will there be any motorcycles in gt7

[Wilsongt6]

Love the idea of bikes in GT7, however it should be put in a completely different category to the A-Spec car career mode. A bit like the Red Bull and Senna in GT6 are separate from the actual game.
Bikes plus the Isle Of Man TT Track would be fantastic. Please make this happen lol

 

[SZRT Ice]

If I want bikes

I'll play a Motorbike game

Keep Gran Turismo a Car game please.

May I ask, what are your least favorite car/vehicle types in GT6?

And since they're your least favorite. How do you deal with them being in the game?

And lastly, why can't you deal with motorcycles the same way when they're added?

And yes, I say "when", because it's only a matter of time.

I see no reason to keep GT "cars only". Reminds me of the water fountains and restrooms that said "whites only". Barbarian mindsets, that is. Evolve already.

 

[iName]

I would probably use bikes more than the cars. I loved tourist trophy because it was so involving, hold R2 to lean forward for less drag, controlling front and rear brakes, and moving side to side in first person around the ring was one of the most fun things I had ever done as a kid. TT even had the hayabusa.

Citroen CV vs Scooter at the nurburgring. Anyone?

 

[FastFurious77]

Well if we're talking about having 2 wheel as well as 4 wheeled fun in GT7, lets have 2 wheel bikes I'm all in for that, lets have 4 wheel quad bikes racing aswell ooh yes indeedy! And more so how about PD make GT7 a hybrid of closed track and open world racing. I know I know theres only so much Gigabytes you can fit on a Blueray I know. But what if? Two disc Bluray game anyone?

I think the bike events will solely be limited to types of career events suited to GP only. Of course you could be allowed to free run or free roam in multiplayer with any vehicle vs any vehicle like say a racing truck ooooh yes please yes please. LOL that would be awesome and funny. Rest assured if bikes come to GT7 I'll give you boys a run for ur money on me old Indian, just under 1000cc in a Drag race against your litttle cc's pfff

 

[Renan_]

Well if we're talking about having 2 wheel as well as 4 wheeled fun in GT7, lets have 2 wheel bikes I'm all in for that, lets have 4 wheel quad bikes racing aswell ooh yes indeedy! And more so how about PD make GT7 a hybrid of closed track and open world racing. I know I know theres only so much Gigabytes you can fit on a Blueray I know. But what if? Two disc Bluray game anyone?

I think the bike events will solely be limited to types of career events suited to GP only. Of course you could be allowed to free run or free roam in multiplayer with any vehicle vs any vehicle like say a racing truck ooooh yes please yes please. LOL that would be awesome and funny. Rest assured if bikes come to GT7 I'll give you boys a run for ur money on me old Indian, just under 1000cc in a Drag race against your litttle cc's pfff

LEL

 

[Johnnypenso]

May I ask, what are your least favorite car/vehicle types in GT6?

And since they're your least favorite. How do you deal with them being in the game?

And lastly, why can't you deal with motorcycles the same way when they're added?

And yes, I say "when", because it's only a matter of time.

I see no reason to keep GT "cars only". Reminds me of the water fountains and restrooms that said "whites only". Barbarian mindsets, that is. Evolve already.

You have to put yourself into the GT mindset to see what could happen if bikes are brought into the game. You don't think equating Jim Crow laws that suppressed black people for 100 years to not including bikes in GT7 is just a tad over the top? Maybe?

The dictionary has something to say about this issue:

gran tu·ris·mo
ˌɡran to͝oˈrizmō/
noun

1. a high-performance model of automobile.

A game with motorcycles is not Gran Turismo, by definition.

 

[Renan_]

You have to put yourself into the GT mindset to see what could happen if bikes are brought into the game. You don't think equating Jim Crow laws that suppressed black people for 100 years to not including bikes in GT7 is just a tad over the top? Maybe?

The dictionary has something to say about this issue:

gran tu·ris·mo
ˌɡran to͝oˈrizmō/
noun

1. a high-performance model of automobile.

A game with motorcycles is not Gran Turismo, by definition.

Beg to differ:

XD

 

[Griffith500]

You have to put yourself into the GT mindset to see what could happen if bikes are brought into the game. You don't think equating Jim Crow laws that suppressed black people for 100 years to not including bikes in GT7 is just a tad over the top? Maybe?

The dictionary has something to say about this issue:

gran tu·ris·mo
ˌɡran to͝oˈrizmō/
noun

1. a high-performance model of automobile.

A game with motorcycles is not Gran Turismo, by definition.

Fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_K1600

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GT_series

GT bikes have existed as long as GT cars have. I wonder how those Kei cars fit into that definition?

The whole idea was to riff off of this hegemonic tradition, to confer a sense of "luxury" and "high class". Also snobbery...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour

 

[SZRT Ice]

You have to put yourself into the GT mindset to see what could happen if bikes are brought into the game. You don't think equating Jim Crow laws that suppressed black people for 100 years to not including bikes in GT7 is just a tad over the top?

All I hear are people against change, and the fears those changes bring which = s.o.s. to me. The heck is a "GT Mindset" anyways? Mindsets like yours? I have just as much of a "GT Mindset" as anyone else. This fanbase is so divided, we can almost never be on the same page, so there's no real such thing as a singular mindset. Imo, the GT mindset is car culture and racing culture. And bikes are closely related to both, so I see no issues past personal preference. And just as I can ignore NASCAR, kublewagons, space rovers and Karts, others can avoid bikes and stick to what they like.

 

[Johnnypenso]

All I hear are people against change, and the fears those changes bring which = s.o.s. to me. The heck is a "GT Mindset" anyways? Mindsets like yours? I have just as much of a "GT Mindset" as anyone else. This fanbase is so divided, we can almost never be on the same page, so there's no real such thing as a singular mindset. Imo, the GT mindset Car culture and racing culture. And bikes are closely related to both, so I see no issues past personal preference. And just as I can ignore NASCAR, kublewagons, space rovers and Karts, others can avoid bikesand stick to what they like.

Perhaps you've outlined some of the problems with GT without realizing it. Maybe there are too many parts of the game that people ignore and not enough of the core content that brought people into the game to begin with. A game without a focus is a game without definition, without an identity. The more of an "everything and anything with wheels" game GT becomes, the less of an "all the latest road and racecars on real and good custom made tracks" it becomes. That's what got GT to the dance, but it seems they are dropping that pretty girl for any girl that winks or smiles at them. Much to their detriment IMO.

 

[SZRT Ice]

We've known this for a long time... GT is a jack of all trades, master of none. But slowly and steadily, the game gets better and better over time. and eventually, it can become the master of many trades with the more that it adds to its repertoire.

I can appreciate the drift events, car customization, concept vehicles, as well as the GT class offerings GT has on offer. I can also appreciate a livery editor, track editor, and an open world/city area or gymkhana area if they were ever to be added.

I don't know what the lot of you feel Gran Turismo is actually about, but personally, I feel that anything that is vehicle/high speed driving/racing related, all fits into the Gran Turismo category. Why put a limit on GT? Why put a cap on how far GT can go? Why not allow GT to evolve to a higher state that could allow more people to enjoy it in a grander way? I don't understand. What are y'all so afraid of? What's keeping you from allowing others to have something that they would enjoy in a game that they love? You can and still will also, I assure you. If you don't like bikes, don't use them. However, I can guarantee you, that even if you do not like bikes. You would still end up trying it out, tinkering with them, and possibly even liking it over numerous of the car/vehicle offerings that GT has on offer.

Take a chance. You never know what could come of it. And as I can recall, it has already been done. Gran Turismo HD is actually a concept for Gran Turismo on the ps3 that had both motorcycles and cars in it. They did not call it Tourist Trophy, they did not call it anything else, other than Gran Turismo. It's still and always will be GranTurismo, and just because it has bikes would not make it any different.

 

[sparkytooth]

I'm down for bikes. Basically anything new I can drive (Or ride in that case), I've got nothing to lose or some sort of arbitrary "GT Mindset" to follow.

 

[FastFurious77]

Well I'd be down for it aswell. And you can always set PP limit in multiplayer races or have car only PP classes or bike only classes just as when you play Go kart only classes you don't drive against any other cars and you only drive karts. But in multiplayer there should be something which allows unlimited driving between cars, go karts and hell bikes. So if that were possible I don't see what anyone else should be so hurt on it.

The thing is that after playing Forza 5 even though it's on a Next Gen system my idea what customization is, is so far beyond Gran Turismo. I've driven loads of cars in Forza 5 now and loads of them feel amazing to drive with great sounding engines just like the real car. Gran Turismo just feel like it has never innovated since well before GT5 when it comes to upgrading a car and painting it. Even Forza 4 had amazing customization but in Forza 5 its taken up a notch from forza 4, the amount of parts you can go into and then go into parts for that part for the engine is amazing. I swap the engine and mod it to over 700 BHP in a old Mini and do the same in a small CRX.

Then you can choose to convert the NA engine to single or twin turbos or superchargers depending on the cars. Then you can choose to swap out between 1-3 engines for most cars and then still have NA or do a turbo conversion to the swap out engine which then allows new turbos to be available after that with a new selection of turbos for the turbo conversion in the new engine you have put in. Every part you fit to the car makes the car a different weight, even the wheels, the tyres for grip levels, and width and diameter.

And you can paint different designs with vinyls or just have wheel certain colours. Or why not cover wheels in multiple vinyls and have your wheels multiple colours. Painting mirrors, bonnets, wings is standard. You can paint doors and roofs if you vinyl them and then you can change the colours. Vinyl certain air intakes or certain features on cars like side skirts to match wings etc... like tron cars.

With the amazing physics which I have to say is much better than Forza 4 which I sold and put down and sold xbox 360 because I hate it. Forza 5 is a lot more refined and much better. The first forza that I can play without hating the handling physics which can be adjusted to different levels. SOme cars feel better than others. Of course I still play GT6 but Driving in Forza is so much more fun. I can tell the difference between driving a ferrar F40 and a ferrari F50, and then driving a McClarent F1. All modeled interiors, amazing graphics, brilliant engine sounds even when sports parts, or race parts are fitted the car sound different but accurate. Yes multiplayer part of Forza is not like GT5 or GT6 not many cars, tracks or a amazing career mode. But I find myself not playing the career.

I'm finding myself just wanting to drive certain cars and cars that aren't in GT6 for the pure thrill and enjoyment of driving around a track, or setting a time attack or testing a car on any track and I aren't caring about the career mode. This is the way it should be. I feel a sense of connection and immersion and excitement in the driving which I don't have in GT6. I then find myself having endless joy with customization. Gran Turismo with customization is back in the early 90's with 0 innovation or improvement in these areas and feels less than basic. I really hope GT7 catches up quickly with Forza 5 or 6. Yes Forza 5 can only go so far with customization but I feel Forza 6 will introduce even better customization.

Yes handling physics cars don't just slide all the time when steering or have an annoying tyre squeal like in Forza 4. Car handle and feel much more realistic and in a way like Gran Turismo if you slow down to decent speed, 70-80mph even is doable. And reall some rwd cars do try to spin out and some don't some are surpisingly stable and seem to stick to the road like a 4wd. You can tell which rwd are trickier than others to drive and aren't as pleasant. Others are real fun. Yes T10 can still refine the way cars accelerate from a standing start with the tyre squeal and how the motion appears visually but if you rev and set off slowly and not slam the accelerator it feels very realistic and better done that Forza 4. But improvements still need to be refined when it comes to stopping and starting I feel. The rest of the experience depends on how that car actually probably drives in real life anyway.

I know the games are both first and foremost about driving and racing realism or simulation. Well all Forza needs is a more exciting and rewarding Career Mode, more track, dynamic weather and day and night cylcles and its well on its way. Customization an innovation in Forza can still get better and I bet it will too like it has gradually gotten better over Forza 4. There are always thins to add or improve on but GT or GT7 has a LOT more work to be done to get to where T10 are.

T10 have almost finally cracked the physics which keeps getting better and better. Now all they need to do is work on things that PD have masses of work to do on. They don't have the premium standard problem ticked for a start. Car sound ticked.. Customization and paint ticked. SOrry for my rant and I'm not turning into a Forza fanboy. I'm just trying to state how much fun I am finding Forza 5 and wish GT6 gave me the same excitement as a GT6 fan too.

 

[Renan_]

Fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_K1600

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GT_series

GT bikes have existed as long as GT cars have. I wonder how those Kei cars fit into that definition?

The whole idea was to riff off of this hegemonic tradition, to confer a sense of "luxury" and "high class". Also snobbery...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour

You explained better than my bicycle joke. XD

Plus: A game that had the car in my avatar deserves bikes in my opinion. lol

 

[littleregret265]

I would be all for bikes at any rate, whether they come in GT7 or TT2 (though I'd expect the latter). Personally I'm not sure how I feel about cars and bikes co-existing online (quick match lobbies would be hellish to say the least), though in any other aspect I'd be fine with a driving-and-riding simulator (worth mentioning, TDU2 released bikes as DLC, and they existed in their open world with cars. However, I don't know whether that was a positive experience for the bikers; I remember seeing them get run over many a time). But the one thing I really want from Polyphony is to bring a really solid game to the table.

Realistically speaking, I couldn't expect them to incorporate bikes. Not yet. Not with such trace amounts of information, despite their resources. And I hope that GT7 is quality work for everything that it will be. If the world is ready after they begin the next-gen, maybe we could see them add a Tourist Trophy Expansion pack in the future (getting wishful, though I'd be just as happy to see TT2). I would like to see the expansion though.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

I for one hope so. Love bikes but didn't like TT cause of that stupid penalty system it had. Get hit by the rider next to me and i get the stupid 10 second penalty which almost evertime killed my race and made me lose 🤬 TT.. So here is to hoping for bikes in gt7

 

[Johnnypenso]

We've known this for a long time... GT is a jack of all trades, master of none. But slowly and steadily, the game gets better and better over time. and eventually, it can become the master of many trades with the more that it adds to its repertoire.

I can appreciate the drift events, car customization, concept vehicles, as well as the GT class offerings GT has on offer. I can also appreciate a livery editor, track editor, and an open world/city area or gymkhana area if they were ever to be added.

I don't know what the lot of you feel Gran Turismo is actually about, but personally, I feel that anything that is vehicle/high speed driving/racing related, all fits into the Gran Turismo category. Why put a limit on GT? Why put a cap on how far GT can go? Why not allow GT to evolve to a higher state that could allow more people to enjoy it in a grander way? I don't understand. What are y'all so afraid of? What's keeping you from allowing others to have something that they would enjoy in a game that they love? You can and still will also, I assure you. If you don't like bikes, don't use them. However, I can guarantee you, that even if you do not like bikes. You would still end up trying it out, tinkering with them, and possibly even liking it over numerous of the car/vehicle offerings that GT has on offer.

Take a chance. You never know what could come of it. And as I can recall, it has already been done. Gran Turismo HD is actually a concept for Gran Turismo on the ps3 that had both motorcycles and cars in it. They did not call it Tourist Trophy, they did not call it anything else, other than Gran Turismo. It's still and always will be GranTurismo, and just because it has bikes would not make it any different.

Tough to responds since if I disagree I'm already painted as "afraid" and someone who is, "[not] allowing others to have something that they would enjoy in a game that they love?".

 

[Griffith500]

Tough to responds since if I disagree I'm already painted as "afraid" and someone who is, "[not] allowing others to have something that they would enjoy in a game that they love?".

Well, it's probably not far from the truth, is it? For example:

Perhaps you've outlined some of the problems with GT without realizing it. Maybe there are too many parts of the game that people ignore and not enough of the core content that brought people into the game to begin with. A game without a focus is a game without definition, without an identity. The more of an "everything and anything with wheels" game GT becomes, the less of an "all the latest road and racecars on real and good custom made tracks" it becomes. That's what got GT to the dance, but it seems they are dropping that pretty girl for any girl that winks or smiles at them. Much to their detriment IMO.

The part in bold seems to be held as some kind of universal ideal, for whatever reason. And that's by the bye when it never actually was what "got it to the dance" (assuming "the dance" is some allegory to "popularity"), at all. Plenty of games had both of those things before GT arrived.

Adding motorbikes won't affect the game structure, because it should have its own section. If anything, adding motorbikes (either inclusively, or, as seems more likely, separately) might mean it's more likely PD will add sandbox-oriented aspects, at least to certain parts of the game. The game could easily be made modular in its content (microtransactions alert).

I personally would rather have more of "everything and anything with wheels", because I like automobiles of all kinds, no matter how many wheels they have. Content is made to fit the game design, not the other way around.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well, it's probably not far from the truth, is it?

Why yes, yes it is.

 

[Griffith500]

Why yes, yes it is.

But all your arguments have been fallacious thus far. What next?

 

[Johnnypenso]

But all your arguments have been fallacious thus far. What next?

Probably more of the same since I don't believe my arguments are any more fallacious than yours. Your opinion may vary.

 

[SZRT Ice]

I would be all for bikes at any rate, whether they come in GT7 or TT2 (though I'd expect the latter). Personally I'm not sure how I feel about cars and bikes co-existing online (quick match lobbies would be hellish to say the least), though in any other aspect I'd be fine with a driving-and-riding simulator (worth mentioning, TDU2 released bikes as DLC, and they existed in their open world with cars. However, I don't know whether that was a positive experience for the bikers; I remember seeing them get run over many a time). But the one thing I really want from Polyphony is to bring a really solid game to the table.

Realistically speaking, I couldn't expect them to incorporate bikes. Not yet. Not with such trace amounts of information, despite their resources. And I hope that GT7 is quality work for everything that it will be. If the world is ready after they begin the next-gen, maybe we could see them add a Tourist Trophy Expansion pack in the future (getting wishful, though I'd be just as happy to see TT2). I would like to see the expansion though.

Man, bike racing was awesome in TDU2 alongside cars. Of course it would require a skilled group of racers, but they were always fun to me. Bikes had it in the corners, cars had it on the straighs. The fact that bikers could fall off gave drivers a fair chance. Good times!

Tough to responds since if I disagree I'm already painted as "afraid" and someone who is, "[not] allowing others to have something that they would enjoy in a game that they love?".

JP, I like you man. You're an intellectual, and you generally have good comments and valid arguments to say. I admire many of the comments made by you. But this was the biggest cop-out I've ever witnessed. Don't victimize yourself, it's not admirable. The statements I made were addressing the naysayers at large. Not you individually. The fans of both bikes AND Gran Turismo are the ones who should feel victimized.

 

[FastFurious77]

Well of course bike and car fans will feel victimized but only because certain individuals have announced their wishes and desires and hopes that they would like GT to become a car and bike simulator which has now focused the Gran Turismo community on a wider scale to wanting bikes, and a community who has been quite content and happy with Gran Turismo thus far as a "Car only" game for quite some time now.

The problem is the question and the wanting and the wishing in the hearts and minds and conciousness of the people which quickly spreads to the minds of many many people. This kind of thing should be voted on on many GT sites and forums. Its obvious GTplanet plays a big role having Q&A and votes for many questions that someone will collect this information for PD. So why not vote this question and how important is it to PD?

The result of this reality is that we suddenly would like to expect anything and everything possible which for PD isn't always completely possible based early on when making decisions, planning and budget maybe. Unless Q1. Sony realises how much they spent to design the PS4 and expect GT7 will be a BIG hit for next gen 2. Knowing Q1 Sony looks at sales figures of previous GT titles or launch titles 3. GT has been previously a big seller for their previous consoles.

These are just a few questions that may determines PD's success and influence sales in GT7 for Sony to sell potentially consoles. Sony must surely help fund PD well and if Sony is bothered for a BIG selling Car racing game for their next gen PS4 so they can make their money back they are losing on its cost of design and production etc... then Sony must donate PD more money or resources that they want and need like M$ do for T10. This may not be the entire reality but the big folks do make all the difference in how good PD's chances are of making a great game.

Personally I'm on both sides of the fence and in between. For me it doesn't bother me. I'm ok if we get bikes and I'm ok if we don't get bikes. If we have cars and bikes I'm ok. The game has made slow progress in many areas for a long time now. But adding bikes won't take much by donating same resources to update the bikes content they already have from tourist trophy to GT. To me adding them or not is just as much time consuming as the content they do or don't have planned inline in terms of car and other contents that hasn't appeared in the game yet or tracks for that matter.

It's really down to how they choose to make KEY business decisions right now or since they started working on GT7 since early on in the PS4 release, and how they choose to plan it out, roll it out. How much is decided on and what is going to be done and what already been done at this stage of progress for PD. I'd sure love to know. But yes they could of course roll out Bikes as DLC. If you've noticed Kaz is a fan of bikes, bikers as I've seen him wear a couple of bike T-shirts when sitting down and consulting.

Plus the fact that PD made a game before called TT about bikes means that with the power of the PS4, kaz can go one step further to realizing his vision of what is possible of where he can go with the game and I'm sure he will push the boundaries and push the envelopes of what is possible with new ideas and features. I'd say that there is a strong possibility of bikes coming to GT but I wouldn't want to bet my life on it. I'd like to see racing trucks lol. More Indy cars, and more cars manufacturers and iconic sports, super and hyper cars to come to GT not already in the game.

 

[Griffith500]

Probably more of the same since I don't believe my arguments are any more fallacious than yours. Your opinion may vary.

If I have said anything fallacious, please point it out. Logic is not a matter of opinion.

 

[Tornado]

I see no reason to keep GT "cars only". Reminds me of the water fountains and restrooms that said "whites only". Barbarian mindsets, that is. Evolve already.

I can think of a pretty big one, but we'll sidestep that for now:
How is keeping a focus on cars in a car racing game series equivalent to the legally enforced segregation of black people from using white facilities? Or is this one of those extremely tortured metaphorical comparisons to make you look more enlightened on the subject, like when people were equating those who made hybrid cars in GT5 with those who raped women on the basis of "they didn't get what they want, so they just took it"?

 

[Griffith500]

I can think of a pretty big one, but we'll sidestep that for now:
How is keeping a focus on cars in a car racing game series equivalent to the legally enforced segregation of black people from using white facilities? Or is this one of those extremely tortured metaphorical comparisons to make you look more enlightened on the subject, like when people were equating those who made hybrid cars in GT5 with those who raped women on the basis of "they didn't get what they want, so they just took it"?

I dunno, I often feel like a second-class citizen around here, mostly because I dont ascribe to the "popularly"* prescribed definition of what GT should and should not be. Which is not to say I can't understand why people don't like / want bikes, I just don't get the silly excuses (mostly borne of fear and ignorance).

*driven by that social phenomenon that creates cliques, trends and other forms of segregation.


Hyperbole is always fun; using an analogy of enforcing, supporting and / or tolerating racial discrimination (and segregation) by way of "conforming to the crowd" and exploiting fear and ignorance to serve as a substitute for close-mindedness and obstinate ignorance in the general case is probably a few steps below equating modding with rape, in terms of its overblownness.

Which makes the equation of the two equations ((no bikes = no blacks) = (modding = rape)) in your post somewhat hyperbolic in itself.

 

[Tornado]

Which makes the equation of the two equations ((no bikes = no blacks) = (modding = rape)) in your post somewhat hyperbolic in itself.

Nope:

Barbarian mindsets, that is. Evolve already.

He equated the two concepts the exact same way as a handful of members did with hybriding in the tailend of the GT5 days. Here's the behavior. Here's the mindset. Here's what that behavior is the same as. And in both cases, the comparisons are so over the top as to make the argument trying to be bolstered look pretty damn meaningless. As such, I'd like him to explain the logic behind the comparison to see whether his reasoning for making the comparison is the same as it was then. You want to talk about whether institutionalized racism isn't or is as bad as rape, and isn't or is as bad as rape to such an extent that bringing it up because people don't want motorcycles in a car racing series makes for a valid analogy, that's on you.


Thanks for playing, though.

 

[Griffith500]

Nope:

He equated the two concepts the exact same way as a handful of members did with hybriding in the tailend of the GT5 days. And in both cases, the comparisons are so over the top as to make the argument trying to be bolstered look pretty damn meaningless. As such, I'd like him to explain the logic behind the comparisons. You want to talk about whether institutionalized racism isn't or is as bad as rape, that's on you.


Thanks for playing, though.

I never placed a hierarchy on rape and racism. Learn to read more better.

You're still a hypocrite.

 

[FastFurious77]

I can understand peoples opinions. Everyone has differing opinions and needs and wants because of hates, dislikes etc... You see there will be GT fans who don't like bikers or aren't interested in bikes or don't like bikes. I fully understand this.

If said bike content ever came to GT7 then PD could easily implement rules and restrictions and locks and keep cars seperate from bikes and have the same rules, restrictions and locks for the multiplayer world and keep the career events seperate. Because Bikes don't race with cars. GT7 could be the first hybrid game where you can choose what kind or type of career or vehicle you would like to race with and then have all the tracks, events and upgrades, options and contents only available for that type of vehicle i.e bike or car. Surely this would then keep people happy? Please I don't want all the haters hitting on me. I been choosy in my words and tried to be careful about what I have said here.

Maybe the games would benefit greatly as two seperate entities more dedicated to their respective sport, racing, culture which would also be awesome. Anyways I can't wait either way with GT7. I'm sure it will be different all over again and their will be something new. I can understand bikes being something fresh and new and all. But PD could just as much add superstock drag cars or racing trucks or goodness knows what you know. I would be down for anything new and interesting. It would bring a diverse culture of all things racing 2 or 4 wheeled together surely not divide people even more but bring them together. This is 2015 and we all need to be respective of other peoples needs? surely!

 

[Griffith500]

I wonder if the objections would be fewer if PD made two entirely separate games instead of DLC / inclusion to GT. It'd be weird, because the two approaches are functionally equivalent for PD's productivity.