Will GT6 have Porsche in it?
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So now PD have to focus on the RUF lineup then
Remember people huayra was exclusive to EA but look at it now on GT6. I hope Porsche also sees the light. ( Are the new Viper was also exclusive to turn 10? I don't know.)
That was completely different. It was a one year timed exclusive with the Huayra. The Porsche deal is an ongoing deal with no end in sight.
There was not a single premium RUF in GT5.
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More like GT3... they haven't even touched the cars ever since... they were some of the worst looking Standards in GT5...
However, It's still a long way before December gets here... either for RUF or Porsche (unlikely but... )
But for what I've seen so far, it's a NO NO for Porsche and a NO NO for new Ruf's...
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Personally, I think Porsche is doing themselves a huge disservice. It was pointed out in this article (Thanks to 05XR8 for finding it.) that despite EA's control, Porsche still have power over what can be done with their brand.
As a youngster, Porsche was the make of car that I thought of when I thought of fast cars. Like many other yet-to-be-shattered-by-the-reality-of-money boys, I told myself that the first car I owned was going to be a Porsche. These days, five main iterations of Gran Turismo later, I don't even consider Porsche. A large part of that would be due to the fact that Gran Turismo is the driving game I play, and Porsche is not in it. Bad luck to Porsche. This is what happens when you make such decisions.
In amongst the talk of tuners and manufacturers and how RUF has made it into Gran Turismo but not other Porsche developers, how certain are we on the suggestion in this thread that tuners have no licensing rights? I wish we had a trademark lawyer to (freely) chip in with an opinion on the topic. The same goes for competition law and EA's decision to allow the use of Porsche for Forza but not PD. Although we don't know the details of negotiations, it would still be interesting in a hypothetical sense.
As a youngster, Porsche was the make of car that I thought of when I thought of fast cars. Like many other yet-to-be-shattered-by-the-reality-of-money boys, I told myself that the first car I owned was going to be a Porsche. These days, five main iterations of Gran Turismo later, I don't even consider Porsche. A large part of that would be due to the fact that Gran Turismo is the driving game I play, and Porsche is not in it. Bad luck to Porsche. This is what happens when you make such decisions.
In amongst the talk of tuners and manufacturers and how RUF has made it into Gran Turismo but not other Porsche developers, how certain are we on the suggestion in this thread that tuners have no licensing rights? I wish we had a trademark lawyer to (freely) chip in with an opinion on the topic. The same goes for competition law and EA's decision to allow the use of Porsche for Forza but not PD. Although we don't know the details of negotiations, it would still be interesting in a hypothetical sense.
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The reason Ruf make it in is quite simple, they are a manufacturer. The cars in GT (and other titles) are not tuned, developed or modified Porsche's, they are Ruf's. As such Porsche have nothing at all to do with the inclusion of Ruf models in any title.
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I would love to see Porsche in the game, it's my favourite marque of all time, but as for doing themselves a disservice, I don't think they are too concerned about that. Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world on a per-car basis and I'm thinking they see little connection between their average customer and videogames.
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They're probably kind of right too, unfortunately. Average 911 owner is supposedly 46 with an income of $384,000. Another ten years and 46 year olds will be of a generation that grew up playing video games, but 36 years ago it was 80's games. Games then weren't creating vehicle attachments like GT and friends may be now.
http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic/7991-statistics-and-demographic-information/
You could argue that they're not looking towards thirty years from now, when current ten year olds may be looking to buy the dream car of their childhood. But really, I'd say most sports car drivers who are interested in more than just going in a straight line would consider a Porsche anyway if they had the money.
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Yes, I get this. I noticed that that is the consensus in the preceding pages of this thread. What I was wondering about, I guess, is the details, the grey areas. RUF are considered a manufacturer by the German government. Is it the government of the state the company is in that decides whether a company is a tuning one or a manufacturing one? If that's the case, the Sovereign Prince of Tonga welcomes you, Teflonicus Manufacturing, and all your "new" ... non-Porsche models and briefcases of money.
And if it's not a mere matter of manufacturer versus tuner, as decided by the home state, then is it a question of differentiation between the original manufacturer and the new product?
Surely it would not be a case of one of the above over the other because that would be far too easy to manoeuvre around. RUF clearly can't put up any car it wants as its own. There must be significant changes. But then PD would take on risk of litigation if it adopted some dodgy Teflonicus Manufacturing brand, and so the question is moot.
Never mind about answering this. I'm really just wondering aloud.
Yes, I have to agree that Porsche aren't too concerned about doing themselves a disservice, but I think they are. The GT series began in 1997, and many of the kids and young adults back then are just reaching the age where premium sports cars are a prospective purchase. People I know and know of are buying sports cars other than Porsche. From Lotus, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Nissan, Ferrari, and Lamborghini. Not one that I know of has a Porsche now. The one who did has switched to Mercedes. As the players of latter iterations of Gran Turismo get older, this imbalance will increase because these are the cars they grow up dreaming about, and the effect of this is 15 or more years down the track.
That's my feeling on this anyway.
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Ruf are recognised as a manufacturers in all the markets the sell in, without it they would not get CoC's (Certificates of Conformity) and therefore not be able to import and sell in those markets.
They have been registered as a manufacturer in Europe (not just Germany - EU regs mean if your recognised in one you are in all EU states) for decades now (1981), and in the US since 1987.
Source - http://www.rufauto.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=161
So its not just Germany, as for difference between Porsche and Ruf keep in mind that most Ruf models only obtain the chassis (without serial number) from Porsche, pretty much everything else is custom built by Ruf (and in a lot of cases they even modify the chassis. As such it would be no different from saying that some late 80's and early 90's Volvo's are in fact Renault, because they use Renault engines and transmissions.
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The actual impact of Porsches absense from the GT series, is difficult to gauge.
Apparently, Porsche must conclude its insignificant.
Since they do have exposure in some other games, they aren't completely MIA from the video game car culture.
With Ruf in the GT series, they do have exposure to a degree.
Arguably, one could say, thats even better exposure.
Because Ruf has been in GT, I've never felt like Porsche wasn't in the game.
Or at least wasn't in name only.
A Ruf is undeniably a Porsche, in the same way a Shelby Mustang, even with its own
seperate manufacture build numbers, is undeniably a Mustang.
Obviously they aren't identical, and to have Porsche model cars in the game,
particularly the race cars would be nice, but we will have to settle for Porsche representation by Ruf only again, I guess.
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On that we will have to agree to disagree.
Ruf do modify Porsche models, but they also manufacture their own models, its worth noting that the Ruf chassis numbers are just that, they are true VIN numbers not simply a build number.
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Anecdotal evidence aside, which is essentially meaningless anyway, 15 years into GT and Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world on a per-car basis. Hard to make any case that not being in GT has affected them in any way. If it means anything, there are many more Porsches than there are of just about any other supercar make here in my hometown, outside of Corvettes.
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The sub license for Turn 10 and EA are a traded. They trade Porsche with Ferrari.
If Sony were to have a peaceful transition like that they would need to get an exclusive license, but then again, two wrongs don't make a right. It just so happened a better way to solve the gap was a sub license trade. It's just Sony doesn't have one.
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Which would be true, if Turn 10 had Porsches in their latest game.
What's that you say? They don't? They couldn't get the license from EA?
It's all about the money. Presumably EA have always priced it too high for PD's taste, and now they've priced it too high for T10 as well.
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Porsches any day please. Audi's are nicely made cars for people who really wanted a BMW or a Merc but who can't a) drive or b) afford one 
I recently drove a 911 gt3 (road version). It was absolutely sensational. I found it quite different from the way any of the Rufs (which are great) handle in gt5. I would love to see the large collection of Porsches that Forza 4 offered as DLC.
What we forget is that in general people who play GT5 aren't typically the same people who Porsche are trying to sell their cars to. The target market are too busy working to gather enough money to buy one to worry about video games (obviously exceptions apply)
I just don't think Porsche are remotely worried about Gran Turismo fans. They will always be a successful aspirational car maker as long as they make inspirational cars.
Pay up please PD and we'll pay you (fairly)
I recently drove a 911 gt3 (road version). It was absolutely sensational. I found it quite different from the way any of the Rufs (which are great) handle in gt5. I would love to see the large collection of Porsches that Forza 4 offered as DLC.
What we forget is that in general people who play GT5 aren't typically the same people who Porsche are trying to sell their cars to. The target market are too busy working to gather enough money to buy one to worry about video games (obviously exceptions apply)
I just don't think Porsche are remotely worried about Gran Turismo fans. They will always be a successful aspirational car maker as long as they make inspirational cars.
Pay up please PD and we'll pay you (fairly)
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Porsches any day please. Audi's are nicely made cars for people who really wanted a BMW or a Merc but who can't a) drive or b) afford one
I recently drove a 911 gt3 (road version). It was absolutely sensational. I found it quite different from the way any of the Rufs (which are great) handle in gt5. I would love to see the large collection of Porsches that Forza 4 offered as DLC.
What we forget is that in general people who play GT5 aren't typically the same people who Porsche are trying to sell their cars to. The target market are too busy working to gather enough money to buy one to worry about video games (obviously exceptions apply)
I just don't think Porsche are remotely worried about Gran Turismo fans. They will always be a successful aspirational car maker as long as they make inspirational cars.
Pay up please PD and we'll pay you (fairly)
I'll add to Porsche's (Volkswagen's) aspirational thinking, in that the brand survives with the Boxer, Cayenne Pepper, Panamera and Cayman bringing in new customers. The 911 on its own, wouldn't satisfy shareholders in this day and age. I just wish I knew why Porsche have the blinders on.
