Will we Lose Interesting Cars in GT5? Probably.

[STJ88]

The Civic is overhyped and under powered. A Mustang is better everywhere but a very tight technical course. How many people think the Civic iconic? *Crickets*

the new civic type r FD2 is faster than a S2000 and NSX, it will kick the life out of the fat ass mustang. i'm not saying that the mustang is a bad car, but fast is shore isn't. Its a low tech car that was made to go in a straight line.

It's a world racing sim. If you want to get technical with me, tell me 2 high profile racing series in Japan. I know of 1.

Super GT, D1GP, super taikyu and don't forget that the fastest time attack cars are japanese.

 

[Saladine12]

The ultimate reason i regard GT as the master of all, is because of it's sheer amount of variety encomapssing a century of automobile pornography!
Where else am i going to drive/see/hear a:

Alfa Romeo 1300 Junior Zagato 71
Chevrolet Corvair 63
Ford Model T Tourer 1915
Honda 1300 Coupe 9 S 1970.....etc.?

So PD, get it together, drop the multiplicity and keep the history of these machines alive with rare and unique offerings.
After all, it is called 'The Ultimate DRIVING Simulator'.

 

[Greycap]

Pontiac isn't even in the GT Series. It's sad.

For your own good don't try to make people look dumb, it'll hit you back in no time. Ever seen the two generations of the GTO in GT4? Or the Solstice and Sunfire concepts, or even the Vibe? Probably not judging by your comments. But believe me, they are there.

 

[Sniffs]

as long as someone adds at least ONE fox-bod stang, I'll be happy.

I suggested, once, orienting the GT's cars more to the market where they were headed. I was shouted down because it would be too much of a pain in the butt.

 

[Dave A]

I'd still dissagree with that idea, and yes it would be too much of a pain both fom a devlopment standpoint and from the perspective of the gamer that has paid for the game and wants all the cars.

Bottom line, each version should get all the modelled cars, whats the point in PD modelling a car and then only including it in the US version of the game, or European version etc. How would that make someone feel if they lived in another region and really liked that car, shafted, that's how it would make them feel.

 

[Jay]

I'd still dissagree with that idea, and yes it would be too much of a pain both fom a devlopment standpoint and from the perspective of the gamer that has paid for the game and wants all the cars.

Bottom line, each version should get all the modelled cars, whats the point in PD modelling a car and then only including it in the US version of the game, or European version etc. How would that make someone feel if they lived in another region and really liked that car, shafted, that's how it would make them feel.

Spot on, Sure I want some more Australian cars but I don't want GT marketed around Australians at all.

 

[Ardius]

I'd still dissagree with that idea, and yes it would be too much of a pain both fom a devlopment standpoint and from the perspective of the gamer that has paid for the game and wants all the cars.

Bottom line, each version should get all the modelled cars, whats the point in PD modelling a car and then only including it in the US version of the game, or European version etc. How would that make someone feel if they lived in another region and really liked that car, shafted, that's how it would make them feel.

Not to mention that it would take the away the whole reason GT is popular with the car manufacturers in the first place. Marketing certain cars to certain markets might work in some manufacturers minds, but the reason GT originally took off in popularity was because some of the cars were not known in some regions and this helped advertise the car models or manufacturers themselves.

Having certain regions with certains cars is a big step backwards in this sense.

 

[arvin charles]

the new civic type r FD2 is faster than a S2000 and NSX, it will kick the life out of the fat ass mustang.

Nothing against the Civic, but while it may be faster, I'm pretty sure that the other cars you mentioned are more fun to drive.

This reminds me of Dodge stating that the Stealth Turbo was faster than the 911 from 0-60. Well, the 911 is still regarded as a classic while the Stealth is pretty much forgotten. The same could be said about the Type R. Several years from now, the Mustang, NSX and maybe the S2000 will be classics while no one will really care about the Civic.

I suggested, once, orienting the GT's cars more to the market where they were headed.

If you promise cars like Ferrari, Porsche, NSX, RX-7, Viper, Vette, Mustang & GT-R in every version, I wouldn't mind weeding out the bland cars that only have a regional following.

But on the other hand, making separate car lists for every continent just requires more work...and I'd rather PD spend that making new tracks & weather.

 

[Sniffs]

see? this is why I accepted the fact that nobody wants market-specific versions.

I hope they go with the "grab fom online" idea, though.

 

[tupacrulez]

the new civic type r FD2 is faster than a S2000 and NSX, it will kick the life out of the fat ass mustang.

an FF car, faster than a mid engine car, with similar power? ell oh ell. proof, or i don't believe it.

 

[Dave A]

Cornering speeds improve dramitaclly with improved technology, it's not all about power and angine layout. I can completely understand the new Civic tpye R beating an NSX, the NSX is early 90's technology. Check the links in here to see the video of the comparison between the Type R and the S2000/
http://forums.s2kca.com/showthread.php?t=20981

see? this is why I accepted the fact that nobody wants market-specific versions.

I hope they go with the "grab fom online" idea, though.

As long as whats avaialble online isn't what should have been on the disk in the first place. I hated the microtransactions idea PD touted for GT:HD classic, I'm glad they pulled it because o fthe backlash it received. All a bloody con, it would have cost several hundered pounds to get half the cars and tracks we got for £30 in GT4. I don't mind paying for extras, but they have to be reasonably priced and just that, extras, not content that should have been included in the relsease of the game in the first place.

 

[STJ88]

an FF car, faster than a mid engine car, with similar power? ell oh ell. proof, or i don't believe it.

FD2 civic type r VS S2000
FD2 civic type r VS S2000 part2

And about the NSX, honda said when they released the FD2 civic type r. That its faster than a DC5 integra, S2000 and original NA1 NSX. And this isn't the fastest civic, honda also has the mugen RR. It has 15bhp more and weights 40kg less

 

[Ardius]

As long as whats avaialble online isn't what should have been on the disk in the first place. I hated the microtransactions idea PD touted for GT:HD classic, I'm glad they pulled it because o fthe backlash it received. All a bloody con, it would have cost several hundered pounds to get half the cars and tracks we got for £30 in GT4. I don't mind paying for extras, but they have to be reasonably priced and just that, extras, not content that should have been included in the relsease of the game in the first place.

Exactly! So many people seem to ignore or forget this when going on about how great downloadable content is for the "future of games".
Thankfully, the industry has not decided to go forward with most of it (e.g. EA trying to make people pay for features in Battlefield Bad Company, they are now making it mostly free).

There are very few cases where paying for downloadable extras actually makes sense/is worth it. The prime one I can think of is the Singstar/Rock Band/Guitar Hero buying extra songs, but other than that its a largely rip-off market. (even with that, the only worthwhile purchases are few and far between).

The benefit of "customising" your game is outweighed by the fact you are paying the same amount of money for a lot less game.

 

[arvin charles]

There are very few cases where paying for downloadable extras actually makes sense/is worth it. The prime one I can think of is the Singstar/Rock Band/Guitar Hero buying extra songs, but other than that its a largely rip-off market.

I wholeheartedly agree!

 

[Shant J.]

I think we will get back some interesting cars from GT2. For example, in the video where the guy is browsing through PD, you can distinctly make out DB6 under the Aston Martin folder. I'd rather have the DB4 or DB5, but I welcome the DB6 whole-heartedly.

 

[STJ88]

I think we will get back some interesting cars from GT2

I would realy like the cosmo 20B and markII's and chaser's from GT2.

 

[Pupik]

The benefit of "customising" your game is outweighed by the fact you are paying the same amount of money for a lot less game.

It's bad enough we have to buy a new console every five years, so I don't like the idea of being financially milked for more content that should have been contained in the finished product.

 

[dylansan]

I like the idea of knowing that I have the same amount of content on my disk as everyone else, and I have just as much of a challenge to get 100% for that very reason.

 

[tupacrulez]

honda also has the mugen RR

Oh, you mean that one that gets it's tail kicked, spec-wise, by a Cobalt SS?

 

[STJ88]

Oh, you mean that one that gets it's tail kicked, spec-wise, by a Cobalt SS?

Do you know what your talking about? The normal civic type R is faster than a S2000 and the RR is even faster than the normal FD2 type R. So what your saying is that the cobalt SS is faster around a track than a S2000.

And a other thing, neather the RR or type R are sold in the US, so how can you compare them to a cobalt?

240bhp, 1230kg and a active LSD, the best FF car in the world. Beaten by a cobalt SS. They aren't even sold on the same continent, so where did you get your conclusion from?

 

[buickgnx88]

He said spec-wise (i.e. looking at their specifications)

Anyways I think it should be split up more evenly, like giving each general area a percentage of the GT Pie.

For example:
Japan - 25%
US - 22 %
Austrailia - 20%
Eastern Asia/Russia - 5%*
Western Asia - 3%*
Europe - 25%

*Not sure how many companies would come out of these areas

If they could somehow stick to a breakdown such as this, the selection would be more fair to the rest of the globe.

 

[Dave A]

How would Australia account for 20%, don't they only have 2 major manufacturers or something like that.

 

[Ardius]

He said spec-wise (i.e. looking at their specifications)

Anyways I think it should be split up more evenly, like giving each general area a percentage of the GT Pie.

For example:
Japan - 25%
US - 22 %
Austrailia - 20%
Eastern Asia/Russia - 5%*
Western Asia - 3%*
Europe - 25%

*Not sure how many companies would come out of these areas

If they could somehow stick to a breakdown such as this, the selection would be more fair to the rest of the globe.

Increase the percentages for US and Europe, slightly decrease Australia's portion and make the rest 1% and we are in agreement.
Seeing as the majority of the cars will be brand new or classics, neither of these yield many cars from Russia or "Western Asia" (not sure what that means). Eastern Asia is a growing market, especially Korea, China and India, but still not much demand for these cars because they arent anything special.

Australia has notable motorsport and car history, but no where near as much as Europe or the US.

 

[tupacrulez]

I do hope chinese cars aren't involved. Mainly because they are cheap knock offs. even a Yugo, or Lada are so horridly bad that they are 'classic'. but the brilliance B60? it's only first in a crash test failure contest. The 'CEO'? it only gets points for knocking off a BMW SUV.

Korea has ProtoMotors. Bout the best I've heard from them. Never heard of a high performance car from India at all.

 

[buickgnx88]

Basically I just figured up a basic idea, but I suppose to make it more accurate:

Japan - 28%
US - 25%
Australia - 15%
Asia/Russia - 4%
Europe - 28%

If anyone else has a better idea of percentages then by all means post them.

 

[-ultraflow-]

I think the percentages will be:

Japan 30%
Europe 25%
US 10%
Asia 10%
Australia 5%
Tuners 20%

That just a idea . . .

 

[STJ88]

I think this is more realistic.

japan 45%
Europe 25%
US 10%
Austalia 3%
Asia 2% (because how many interesting Hyundai's can you name?)
Tuners 15%

 

[McLaren]

It's practically like that already. I'd rather not see the Japanese take up half the game's car list again.

 

[Joey D]

It's practically like that already. I'd rather not see the Japanese take up half the game's car list again.

Agreed, there are far more nice cars from Europe that I would rather see, be it super cars or just normal every day ones.

 

[Shant J.]

My ideal distribution would look something like this:

Japan: 25%
North America (Canada and U.S.): 25%
Europe: 25%
Oceania (Australia and New Zealand): 10%
Everywhere else (South America, Africa, Asia): 5%
Tuners: 10%