Wikileaks

[blaaah]

I think American intelligence and security officials are pulling their hair out in despair at the behaviour of their outspoken politicians and the legal proceedings against wikileaks, surely they realise the damage being done.

 

[Keef]

Haven't looked at 4chan lately but I assume they are totally behind this Assange fella. If he does go down, things could get very interesting.

Which is odd because the beginning of Encyclopedia Dramatica's Wikileaks article sounds pretty negative. Then again, the internet hate machine does not discriminate.

I love how we can't talk about Wikileaks without considering real government politics and 4chan/Anonymous within the same argument. This is...weird.

 

[Anes]

 

[FoolKiller]

If the rape and molestation charges are true than it doesn't seem all that ridiculous.

Roman Polanski and all the governments involved with this current case think it does.

 

[Omnis]

Good point, FK.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

Yeah, the coincidence of these leaks, governments' desperation to hide them, and this supposed rape case is just crazy. Coincidence my ass. I fully believe that it was created by governments specifically to target him. People can call that idea a conspiracy all they want but its no more ridiculous than the things we've found out from these leaks. In fact, it's just more of the same.

Guys, these two girls are die hard feminists. One of them has possibly connections with the CIA. After they had sex with Assagne, they posted in twitter how great/good it was. They invited him to a party.

And one week after they had sex, they visit a speech held by Assange and suddenly they change their minds and say "he violated us".

He didn`t violated him. Unsaved sex can be a crime in Sweden, thats ridicoulus. His condom failed. A red alert for unsaved sex because the crazy swedish laws say its a crime.


They can arrest Assange, but they will never stop the stone which started rolling - You cannot beat the Internet without censoring everything. By censoring everything, you make those people who aren`t really interested in politics and news angry. Then this people will notice too that the USA is no constitutional state.
They will notice that countries like Germany, France or Sweden are just puppets.

If "people in general" were anti-American the U.S. would be a 3rd world country(which it obviously is not), or would probably even die off.

Also, from what I've heard there are a good amount of mirror sites for wikileaks, so in a sense it would be near impossible to actually get rid of.

You make a utterly flawed assumption that goverment/state = people.

I lived in Germany, Austria and Turkey - believe me, at least 80% of the people (especially young men/women) are against the US government.

 

[Dotini]

Guys, these two girls are die hard feminists. One of them has possibly connections with the CIA. After they had sex with Assagne, they posted in twitter how great/good it was. They invited him to a party.

And one week after they had sex, they visit a speech held by Assange and suddenly they change their minds and say "he violated us".

He didn`t violated him. Unsaved sex can be a crime in Sweden, thats ridicoulus. His condom failed. A red alert for unsaved sex because the crazy swedish laws say its a crime.


They can arrest Assange, but they will never stop the stone which started rolling - You cannot beat the Internet without censoring everything. By censoring everything, you make those people who aren`t really interested in politics and news angry. Then this people will notice too that the USA is no constitutional state.
They will notice that countries like Germany, France or Sweden are just puppets.

I think these are all interesting observations. Very interesting. And important if true. Serious journalists are starting to notice that there's some kind of revolution going on. We may be at a time of flux when history takes some important turning point. Assange could end up a martyr to a "brave new world".

 

[spiker]

Does Interpol move non-serial rapists into their most wanted lists often? You can't tell me those rape allegations are legit.

 

[FoolKiller]

You make a utterly flawed assumption that goverment/state = people.

I lived in Germany, Austria and Turkey - believe me, at least 80% of the people (especially young men/women) are against the US government.

Do they still buy American made goods?

Oh, and 100% of GTPlanet's staff are against double posting. Use the Edit button in the future to save yourself some trouble.

 

[Ardius]

Ironic that the isolationist state which was so criticised 100 years ago is now the one with fingers in all the pies. In fact, the America of old is almost completely the opposite of what it is today in several respects, such is life.

Now people suggest America should back off from meddling in the world, it sucks to have power I guess.

 

[Keef]

Ironic that the isolationist state which was so criticised 100 years ago is now the one with fingers in all the pies. In fact, the America of old is almost completely the opposite of what it is today in several respects, such is life.

Now people suggest America should back off from meddling in the world, it sucks to have power I guess.

Isolationist? Don't you mean non-interventionist? Isolationism implies purposefully isolating a nation from foreign affairs, including trade. Back then the term "isolationism" was used to refer to avoiding military conflicts with other nations almost exclusively. Non-interventionism was a key point of early American politics - maintain free trade and state sovereignty while avoiding tragic and costly conflicts and complicated international politics.

Isolationism is the wrong term. Non-interventionism is the correct term. Modern politicians who rant and rave about isolationism and the public who do the same aren't even talking about the right thing to begin with. Non-interventionism is the policy America has lost track of and what it needs to start practicing; we were never an isolationist nation.

I wouldn't be pointing fingers at the United States specifically either. Historically we've been quite stubborn to join in agreements which hamper our national sovereignty. Things like the United Nations and Eurpoean Union would never have flown back in the days of proper American non-interventionism, and frankly many libertarians today think the US should back out of the UN completely, Ron Paul included. The United States has been all too eager to join up in these international alliances within the last 100 or so years, but other nations, especially European countries, even more so. It's dangerous, frankly.

 

[blaaah]

The news today is that 4chan are in support of wikileaks and they brought the Mastercard main website to a shutdown this morning with an attack. I wouldn't be surprised if they attack other American websites too.
Mastercard along with other banks closed down wikileaks bank accounts and credit card payment services. Which is said to be not just under the American governments will but because wilileaks holds information that might lead to the collapse of a bank and or cause worldwide banking chaos again. They are trying to save themselves perhaps.

 

[Anes]

Haha good 'ol anon

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20101208/twl-web-anarchists-target-mastercard-and-3fd0ae9.html

Edit 2: Apparently Assange is Aussie so they're now combining their powers to vote him "Australian of the year"

If you want to help: http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/nominate/

 

[Keef]

For one, Australia is not retarded. Thanks for defending Wikileaks and blaming who is really at fault here - the US government.

EDIT: As of this edit, Mastercard's website is still unresponsive. This is pretty cool actually. Paypal's blog along with Post Finance's website don't work either. I imagine there are a lot of frustrated Post Finance customers over there in Sweden. Hey, the company brought it upon themselves for not supporting free media.

 

[Anes]

I think they're trying to do something with a world bank too. There's talk of 4chan being shut down and Moot charged with a severe crime like cyber terrorism or whatever because they are using his forum to organise co-ordinated cyber attacks.

Edit: 4chan is an american site

 

[nk4e]

I think they're trying to do something with a world bank too. There's talk of 4chan being shut down and Moot charged with a severe crime like cyber terrorism or whatever because they are using his forum to organise co-ordinated cyber attacks.

Edit: 4chan is an american site

If you ever go to that site, there is something you have to agree to before actually posting. In terms that what ever you commit on that site is your fault.

 

[Anes]

If you ever go to that site, there is something you have to agree to before actually posting. In terms that what ever you commit on that site is your fault.

Oh ok I've never posted there but it is free to view.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Got to love the internet. Set the people free

 

[Sureboss]

It's both hilarious and frustrating in its stupidity.

 

[Ardius]

Kind of reminds me of Fight Club, the people speak!

 

[Anes]

Tyler Durden is one of 'their' heroes/mascots/faces along with V from V For Vendetta and the agents from the matrix. There are some really smart people on 4chan but all the throwbacks in evolution gravitate to /b/. I used to spend large amounts of time on the music forum /mu/ until it got overrun by lady gaga fans but the science/math and astronomy sections have some gifted people in there.


Edit: and the auto section has a GT thread

 

[Brett]

For one, Australia is not retarded. Thanks for defending Wikileaks and blaming who is really at fault here - the US government.

I have not really been following the Wikileaks story much, outside of what has been posted in this thread, but one of my initial thoughts was why is/are the person/persons responsible for leaking the information to Wikileaks not getting more news. It seems to me that finding those responsible for the leak is just as important, if not more important, than the person disseminating said information.

 

[Dotini]

It's both hilarious and frustrating in its stupidity.

The internet is like quicksilver, elementally and symbolically both Mercury and Hermes, messenger or harbinger of change. Equally it is the Trickster who governs paradox which is hilarious and the irrational which is frustrating. The Trickster is now at work, spinning mythology.

 

[Owen.C93]

Considering most news sites are spreading these documents that they received from wikileaks, I find it hypocritical for them to blame wikileaks. They are doing the exact same thing...almost.

 

[Dotini]

I have not really been following the Wikileaks story much, outside of what has been posted in this thread, but one of my initial thoughts was why is/are the person/persons responsible for leaking the information to Wikileaks not getting more news. It seems to me that finding those responsible for the leak is just as important, if not more important, than the person disseminating said information.

Ostensibly, the source for the leaks has been in solitary confinement for many months, and is old news himself. He is a 20 year old socially retarded gay Army Private, so they say. He was listening to some Lady Gaga one day in his bunker outside Baghdad, and pressed one button which has seemingly sent the sum total of 200 years of US secrets to a public internet site. That is a hard story to believe without further scrutiny. It is beyond obvious that Assange is connected to a powerful global support web which extends beyond this one jailbird.

 

[FoolKiller]

I have not really been following the Wikileaks story much, outside of what has been posted in this thread, but one of my initial thoughts was why is/are the person/persons responsible for leaking the information to Wikileaks not getting more news. It seems to me that finding those responsible for the leak is just as important, if not more important, than the person disseminating said information.

But see, the guy that supposedly actually leaked the information didn't have sex without a condom, and we cannot let something like that stand.

 

[blaaah]

But see, the guy that supposedly actually leaked the information didn't have sex without a condom, and we cannot let something like that stand.

I think he tried to use a condom but Durex prevented him from buying one citing violation of their terms of use policy.

 

[Touring Mars]

And now Russia want to nominate Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize! Probably just what the Nobel committee didn't want... first they embarrass themselves by awarding the prize to Obama, then they infuriate the Chinese and their allies by awarding the prize to a jailed Chinese dissident, and now the Russians want them to infuriate the Americans...!

 

[Sureboss]

Not sure if this has been posted here, but apparently Sarah Palin has been calling Julian Assange "un-American", that might be because he isn't American.

 

[Owen.C93]

Not sure if this has been posted here, but apparently Sarah Palin has been calling Julian Assange "un-American", that might be because he isn't American.

That woman is a walking facepalm.