Wii General Discussion
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Not only was the Dreamcast not too early to be a part of the PS2-GCN-XBOX war (albeit ending up in a solid last-place), it was also a part of that war hardware-wise. All four contain 128-bit graphics processors, if I recall correctly.
The Saturn had a 32-bit processor, along with the Playstation. The Nintendo 64's processor was (surprise surprise) 64-bit.
Too bad consoles can't be compared via their processors' "bits" anymore. The XB360, PS3, and Wii will all be 128-bit.
The Saturn had a 32-bit processor, along with the Playstation. The Nintendo 64's processor was (surprise surprise) 64-bit.
Too bad consoles can't be compared via their processors' "bits" anymore. The XB360, PS3, and Wii will all be 128-bit.
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Wolfe2x7
Yeah I agree too bad, that was an easy way for kids to comapare,
"Playstation is better that N64"
"No it's not! N64 is 64bit, Playstation is only 32 soo nah!"
Wolfe2x7The XB360, PS3, and Wii will all be 128-bit.
Yep thats why I'm not getting a PS3, PS2 is just as good cause they are both 128bit.
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$229 sounds very reasonable. 👍 I hope Nintendo will have plenty of Wii at launch. Around November, it should get really hard to find one. Like with almost any consoles.
Last Christmas, even the Xbox, PS2 and GameCube were soldout. It puzzles me how the manufacturers let this happen all the time. Last year's PS2 was the new PSTwo(slim), plus they had distribution issue with their cargo ship, so I can let that one slide. GameCube was a Mario Kart Bundle(with a extra controller!), so there you go. But what was the Microsoft's excuse for Xbox selling out? And all three consoles were pretty ancient too. It's just so frustrating!
Last Christmas, even the Xbox, PS2 and GameCube were soldout. It puzzles me how the manufacturers let this happen all the time. Last year's PS2 was the new PSTwo(slim), plus they had distribution issue with their cargo ship, so I can let that one slide. GameCube was a Mario Kart Bundle(with a extra controller!), so there you go. But what was the Microsoft's excuse for Xbox selling out? And all three consoles were pretty ancient too. It's just so frustrating!
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While I won't complain about $229 if that is what happens, I'd be VERY shocked if the Wii didn't cost $199 here in the US at launch. Every single Nintendo home system has launched at that price. From the NES all the way up to the Gamecube, they have all been $199 at launch here. I think that would be a very good price. I mean, $229 or $249 is still good if you ask me, but I think it will be $199. Which would make it VERY appealing to a lot of people.
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Here you go, US launch dates and price.....
NES - Oct. 18, 1985 $199
SNES - Aug. 13, 1991 $199
N64 - Sept. 29, 1996 $199
Cube - Nov. 18, 2001 $199
Those were all the dates and launch prices for the systems. All have been $199 at launch. The NES price was for the basic bundle, with 2 controllers and Mario. There was the bigger $249 bundle sold at the same timethat had the zapper, ROB, and Duck Hunt and Gyromite. The SNES shipped with Super Mario World. But the N64 and Cube just shipped as a standard set of just system-controller-cables, with no games.
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I think Jjacks is wrong, but without him explaining his reasoning, it's hard to say. I'm guessing that he's thinking along the lines of Nintendo not being able to keep up with the level of technology gamers expect in the next gen(not PS3/X360, but one after that ) consoles.
Also, I think Nintendo armed with Wii and DS this round will be harder to kill than the Nintendo that was armed with GameCube and GB Advance SP like in the last round. I also think it's impossible now for companies like Microsoft to buy them out, after the unexpected level of DS's commercial success.
) consoles.Also, I think Nintendo armed with Wii and DS this round will be harder to kill than the Nintendo that was armed with GameCube and GB Advance SP like in the last round. I also think it's impossible now for companies like Microsoft to buy them out, after the unexpected level of DS's commercial success.
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I have to admit, I was very skeptical at first when I heard all the stuff about the controller back in the day. What was it going to be like, would it suck, would it just be a gimmick??? But honestly, I'm totally sold on it now. Heres why.
I thought the same thing when I first saw stuff on the DS. I just didn't get it. Why do we need 2 screens?? Why a touch screen?? Why?? But then I actually played it. Its amazing. No games I own on my DS are earth shaking for their graphical prowess, or amazing sound, or spectacular CG cut scenes. But, what they are is innovative, fresh and fun to play. Sure, the PSP might have better hardware, or more storage space on the UMD, and a huge screen. But, I haven't bought a PSP game in a VERY LONG TIME. The DS is where its at for portable gaming.
And, the same thing could easily happen in the home as well. We already know Nintendo isn't going to try and wow us with graphics. But, what I've seen so far in demo videos just further echoes what I said about the DS. It might not have the most advanced hardware. But, if it makes you enjoy playing games, who cares. Having fun is what its about, for me at least. I mean, I love my 360. Lots of great games on that. But, I have a feeling, I might be playing a WHOLE LOT of Wii when it comes out.
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I thought the same thing when I first saw stuff on the DS. I just didn't get it. Why do we need 2 screens?? Why a touch screen?? Why?? But then I actually played it. Its amazing. No games I own on my DS are earth shaking for their graphical prowess, or amazing sound, or spectacular CG cut scenes. But, what they are is innovative, fresh and fun to play. Sure, the PSP might have better hardware, or more storage space on the UMD, and a huge screen. But, I haven't bought a PSP game in a VERY LONG TIME. The DS is where its at for portable gaming.
And, the same thing could easily happen in the home as well. We already know Nintendo isn't going to try and wow us with graphics. But, what I've seen so far in demo videos just further echoes what I said about the DS. It might not have the most advanced hardware. But, if it makes you enjoy playing games, who cares. Having fun is what its about, for me at least. I mean, I love my 360. Lots of great games on that. But, I have a feeling, I might be playing a WHOLE LOT of Wii when it comes out.
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Sorry I didn't explain my reasoning in my last post. I was short of time and had to run!
I think after this console Nintendo might stick to selling portable players like their Nintendo DS. Nintendo has always been strong is console sales until recent years. It seems as though Sony and Microsoft saw an opportunity and ran with it, leaving Nintendo in the dust. The Gamecube can't put out the performance of a PS2 or an Xbox. The Wii won't do what a 360 can do or a PS3. It seems to me that they are trying to play catch up and are loosing ground quickly to the sprints given by their rivals.
They have however remained surefooted in the handheld market. The success there has still been hit by the Sony PSP, but Nintendo is better known for it's handheld machines. I feel that Nintendo may just have to start making these handhelds much much better and grow a loyal following of players before Sony and/or Microsoft steals Nintendo's thunder as they both did with the release of their newest consoles.
Please, go easy on me...
I think after this console Nintendo might stick to selling portable players like their Nintendo DS. Nintendo has always been strong is console sales until recent years. It seems as though Sony and Microsoft saw an opportunity and ran with it, leaving Nintendo in the dust. The Gamecube can't put out the performance of a PS2 or an Xbox. The Wii won't do what a 360 can do or a PS3. It seems to me that they are trying to play catch up and are loosing ground quickly to the sprints given by their rivals.
They have however remained surefooted in the handheld market. The success there has still been hit by the Sony PSP, but Nintendo is better known for it's handheld machines. I feel that Nintendo may just have to start making these handhelds much much better and grow a loyal following of players before Sony and/or Microsoft steals Nintendo's thunder as they both did with the release of their newest consoles.
Please, go easy on me...
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I don't think so, but nobody knows atm...
That is wrong. In many aspects the Game Cube is stronger than the PS2.
Less power, yes, but they simply have another philosophy...
Well imo every new generation is a new fight. The PS2 dominated the last generation, but nobody knows how the current fight will end. Once Nintendo was the market leader, they can come back again every generation...
Maybe now, maybe in 5 or in 10 years. It is impossible to predict this now.
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Jjacks, did you even see E3?
Nintendo's floor EASILY got 3 times the traffic of Sony or Microsoft. The place was literally swamped. People actually sprinted to Nintendo's floor (right past the ps3s on display) to be the first ones there.
The Wii is a stronger presence in the market than you think. Don't underestimate it.
Nintendo's floor EASILY got 3 times the traffic of Sony or Microsoft. The place was literally swamped. People actually sprinted to Nintendo's floor (right past the ps3s on display) to be the first ones there.
The Wii is a stronger presence in the market than you think. Don't underestimate it.
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N64 and GameCube lost the console wars, that's true. But IMO, the new Sony and Microsoft consoles are just too expensive. The cheaper of the two, Xbox 360's core system is still $299, but after some games and accessories, you could easily be looking at $500. To many people, even that's a lot of money for video games. I think we all knew many people who didn't own any of the current/last gen. consoles like PS2, Xbox, GameCube, until the price dropped to about the half of the original MSRP.
I'm not saying that price increases aren't justified. I think they are. But Nintendo's console, which was the cheapest to start with also has the smallest price increase since the last generation. I think that's going to give them a bigger edge than many people realize.
As other members have already pointed out, GameCube's performance is more comparable to Xbox than PS2. GameCube actually made a good use of Progressive Scan to make GC Games look really nice. PS2 on the other hand, majority of games I played didn't really look that good with Progressive Scan on. GT4 is of course an exception.
This one, again, other members have already touched on it, so I won't go too much into it.
Wii isn't playing catch up at all. That was GameCube. Nintendo always did their own thing(N64 with cartridge system, GC with their own mini DVD, etc.). But Wii, they have totally separated themselves from the other mainstream consoles. This system does not really have a direct competition. Props to what Duck said, "The PS3 or the 360 can't do what the Wii can."
You haven't noticed the feedback from the gamers? Generally, more people are satisfied with their DS than PSP. PSP hardware might be impressive, but I feel that Sony's philosophy of portable gaming just did not catch on as much as they would have liked. We won't be certain of Nintendo's place as the most dominant portable gaming maker until the new challengers from comapanies like Apple and Microsoft arrive. But I'd be really surprised if those two can actually dethrone Nintendo in the industry that Nintendo just knows way too well. Almost hard to believe as Toyota taking over Ferrari as the most popular exotic car manufacturer. I just don't think the challengers have enough know-hows.
No sweat.
It's not like you were offending anyone.
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Everything I've stated above was out of observations of mine. I never said they were up-to-date observations.
I haven't been reading up on Nintendo as I guess I should have. Thank you all for changing my mind about Nintendo. I'm not a fanboy of any one console, just never thought Nintendo to be as much of a force as Microsoft and Sony. I know they've been in this gaming deal longer than both, but to me at least, it seemed that Nintendo was losing ground in comparison.
Next time I voice an opinion about a console and/or company I'll be sure to read up a little before posting about it. I feel like I'm on a bus. I just got taken to school.
I haven't been reading up on Nintendo as I guess I should have. Thank you all for changing my mind about Nintendo. I'm not a fanboy of any one console, just never thought Nintendo to be as much of a force as Microsoft and Sony. I know they've been in this gaming deal longer than both, but to me at least, it seemed that Nintendo was losing ground in comparison.
Next time I voice an opinion about a console and/or company I'll be sure to read up a little before posting about it. I feel like I'm on a bus. I just got taken to school.
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Next time I voice an opinion about a console and/or company I'll be sure to read up a little before posting about it. I feel like I'm on a bus. I just got taken to school.
It helps to know little bit about the subject first, but you were just stating your take on the subject, it's no big deal. And I don't think you sounded like a fanboy at all.
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Fanboys get under my skin faster than a splinter. I've never been to hot on people who are biased on issues. Most of the time the fanboys only own the system for which the cheer. I totally think it'd be a different case if these kids owned a different system from their favorite. Some would probably start singing a different tune and start fanboying their newest console.
I've just never understood knocking a system simply because you don't favor it's competitor. The specs can be outrageously better on the system they hate and they still won't give credit where it's due.
I guess not being a fan of biasness (<-Spelling?) makes for a good judge though.
I've just never understood knocking a system simply because you don't favor it's competitor. The specs can be outrageously better on the system they hate and they still won't give credit where it's due.
I guess not being a fan of biasness (<-Spelling?) makes for a good judge though.
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I think the other thing to think about with Nintendo is, they are ONLY a game company. So, while they might not sell as many consoles, or games and all that, they don't have as much at stake. They have been, and always will be, just a game company.
But, with MS and Sony, they both got into this game late (pardon the pun), and for very different reasons than Nintendo. They both have these ideas that their console will become a hub for everything in our house to connect to. Watching movies, chatting with friends, listening to music, downloading content, viewing pictures, and oh yea, playing games. Thats all well and good, and there is definitely a place for that these days.
People are very interested in these types of items. And, I must say, I do use my 360 for quite a bit of things like that. I have watched movies on it, I download trailers and things all the time, I listen to music in my games, I chat with friends, and play games. And I'm sure the PS3 will do all of those things, plus some. But, with all the huge horsepower, entertainment-hub capabilities and bleeding edge technology comes greater cost. Both for them to build it, and us to purchase it.
But, that isn't Nintendo's area of business. And, we are seeing exactly that with this "Next Gen" round of consoles. Nintendo is staying out of the high-power arms race this time. The Wii's only task is playing games. Will they be the most graphically intense games out there??? No, not even close. But, they will be very good. The Gamecube, in my opinion, was the most graphically advanced of the last generation consoles. I think RE4 on the GameCube was probably the best looking game on any of the last generation consoles, and it still looks great today. Even if this new console's hardware is only 3-4 times better, that isn't exactly a bad thing.
So, even though they might look like the "Little Man" in this next wave of consoles, they really are doing just fine. When all you have to do is make a console that enables fun gaming, you have that much easier time to focus on making it happen. Where as the other consoles have to attempt to be everything to everyone, and cost a lot on both ends to accomplish those goals, the Wii has very little to worry about. So, even if Nintendo does finish 3rd again in this next series, they will be here for quite some time. People will always want to play games, and when that is all you need to focus on, you will always have a market to cater to.
Hilg
But, with MS and Sony, they both got into this game late (pardon the pun), and for very different reasons than Nintendo. They both have these ideas that their console will become a hub for everything in our house to connect to. Watching movies, chatting with friends, listening to music, downloading content, viewing pictures, and oh yea, playing games. Thats all well and good, and there is definitely a place for that these days.
People are very interested in these types of items. And, I must say, I do use my 360 for quite a bit of things like that. I have watched movies on it, I download trailers and things all the time, I listen to music in my games, I chat with friends, and play games. And I'm sure the PS3 will do all of those things, plus some. But, with all the huge horsepower, entertainment-hub capabilities and bleeding edge technology comes greater cost. Both for them to build it, and us to purchase it.
But, that isn't Nintendo's area of business. And, we are seeing exactly that with this "Next Gen" round of consoles. Nintendo is staying out of the high-power arms race this time. The Wii's only task is playing games. Will they be the most graphically intense games out there??? No, not even close. But, they will be very good. The Gamecube, in my opinion, was the most graphically advanced of the last generation consoles. I think RE4 on the GameCube was probably the best looking game on any of the last generation consoles, and it still looks great today. Even if this new console's hardware is only 3-4 times better, that isn't exactly a bad thing.
So, even though they might look like the "Little Man" in this next wave of consoles, they really are doing just fine. When all you have to do is make a console that enables fun gaming, you have that much easier time to focus on making it happen. Where as the other consoles have to attempt to be everything to everyone, and cost a lot on both ends to accomplish those goals, the Wii has very little to worry about. So, even if Nintendo does finish 3rd again in this next series, they will be here for quite some time. People will always want to play games, and when that is all you need to focus on, you will always have a market to cater to.
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I will buy one Wii.
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***UPDATE***
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157572.html
Well, it looks like the "unofficial" official results are in, as of this posting. The New York Times have said that later today, Sept 14th, at Nintendo's press conference, they will announce launch details, and some more details about the system. I'm going to wait until the OFFICIAL word just to be sure, but right now, things are pretty good.
It appears it will launch November 19th at $249, but will come with "Wii Sports" bundled in. So, my hopes for another $199 launch price were dashed, but getting a game with this system evens it out in my book. And, from the sound of what this article says, the system is shaping up to be a pretty damn sweet machine. I can't wait for this.
More later once official word is out.
Hilg
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157572.html
Well, it looks like the "unofficial" official results are in, as of this posting. The New York Times have said that later today, Sept 14th, at Nintendo's press conference, they will announce launch details, and some more details about the system. I'm going to wait until the OFFICIAL word just to be sure, but right now, things are pretty good.
It appears it will launch November 19th at $249, but will come with "Wii Sports" bundled in. So, my hopes for another $199 launch price were dashed, but getting a game with this system evens it out in my book. And, from the sound of what this article says, the system is shaping up to be a pretty damn sweet machine. I can't wait for this.
More later once official word is out.
Hilg
