Will we Lose Interesting Cars in GT5? Probably.

[Tornado]

Every N1 gt-r has a blueprint RB26DETT with bigger turbo's and about 10bhp more than a standaard V-spec. And they weigh about 40kg less because they don't have airco and ABS.

Not in GT4 they didn't.

 

[tupacrulez]

LOL STJ...you cannot be serious....there are only a handful of cars that deserve as much attention the skyline got in GT4 (50+) and the skyline ain't one of em.the BMW 3 series, the 911, and perhaps the Vette. And even those don't NEED 50+ versions. there have been many...MANY versions of the 911. even IT doesn't warrant 50 versions of the same series car.25-30, maybe. even that is pushin it.

90 versions of the skyline? If that happens, I might jump ship to Forza.

 

[Jay]

But it's kind of creepy that PD created so many versions of the same car. Imagine a girlfriend that you met a week ago. You exchange photos, so you each have one as a token of your commitment. A few days later, you visit said lady, except there's now 50 photos of you, all over her home.

Oh man that is quote worthy


I see where people are coming from but I personally want more Skylines (I own one among other cars) but more non-GTR models.

The real reason I see so many variations is one as Dave said earlier there is little work they have to do with most of the sub-models and Skylines have a large amount of variations (GT only scratched the surface).
And two people like to drive the exact model car in the game as they own, in Skylines it is very easy to include these variations, but saying that I would like all the small variations in all cars.

The point you make Pupik is whats the point of adding the same car with only 10 extra hp is pointless, when in tuned form they end up being the same. Well I personally and I know of others only really enjoy driving standard cars (I do some tuning for fun), 90% of my Gran Turismo playing is testing standard cars, I enjoy driving two different versions of the same model Prelude/Skyline/Corvette etc, to see how different they are.

BTW I enjoy driving all the cars, not just Skylines or imports in general.

 

[dylansan]

Maybe so, but does that mean two-thirds of the cars in the game should be Japanese, and almost one-fifth should be models of Skyline?

 

[Jay]

Maybe so, but does that mean two-thirds of the cars in the game should be Japanese, and almost one-fifth should be models of Skyline?

Not at all I never said it should, I want more of every car from around the world. I think of it not as "too many Skyline variants" and rather "not enough other car variants".

 

[dylansan]

I agree, but if they already confirmed less cars for GT5, the only way to get more variations of anything is to can something else (or delay the game)

 

[arvin charles]

there are only a handful of cars that deserve as much attention the skyline got in GT4 (50+) and the skyline ain't one of em.the BMW 3 series, the 911, and perhaps the Vette.

Thank you!!! The BMW, 911 & Vette all have a very rich heritage and history that deserves as much if not more of PD's attention than what was given to the Skyline. Nothing against the Skyline, but it is obvious that PD favors it more than any other car.

 

[tupacrulez]

I mean, even if you included every 911 variant from every generation, excluding race models you still wouldn't have as many 911's in the game as the skyline.

 

[Jay]

I agree, but if t's scalehey already confirmed less cars for GT5, the only way to get more variations of anything is to can something else (or delay the game)

There has been confirmation by SCEA that GT5's cars will be at GT4 scale (not to mention the Top gear rumour) and KY said there will be less. We really don't know what we will get.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I mean, even if you included every 911 variant from every generation, excluding race models you still wouldn't have as many 911's in the game as the skyline.

Does that mean we should skimp on the number of Skylines? No.

I want it all. Every gen of everything that's ever been known to perform decent. And at least a few sub-models of each generation. In fact, make that as many as possible.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If, by "interesting cars", you mean the likes of the Jay Leno Tank Car and the Nike One 2022, then I'm all for putting them on the chopping blok.

 

[Lain]

I personally think Polyphony should give away any additional downloadable cars free, and just sell additional tracks. Much less of a nightmare for online races. What if someone wants to use a car that you haven't bought in an online race with you? Sure, the game could probably quickly download the model for that car temporarily before the race commences... but in a worst-case scenario, the game could be faced with the task of having to quickly download 15 car models while the race loads. That won't work. Even having to download a single car model quickly before the race is pushing it.

The only solution to that problem (other than making additional cars free of charge) would be to include the models and textures of any new car packs in a patch which everyone must download if they wish to play online. You'll have the car data on your hard drive, but you won't be able to use them until you buy them. Which I personally wouldn't be too happy about. We could wind up with cars which we can't even use taking up an additional 2-5 gigs of hard drive space.

 

[HolyVolvo]

The problem with the idea of variety with every car is that we would end up with a huge number of vehicles. Let's take the Yaris - we would have 1.3 SR, F, RS, RST, D4-D, T Spirit 1.0, and others.

I would like it if we could have just a few Skylines - Say a V-Spec and a Nur and one of the four door versions - RWD drift.

It would mean we could have a fairer spread of all cars.

 

[tupacrulez]

take a look at the 911. If you wanted every single variation of every 911 generation, you'd have over 3 dozen different models, with decently different aesthetics, or performance, or both. and that's not even the thousands of race models. And really, even i say there is no need for that. And I'm a Zuffenhausen fanatic.

The base model, the top 2 performance versions, and perhaps 1 of the more economical versions is really all we need.

As for the Skyline, the Sedan, the base, and the Spec V is all we need (excluding race versions). If you wanna get into JGTC, perhaps 2 JGTC versions for each generation that it has competed in. etc etc.

As for yay's idea, I like that alot. just have the cars for free, but the tracks for a base price. And lets hope it ain't 12 bucks, like EA did to us with prostreet. that was asschunking at it's finest.

 

[-ultraflow-]

The problem with the idea of variety with every car is that we would end up with a huge number of vehicles. Let's take the Yaris - we would have 1.3 SR, F, RS, RST, D4-D, T Spirit 1.0, and others.

I would like it if we could have just a few Skylines - Say a V-Spec and a Nur and one of the four door versions - RWD drift.

It would mean we could have a fairer spread of all cars.

I fully agree!

In GT5 we dont need so many vehicles with similar characteristics like GT4 (Skylines - RX-7 - Civic - NSX etc...)

In my opinion we can have only 2/3 versions of each car.

Ex:

BMW 135i Coupe '08
BMW 135d Coupe '08

And so maybe we can have a wider variety of cars in GT5 (classics - new model - concept - racing etc...).

 

[arvin charles]

Here's a post from Leostraight6 back in 2004 regarding the range of cars (I think it still applies today)

I love the HUGE jappenese range of cars but if you're going to do that, you must do it to the same extent with european and american cars at leaset (if not us Australians)

Theres about 80 Hondas(the japenese BMW) on the list. Theres about 15 BMWs on the list.

Wheres the equality?

Jaguar, Aston, Alfa, BMW, Mercedes and so many others are underrepresented. KY is supposedly a car buff, and there are LOTS of great cars outside of Japan. Let's hope that GT5 features more diversity than GT4...

 

[Ardius]

Here's a post from Leostraight6 back in 2004 regarding the range of cars (I think it still applies today)



Jaguar, Aston, Alfa, BMW, Mercedes and so many others are underrepresented. KY is supposedly a car buff, and there are LOTS of great cars outside of Japan. Let's hope that GT5 features more diversity than GT4...

Not to mention how we've actually lost some of these cars....GT2 had the Lister Storm road car, Aston Martin DB6, loads of others, which we lost.....and gained a whole load of brand new cars with multiple versions that have little difference between each other.

 

[STJ88]

Jaguar, Aston, Alfa, BMW, Mercedes and so many others are underrepresented. KY is supposedly a car buff, and there are LOTS of great cars outside of Japan. Let's hope that GT5 features more diversity than GT4...

Its a Japanese game, so its only fair that 2/3 of the cars are japanese.

 

[Ardius]

Its a Japanese game, so its only fair that 2/3 of the cars are japanese.

But GT's largest sales are in Europe........or at least most consistently increasing sales. So I dont think that matters at all, it shouldnt matter.

If it was a game made in England, would you justify having 2/3 English cars?

 

[dylansan]

It doesn't matter where it was made! The game is about racing cars, not only Japanese ones. Forgive me moderators, but you, STJ88, are either an idiot or very selfish to think that Japanese cars deserve to be represented more than any other country in the game just because it's made in Japan.

Edit: This website is owned by an American. It's only fair 2/3 of its members are from the US. Would that make sense to you?

 

[Jay]

Here's a post from Leostraight6 back in 2004 regarding the range of cars (I think it still applies today)

And I bet it still will applie in 10 years time.

 

[arvin charles]

STJ88, it doesn't matter if the game was made in Japan, the GT series is made for global consumption, therefore it should cater to the demands of consumers all around the world...

As a producer (whether it be products, games, movies, cars, etc.), you have to consider what your consumer/audience target is and what appeals to them. I'm pretty sure that PD knows that a large majority of their sales come from outside of Japan.

I bet it still will applie in 10 years time.

If PD (or any other company for that matter) ignores what their consumers want, they will eventually go to someone else to fill their needs...

 

[Joey D]

I agree with others in saying that PD shouldn't neglect a world market. I want to be able to experience cars that I couldn't ever dream of seeing or driving. I think one of the reasons so many people got hooked on the Skyline in America was due it making an appearance in GT. Just imagine what others are missing out on.

 

[Jay]

If PD (or any other company for that matter) ignores what their consumers want, they will eventually go to someone else to fill their needs...

Doesn't matter what they add (unless they add everything) there will always be a group of people not happy.

 

[arvin charles]

Doesn't matter what they add (unless they add everything) there will always be a group of people not happy.

While that may be true, but we're not asking for every European/American/Aus. car here, it's fair representation of cars from other continents. I mean there's more Civics in GT than there are Mustangs, even though the Mustang is just as affordable and is one of motoring's most iconic cars.

Like Leostraight6 posted back in 2004, "where's the equality?"

 

[tupacrulez]

LOL 'only fair' that 2/3 of the cars are Japanese... That right there, is freaking quotable in it's stupidity. I'm sorry, that may be offensive, but damn...lol

 

[Sniffs]

actually, one sample from each gen makes sense.

in GT, it was a lot of R32's
in 2, it was R33's
in 4 it's all R34's

unfortunately, they're doing like I see at car shows, which is why I stopped going.
when I used to go to car shows, I saw the same two vehicles dominate the whole show, Chevelles and A's. my step-father gave up his rare Dodge Senior because of the proliferation of A's.

the "british" argument doesn't really apply. they don't have enough common cars that qualify for a Gran Turismo (as proved by the last ep of "top Gear" i watched).

this is why I'd rather see a "buy your own" tacked onto the latest GT...so we can pull our faves and try out the ones we always heard about.

 

[arvin charles]

Here's some food for thought: One of the greatest things about Gran Turismo has been the ability to expose unavailable/rare cars (ie. WRX/Evo/GTR, etc.) to markets (ie. the US) that have never had the chance to experience them.

Now, imagine a 14 year old kid in Japan who'll probably never see or drive a Pontiac Firebird, Lancia Fulvia or a DeTomaso Pantera. Sure, that 14yo will get all the Japanese cars that he/she wished for, but they're also missing out on what's great about GT and that's finding cars that you wouldn't have otherwise known about...

 

[Sniffs]

Here's some food for thought: One of the greatest things about Gran Turismo has been the ability to expose unavailable/rare cars (ie. WRX/Evo/GTR, etc.) to markets (ie. the US) that have never had the chance to experience them.

Now, imagine a 14 year old kid in Japan who'll probably never see or drive a Pontiac Firebird, Lancia Fulvia or a DeTomaso Pantera. Sure, that 14yo will get all the Japanese cars that he/she wished for, but they're also missing out on what's great about GT and that's finding cars that you wouldn't have otherwise known about...

this is why Japan pounced on these lables for US market distribution. the Evo and GT-R came to the US sans Grey-Market because of Gran Turismo.

however, Japan will never reciprocate! all around the world, American vehicles are seen as Junk Piles...just above most British Label common cars. America precieves most European stuff the same way unless it's hyper-luxury stuff. Disintigrating Alphas, self-crashing Audis, and a crap-on-crap yugos have permanently soured america's taste for non-luxury europeans.

the turning point, of course, has now been reached, courtesy of money hungry petroleum (sp) field owners. Saturn is rebadging Opels, Alpha is looking hopefully towards a return to the US, and I think Europe finally learned not to sell us the crap they build for their former Colonial possesions.

besides, I think EVERYBODY'S getting tired of "japan, Inc" running the show when it comes to vehicles (and sending the US the bland ones, while everyone else got the goodies).

now, if ONLY the US would learn the lessons that Europe did (and that means the recovery from WW2, as well).

 

[mustangGT90210]

There are two reason's. Nissan and PD work together and lots of people that buy GT are JDM fan's. So i and many more people like it when there are 30 evo's or 10 supra's.

I would probably be pissed if more than 1/3 of the cars in GT5 is non japanese.

It's a world racing sim. If you want to get technical with me, tell me 2 high profile racing series in Japan. I know of 1.

Its a Japanese game, so its only fair that 2/3 of the cars are japanese.

If it were an American game, would you be mad because 2/3 of the cars were Amercan?

While that may be true, but we're not asking for every European/American/Aus. car here, it's fair representation of cars from other continents. I mean there's more Civics in GT than there are Mustangs, even though the Mustang is just as affordable and is one of motoring's most iconic cars.

Like Leostraight6 posted back in 2004, "where's the equality?"

The Civic is overhyped and under powered. A Mustang is better everywhere but a very tight technical course. How many people think the Civic iconic? *Crickets*

Thank you. Add more Mustangs.

Here's some food for thought: One of the greatest things about Gran Turismo has been the ability to expose unavailable/rare cars (ie. WRX/Evo/GTR, etc.) to markets (ie. the US) that have never had the chance to experience them.

Now, imagine a 14 year old kid in Japan who'll probably never see or drive a Pontiac Firebird, Lancia Fulvia or a DeTomaso Pantera. Sure, that 14yo will get all the Japanese cars that he/she wished for, but they're also missing out on what's great about GT and that's finding cars that you wouldn't have otherwise known about...

Pontiac isn't even in the GT Series. It's sad.