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And how many people bought GT2 or GT4?
Well, smart alec, I tried googling it because I couldn't remember, and it wasn't coming up. But thank you for being condescending. As always. Rather than trying to have a discussion. Which I was trying to do. You know, furthering discussion, which is supposedly what this place is all about.
We will have to see, since I'm unaware of you doing any work in video games and are simply offering an opinion with no source references. And I'm well aware of the painted-on features like door handles. I have been a member a few months, you know. But we shall see as with everything.
Standards don't have the bodykit options the Prems do - for that matter, they don't all have the same features either. But they seem to race pretty well.
- That's fine, I like diversity too, and I'd love to see a liveried Spyker. I've never said to keep a hoard of duplicates or cars listed by "unique" paint jobs. But likewise, don't expect their consolidation/removal to drop the car count all that much.
- Very clever, Blofeld.
- Where the hell do you get that from??
- I want a Livery Editor.
I'm not sure if some people here want to enjoy Gran Turismo any more, or just pick at it.
Say you have GT3 and GT4 next to each other. Please tell me why you would choose to play GT3.
And how many people bought GT2 or GT4?
As others have said, the Premium car list isn't as much 400-ish cars as it is 300-ish, because of a bunch of race car duplicates. It's also full of a bunch of newer cars I don't really care for, such as the late model Beemers and Benzs which don't really thrill me.
I happen to prefer cars from the 90s to the early 2000s, because I consider this to be the Golden Age of sports car development, before automakers got caught up in making everything look like a curvy bar of soap.
But honestly, if you try to please everyone, you'll waste your entire life doing it.
And what was it I said originally?
I miss the Mazda 6 in Forza because it's a staple of race cars.
That's very nice that you have mad Google skillz. And then of course you spent quite a lot of time focusing on this build of car and saying it wasn't a Mazda 6 anymore. Which fine, it's a gene splice with an RX-8, but the fact of the matter is, people used all manner of Mazdas to race in, like the Mazda 6. And that was my point, that I want to have that Mazda 6 around to race in, and fortunately we have both a Standard and Premium version for just such a purpose.
It's kind of hard to find a Mazda which hasn't been used as a race car.
And ya know what? It's not that important to me to find out and argue about it, because my reason for joining GT Planet is to celebrate and yack about and dream about this series, and what it might be.
I always enjoy the knowledge and insight you bring to discussions.What a load of BS.
If all the standard cars are made premium for GT7 and you have game play like in GT6 well it is not going to be a good game is it.I always enjoy the knowledge and insight you bring to discussions.
No, but the quality of the game will be better. Driving the cars will be more enjoyable; you won't have to worry about silly things like finding a car with an interior view. You won't have to worry about your car looking like crap in photos. You won't have to worry about not being able to fit a wide variety of body parts to it. You won't have to worry about whether you can put number plates on it.If all the standard cars are made premium for GT7 and you have game play like in GT6 well it is not going to be a good game is it.
You can have all the things that you have mention in the game and have a terrible game play like in GT6 and you are going to say this game is awesome ?.No, but the quality of the game will be better. Driving the cars will be more enjoyable; you won't have to worry about silly things like finding a car with an interior view. You won't have to worry about your car looking like crap in photos. You won't have to worry about not being able to fit a wide variety of body parts to it. You won't have to worry about whether you can put number plates on it.
No. I think I've mentioned quite a few times now that the quality of the game will improve. I never said the gameplay itself would be any better, but I suspect that without the 1000 + cars marketing point for PD, they will surely try to significantly improve on other things.You can have all the things that you have mention in the game and have a terrible game play like in GT6 and you are going to say this game is awesome ?.
If there was no standard cars in GT7 and the game play was the same as in GT6 would you still buy it and enjoy it ?"Will standard cars be in GT7"?
Dear God I hope not. And if they are I simply will not be buying GT7.
The game play is the most important thing in a game than anything else.No. I think I've mentioned quite a few times now that the quality of the game will improve. I never said the gameplay itself would be any better, but I suspect that without the 1000 + cars marketing point for PD, they will surely try to significantly improve on other things.
If there was no standard cars in GT7 and the game play was the same as in GT6 would you still buy it and enjoy it ?
Not happening. Sony is requiring a "security chip" that Logitech is refusing to purchase. But, that's another thread.What are they doing about the Logitec steering wheels for GT7 its what most GT players use?
If there was no standard cars in GT7 and the game play was the same as in GT6 would you still buy it and enjoy it ?
The game play is the most important thing in a game than anything else.
No, but the quality of the game will be better. Driving the cars will be more enjoyable; you won't have to worry about silly things like finding a car with an interior view. You won't have to worry about your car looking like crap in photos. You won't have to worry about not being able to fit a wide variety of body parts to it. You won't have to worry about whether you can put number plates on it.
Oh really,Yes, game play DOES make the game. And the more CARS, the better the PLAY.
GT4 > GT3
Yes, game play DOES make the game. And the more CARS, the better the PLAY.
GT4 > GT3
You most certainly don't realize it, but you just sunk the entire argument about "more cars = better gameplay" right here.You can have all the things that you have mention in the game and have a terrible game play like in GT6 and you are going to say this game is awesome ?.
Something that was still wrong.And what was it I said originally?
"Thanks for providing me with the exact type of information that I was asking for in this conversation, dick."That's very nice that you have mad Google skillz.
No, what am I saying is to him if you have all the standard cars went to premium in GT7 and the gameplay is the same as in GT6 like the career mode would it be and awesome game YES/NO and you will find most players would say NO because of the gameplay. So it does not matter how the standard cars look in a game it is the gameplay got to be very good and not the cars in the game.You most certainly don't realize it, but you just sunk your entire argument right here.
Sorry guys, but here I will agree with @SuzukaStar. Gran Turismo 3 has the most sales, because if you go back to 2001 we had a new PlayStation console and most of the people just wanted to "throw away" the bad graphics and the content lack of GT1/GT2. I'm very young to talk about a game I've never experienced, but all these years I've never heard a single person talking about how good was GT3. First of all, Gran Turismo 4 had MUCH more cars, MUCH more tracks, MUCH better Career Mode, SMARTER AI, beautiful soundtracks and more modes to use for your progress, like B-Spec. Also, I believe that the sale numbers does NOT always reflect the perfection of a game. If we start comparing GT3 & GT4 based on the features I mentioned above, I don't think we need to remember the 15 millions of GT3 or the 12 millions of GT4, because everyone knows which game was the best.Yes, game play DOES make the game. And the more CARS, the better the PLAY.
GT4 > GT3
Sorry guys, but here I will agree with @SuzukaStar. Gran Turismo 3 has the most sales, because if you go back to 2001 we had a new PlayStation console and most of the people just wanted to "throw away" the bad graphics and the content lack of GT1/GT2. I'm very young to talk about a game I've never experienced, but all these years I've never heard a single person talking about how good was GT3. First of all, Gran Turismo 4 had MUCH more cars, MUCH more tracks, MUCH better Career Mode, SMARTER AI, beautiful soundtracks and more modes to use for your progress, like B-Spec. Also, I believe that the sale numbers does NOT always reflect the perfection of a game. If we start comparing GT3 & GT4 based on the features I mentioned above, I don't think we need to remember the 15 millions of GT3 or the 11 millions of GT4, because everyone knows which game was the best.
So: GT4 > All GTs with Gran Turismo 6 in 2nd place
And to go on-topic: The solution is NOT start removing all standards or all dublicated cars. If PD do that, we will lose many iconic cars. If PD's people know that they can turn some standards into premiums, they'll do that. They are not silly. I don't care if GT7 will have standard cars or not. I'm sure that there are reasons why PD didn't do the things that always wanted to do. GT7 is a good point to start...
It wouldn' t have been on store shelves when GT5 came out if it wasn't selling. See how that works?Well, we're just going to have to differ on how splendid the car selection will be with a few hundred Premium cars. People like to bring up GT3 and how wonderfully it sold, but forget that SONY milked it to death with bundles and sales across the planet. It was still for sale, new, on store shelves when GT5 came out, for pete's sake.
I'll gladly bring up Forza 5. It's the third best selling game on the XBone, ahead of Battlefield, Watchdogs, FIFA, Assassin's Creed and dozens of other games. Given all the anti-hype surrounding the game and it's "issues" with car and track selection, you've still got a racing game that's not arcade is the third best selling game on the system. Sounds like success to me.And people are also shy about bringing up Forza 5, which has about as many cars, arguably more varied, arguably not, as GT3, tracks too. And ignore the disdain fans of the series gave to it, especially the low track count
Which console game has more premium tracks?The Premium track list in GT6 isn't all that big, and the much loved Nurburgring is kind of straddling the fence, understandably, considering the dozens of square miles of terrain and track that had to be upgraded for GT5.
What's the number for "no big deal"? We don't have official numbers for GT6 sales but every version of the game sold 10 million units+ so I daresay PD wouldn't expect anything much lower than that for GT6. How low can the sales go for this game, when we get official figures, for standards and poor sounds to be considered, "no big deal"?It remains to be seen how well received a GT7 will be with Standard content, but from the way gamers gobbled up GT5, it seems that only the diehards here and on a few other net sites really hate the Standards and car sounds. GT6 is currently the top selling PS3 racer on Amazon at #29 currently, surrounded by shooters, adventure and sports games. GT5 is still trucking in second place at 66. GRID didn't even crack the top 100. In fact, no racing game did, so Gran Turismo is the only racer to make the Top 100 List. So even with all that awful backwards content we're probably getting in GT7, I guess we're all just mindless pawns. Either that, or to most gamers, the Standard stuff is no big deal.
@SlipZtrEm
Concerning the lengthy of time to make cars in GT1 and 2, pardon me for not having just the right google phrase to get that info up, dude, call me a liar some more, please.
On the Standards versus Premium issues you brought up, I could have phrased things a bit better but I'd just awakened. What I meant to say was not all Prems have the same bodykit options. A few can't even be painted, though most of those are Vision GTs.
I figured me mentioning the "painted on door handles" would have sufficed. Obviously except to you, Tor, Penso... You carry on with this matter as if the Standards can't have high resolution textures painted on them. Standards provide a surface to be skinned. If they were reduced to a cube, as you sarcastically asked in one post, you act like they could only have one huge pixel painting each face. T10 imported Forza 1 assets into Forza 2 and their livery painter worked fine. Some cars even had the same unfixed body issues through three games, most of us just dealt with it because it was either that or not play Forza. Maybe we won't get to have any of the same fun with Standards as we do Premiums in GT7. I'm sure you'd say, "Then complain about it." Yeah, we will. I complained about my ten or fifteen grumps about GT5, but nothing was done about them. Like the paint chip deal which you needed to paint a car, that got old quick. But I kept playing. And I didn't drag a bag of poo all over the forums every day over it, or pretend that I was SO OUTRAGED that I hated Kaz, everyone at PD and had thrown my game into the sales bin.
On car styling, do you really not see any difference between Beemers of the 90s through the early 2000s? I don't like hotlinking images, but surely you can google them up and notice how wonderfully different various models of those cars were until we got into 2005 and beyond, and how they were just a little more curvier. Did you go blind before you read my bit about Lamborghini, and how each new model is just a slightly different looking stealthy clamshell? Do you really see no difference between the Countach and the Reventon and Aventador? Ferrari is at least still daring in their designs not to milk one very much. Admittedly the 550 and 575 Maranello and 360 Modena were much too similar, even considering the Maranellos were front engined as their 5 series designation indicates, though I do like the Maranellos. However, you can't accuse Ferrari of being samey samey between the F355, F40, F50 and Enzo. Likewise, I don't consider the Supra MkIV, 300ZX, S2000, Celica ST205, any WRX you care to mention, and several other sports cars from that age to be samey, boring designs. Now if you want a soap dish, that would be the F50. I'm about as fond of that as I am the Toyota FT-1. My car nut associates, mostly friends of my nephew but I hang with them, have lamented this very thing for years, and crave the more different, daring designs of the past, and much prefer the FT-86 prototype to the much tamer, curvier production car. I guess we're all liars too and just don't know it.![]()
I think it belongs here. It's mostly about standards and car modeling which is relevant to the topic at hand. I think it's important that we all understand what's involved and what's at stake when it comes to including 10 year old cars in the game and their possible upgrade to "semi-premium" quality.Or just go to PM's and stop filling up a PUBLIC board with a private discussion, shall we? Hmm.... Mr. MOD?![]()
@TayeezSA
Well, we're just going to have to differ on how splendid the car selection will be with a few hundred Premium cars. People like to bring up GT3 and how wonderfully it sold, but forget that SONY milked it to death with bundles and sales across the planet. It was still for sale, new, on store shelves when GT5 came out, for pete's sake. And people are also shy about bringing up Forza 5, which has about as many cars, arguably more varied, arguably not, as GT3, tracks too. And ignore the disdain fans of the series gave to it, especially the low track count. The Premium track list in GT6 isn't all that big, and the much loved Nurburgring is kind of straddling the fence, understandably, considering the dozens of square miles of terrain and track that had to be upgraded for GT5. The additional Course Maker courses PD provided in GT5 to add to the track variety got mixed reviews here. So I wouldn't consider an all Premium GT7 to be the awesome game everyone here thinks it would be. I got really tired of Forza 2 with its limited courses we ran over and over and OVER again. I got sick of both their desert "Snake" tracks and Tsukuba real fast, and I expect I'd have a similar reaction to Forza 5.
It remains to be seen how well received a GT7 will be with Standard content, but from the way gamers gobbled up GT5, it seems that only the diehards here and on a few other net sites really hate the Standards and car sounds. GT6 is currently the top selling PS3 racer on Amazon at #29 currently, surrounded by shooters, adventure and sports games. GT5 is still trucking in second place at 66. GRID didn't even crack the top 100. In fact, no racing game did, so Gran Turismo is the only racer to make the Top 100 List. So even with all that awful backwards content we're probably getting in GT7, I guess we're all just mindless pawns. Either that, or to most gamers, the Standard stuff is no big deal.
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