an oval only series.

The recent race did show that most of the drivers aren't that great at turning right though; they were like a fish out of water while the drivers who had some history on race tracks (as opposed to ovals), did fairly well. Heck, they were the only ones with smiles on their faces on race day.

Think of it as if the FIA decided to include 2 oval races in the F1 calendar. It wouldn't exactly make the cars or drivers any good at them, heck even when they last went to the US GP none of them were all that brilliant on the high-speed bit.
 
I don't care if GT5 has Nascar races just to sell more in the U.S.... For me, the more they put in the game, the best!!

And I don't think Nascar races are boring, and there are "normal" circuits as well in the Nascar races, not just ovals (wich aren't boring, also).
 
-> I like NASCAR because of the Watkins Glen race track. Its one of two NASCAR races that does not go left only. Oh, the other one is already in GT4; the Infenion Raceway Stock Car Circuit, that a giveaway. :)

Watkins Glen International
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-> I've watched the Watkins Glen races, and it was like I'm watching any Touring Car series with a lot more noise involved. :sly:

Nationwide Series


Sprint Series


:)
 
Up until GT4, I thought Oval racing was kind of dull, then they had that mission where you had to draft and then let other cars draft you in order to catch the pack in front of you, it took me ages to figure that out and when I finally beat it, it was one of my proudest moments in GT.

Now in GT5p I downloaded 1 of the top 10 times for Daytona in my favourite car and tried to match that ghost car... I suddenly realised that a whole lap on the edge of traction with bumps in the track unsettling your car and potentially making the difference between 1st and 10th... now throw in a bunch of other real drivers and it became very exciting to me... also it gave me a better feel for my favourite car on the edge and I became more particular about avoiding bumps that may unsettle the car on my favourite tracks.

I even sat and watched NASCAR for the first time on TV the other night (the new OneHD in Australia has some pretty good motorsport coverage) and really enjoyed it, imagining what the drivers are going through and how their drafting strategy plays out.

I would never have bothered if NASCAR wasn't included in GT, and would still have my ignorant opinion that driving in circles is in some way a lesser motorsport.
 
This is a weird thread.. 3 pages and no one actually answered the question at hand.. "why nascar?"

Yes.. it will boost the US sales quite a bit.. especially since those half-assed efforts by EA, the nascar license belongs to a team who is passionate about what they do, instead of just wanting to cash in.

And that brings me to my second point of the answer to this question:
Yamauchi LOVES this sport and was actually "moved" by the sport when he visited a race in the US.. he states this in a interview.
And really, anyone who understands motorsports in general, must know that oval racing is one hell of a sport and not just "taking left turns"... i always cringe a bit when i read this, as it sooo much more then that.

I dont watch the sport that much, as im in europe and they don't broadcast it here where i live.. but i have the utmost respect for the sport.
Also, my love for tactical racing and endurance racing really helps me fuel (pun) the support for this being in a GT game.

Anyone who has love for motorsports in general should at least understand what nascar is, and that it's so much more then just taking left turns.. i think quite a few might actually like it once they played it in GT5 as well.
 
NASCAR in real life may be fun and exiting, but in games, it's boring, very very, VERY boring!!!!!!! The ONLY fun part is making donuts after winning.
 
The voice of experience?

What NASCAR games have you played? Do you have any idea if they were realistic enough as GT5 is supposedly going to be?

I have the feeling that the only things you can do are bashing other sports (NASCAR), games (Forza 3), and cars (supercars < GT-R).

If I remember, you previously asked somewhere why you were allegedly being treated differently for being a twelve year old. You aren't really contributing to be treated like a grown up with those kind of comments, showcasting a huge amount of ignorance in the process. ;)
 
gran turismo is was for racing fans to give feel of actual driving who cannot afford to buy 800 cars and go to different part of the world to test the tracks. but nascar is different with just left turns in oval circuit. that is not gran turismo style. are they bringing nascar to help ebbing away us sales in gran turismo because the recent gran turismo sells much lower quantity than earlier gran turismo? what are your thought?

OK i think i can end this all right now. :sly:

If it's not Gran Turismo style, then why do they have a race on Super speedway (short, oval track) with 100 laps in both GT3 and GT4? Not GT style, huh?
 
This is a weird thread.. 3 pages and no one actually answered the question at hand.. "why nascar?"

Yes.. it will boost the US sales quite a bit.. especially since those half-assed efforts by EA, the nascar license belongs to a team who is passionate about what they do, instead of just wanting to cash in.

And that brings me to my second point of the answer to this question:
Yamauchi LOVES this sport and was actually "moved" by the sport when he visited a race in the US.. he states this in a interview.
And really, anyone who understands motorsports in general, must know that oval racing is one hell of a sport and not just "taking left turns"... i always cringe a bit when i read this, as it sooo much more then that.

I dont watch the sport that much, as im in europe and they don't broadcast it here where i live.. but i have the utmost respect for the sport.
Also, my love for tactical racing and endurance racing really helps me fuel (pun) the support for this being in a GT game.

Anyone who has love for motorsports in general should at least understand what nascar is, and that it's so much more then just taking left turns.. i think quite a few might actually like it once they played it in GT5 as well.

Well said. Thats exactly why.

Having attended quite a few NASCAR races over the years, there is no substitute for the "live" perspective. That is why the attendance figures are so high for this sport.

The following is reprinted from a post I made in another GT5 thread about two months ago:

"BTW while NASCAR is referred to as "turning left" and "round and round", it is difficult to appreciate the real true sense of the speed and competition, they drive those heavy box cars, door handle to door handle, on TV. If you ever have the opportunity, to attend a race at a mile and a half track like LOWES, where they ran the ALLSTAR race last weekend, do yourself a favor and go. The "in attendance" perspective is truly amazing.
To quote the late Cup driver Neil Bonnet, when describing driving the car into the 1st corner at Charlotte(Lowes): "You hit the brake, point it into the corner and drive it in so hard it literally takes your breath away". They were running 10 to 15 mph slower than they do now, when he made that comment. They run right at 190mph lap times now."
 
This is a weird thread.. 3 pages and no one actually answered the question at hand.. "why nascar?"
And that brings me to my second point of the answer to this question:
Yamauchi LOVES this sport and was actually "moved" by the sport when he visited a race in the US.. he states this in a interview.
And really, anyone who understands motorsports in general, must know that oval racing is one hell of a sport and not just "taking left turns"... i always cringe a bit when i read this, as it sooo much more then that.

Exactly. 👍
 
It seems like people on these forums have never heard of the word PREFERENCE, at the end of the day, some people like something, others don't, why do people constantly have to bash other peoples preferences and oppinions around here.

Edit: Although i don't watch NASCAR and have an personal oppinion that it's boring, i feel people underestimate the skill needed in the sport, NASCAR is about overtaking and slipstreaming and making strategic planning of manouvers in advance, racing is not just about going left, right and using the brakes you know, but hey i guess this is what people seem to think it is about hence the bumpercar style gameplay present in GT5p's online mode.
 
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I loved Papyrus Nascar sims, but I am not a Nascar fan, I do look forward to taking a COT into Nurburgring and other bumpy non-oval tracks. I love watching Nascars on other non-oval courses, they look so awkward and out of place but fun. :D
 
The recent race did show that most of the drivers aren't that great at turning right though; they were like a fish out of water while the drivers who had some history on race tracks (as opposed to ovals), did fairly well. Heck, they were the only ones with smiles on their faces on race day.

Think of it as if the FIA decided to include 2 oval races in the F1 calendar. It wouldn't exactly make the cars or drivers any good at them, heck even when they last went to the US GP none of them were all that brilliant on the high-speed bit.

Actually the "road course ringers" are becoming a thing of the past since the regular drivers are better now than in years past. In fact, here is an article discussing just that.
 
dont get me wrong people. i love nascar. i watch it every weekend and i am a huge fan of jeff gordon. the thing is nascar is not so much of a gran turismo of a race. no hard feeling for nascar at all.
 
Why do people have to take the name Gran Turismo so litterally, can't they just settle on ''The real driving simulator'', i want as many vehicle and racing types as possible as long as they have wheels.
 
I have no problem with people not liking NASCAR. What I have a problem with is people being ignorant of NASCAR. I hear the same old garbage. "They only turn left", or, "People only watch for the crashes", etc, etc.

Is it true that a lot of people watch for the crashes? Absolutely. But that's not why I watch. I'll tell you, the most frustrating thing about NASCAR is the crashes. And true fans know this. Nothing is more annoying than having your favorite driver running in a pack of fifteen cars, and some idiot decides that he can fit a square peg in a round hole and turns into the car next to him. In a second, both because of the speed and the proximity that these drivers race at, you have almost no time to react, and you get caught up in a huge wreck that ends your day. I don't cheer this on, but the announcers and broadcasters sure do. But this isn't strictly a NASCAR tactic. I can't even remember how many times I've seen promo spots for other racing series on Speed TV where all the commercial features is crashes. Call it the Micheal Bay school of advertising.

But once you get into the NASCAR world, you realize that there is much more than "turning left". A lot of these drivers, although competitors on the track, are good friends off. They often get together to donate huge amounts of money to different charities. There is an emphasis on teamwork. You can be the fastest driver out on the track, but one mistake by a tire changer and you can loose 10 spots in a few tenths of a second. I think that is what makes NASCAR appealing to me, there is always something going on. It's not always about who is leading, there are cars passing cars on the track every lap, so I never find myself going, well, Johnson is still in first, I guess I'll turn it off. Not when Martin fighting for fifth place with Busch, neither of them giving an inch. When Juan Pablo Montoya joined NASCAR, he had this to say:

“Formula One drivers are convinced that they’re so much better than anyone else,” Montoya, who races alongside Dario Franchitti, the Scottish driver, for the Chip Ganassi team, said. “When I was in F1, every week I was on the podium. It was cool, but is it satisfying? It wasn’t, because it was the most boring races. The guy who started in front of you would drive away from you and the guy who was behind you would drop away from you, unless you ****ed up in qualifying and then you need to have a different pitstop strategy to beat them.”

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In Nascar, there are more than 40 cars racing wheel to wheel for up to three hours. “It’s harder here,” Montoya said. “When you run fifteenth, sometimes you think it sucks. But look at the big picture: fifteenth here is like sixth or seventh in F1, because there are twice as many cars. The incredible thing is here I run fifteenth or twentieth on average and there are four or five weeks in the year where I have a chance of winning. In F1 if you run sixth or seventh, you run sixth or seventh the whole year.

“It doesn’t matter if you’re running for the lead, or for 30th, you’re always racing somebody. That’s much better.”

Although a little brash, I think he kind of scrapes at why a lot of people find NASCAR entertaining. There is just so much going on at a frantic pace that anything can happen, thats how I look at it. If people don't like the sport, I don't have any problem with it. But I've converted quite a few friends who thought it was stupid, who now watch it religiously, have their favorite drivers, and can't wait to get out to the track and watch a race in person. I think half the battle is people aren't willing to give it a chance and write it off way to earlier.

Now, I don't really watch too much F1, but I have respect for the sport. The sheer speeds and g-forces that those cars pull, it is just amazing to me. I can't wait to see Schumacher return at Valencia, even if only temporary. But I like racing in general, whether it be WRC, F1, IRL, NASCAR, WTCC, ALMS, whatever. The more the merrier, and I'm glad to see that Polyphony is going to run the gamut as far as diversity in GT5. It just makes GT a well-rounded racing game that everyone should be able to enjoy, I mean, isn't that the whole point?
 
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