Will we Lose Interesting Cars in GT5? Probably.

[McLaren]

No its a FAIL, when a manufacturer doesn't make it's own engine's.

Congratulations! You know nothing about the automotive world!

 

[Dave A]

And I think we can call an end to this debate, it's pretty obvious why. For some reason Poverty springs to mind.

 

[STJ88]

McLaren, please don't make laugh. Making stupid comments like that. The only thiing you can do is posting comments without arguments. Can't a person say some thing, without being immediately dismissed by you? And my automotive knowledge is probably better than yours, the engine is the soul of the car. And i find it very hard to respect a manufacturer that doesn't make its own engine's. And if you find it necessary to respond to my comment, do it with arguments and not silly pictures. Because if you can't do that, then maybe your the one lacking knowledge

 

[McLaren]

I had to LOL at your comment. Kid, don't even attempt to belittle me, esp. with the idiocy you just posted on the last page.

McLaren, please don't make laugh. Making stupid comments like that. The only thiing you can do is posting comments without arguments.

Irony is still a funny thing.

Can't a person say some thing, without being immediately dismissed by you?

Sure, as long as it isn't something moronic like your previous comments.

And my automotive knowledge is probably better than yours, the engine is the soul of the car.

Nah, you can think that, Mr. I count the Lotus as Japanese because of the engine.

That's hilarious. But the engine does not represent what nationality a car is. A Lotus is English because it is manufactured in the U.K., not Japan because it uses a Japanese engine.

And i find it very hard to respect a manufacturer that doesn't make its own engine's.

So, you have no respect for Pagani. It uses a 7.3-liter Mercedes-Benz engine.
I guess you also have no respect for Rolls-Royce or Bentley? Rolls uses a V12 BMW engine, and Bentley uses a Rolls-Royce V8 in the new Brooklands. NO respect for Jaguar either? They practically use engines derived from Ford engines. You must also have no respect for Aston Martin. The 5.9L V12 found in the Vanquish was designed by Ford Research. Oh, and I can't believe you don't respect McLarenCarsLimited or Bugatti. Using a BMW V12, or Bugatti using a Volkswagen-engineered engine.

It's blasphemy, I tell you.

And if you find it necessary to respond to my comment, do it with arguments and not silly pictures. Because if you can't do that, then maybe your the one lacking knowledge

My knowledge is fine. We can't be too sure on about your knowledge though, if you can't respect manufacturers not building their own engines. I guess you also hate manufacturers who can't build their own platforms. Oh wait, to say that would make your Japanese cars look bad considering Mazda.

 

[T-Squared]

Blue corner wins! It's a knockout! -Ref raises *McLaren*'s arm-

 

[STJ88]

That's hilarious. But the engine does not represent what nationality a car is. A Lotus is English because it is manufactured in the U.K., not Japan because it uses a Japanese engine.

I was just kiddin about the Elise being Japanese. But your theorie is also wrong, '' Lotus is English because it is manufactured in the U.K.'' Lotus is Englis because the company was founded there. Acording to your theorie a civic is british, because its made in swindon

 

[McLaren]

I was just kiddin about the Elise being Japanese. But your theorie is also wrong, '' Lotus is English because it is manufactured in the U.K.'' Lotus is Englis because the company was founded there. Acording to your theorie a civic is british, because its made in swindon

That depends, though. Bugatti's are manufactured in France, yet the previous model was built in Italy.

Either way, it's hilarious that you think it's a "fail" for a manufacturer who can't build their own engine, or that you claim Japanese cars are the fastest time attack cars when one of your links showed a Lotus beating everyone else by 2-3 seconds.

 

[homeforsummer]

Lotus is Englis because the company was founded there.

...and because it's run there, it's products are designed there, it's products are built there... yeah, so we're agreed that Lotus is British then?

Your comment about not respecting manufacturers who don't build their own engines was catastrophically stupid too - you're writing off many of the most significant cars in history. McLaren F1 ring any bells?

And honestly, who gives a 🤬 about time attacks? Really? It seems like your only basis for filling the game with mostly Japanese cars is from their performance in time attacks, and that arguement has been proven pretty shaky already.

 

[Ardius]

No its a FAIL, when a manufacturer doesn't make it's own engine's.

Also, from the link you provided:
"And the fastest car of the day? Tim Mackie in the Pro Concept Racing Lotus Elise took the Open Class victory with a scorching 1:12.02 lap time. This Elise takes down Evos and GT-R's with a supercharged Honda K20A engine swap!"
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/07/07/event-gt-gt-super-lap-australia.aspx

What do you say now, troll?

 

[STJ88]

Either way, it's hilarious that you think it's a "fail" for a manufacturer who can't build their own engine, or that you claim Japanese cars are the fastest time attack cars when one of your links showed a Lotus beating everyone else by 2-3 seconds.

So wat a UK car won a race, i didn't say it imposible. But you can't deny that the Japanese dominate the time-attack scene.

What do you say now, troll?

First of all why call people name's for no reason. I coud call you a retard now, for not knowing that all new elise's us 1ZZ-FE and 2ZZ-GE's. That what you showd is a toyota 2ZZ-GE. Lotus Elise wiki

So please check some thing next time before you start calling people stupid name's. Because you could end up being the troll

 

[McLaren]

So wat a UK car won a race, i didn't say it imposible. But you can't deny that the Japanese dominate the time-attack scene.

Dominating and being the fastest aren't the same things, and not all time attacks are the same, or run the same cars. The only reason Japanese cars are chosen though, is due to how cheap they are to build up.

 

[STJ88]

The only reason Japanese cars are chosen though, is due to how cheap they are to build up.

There is nothing cheap on the amuse supra or mine's R34 (the base cars are expensive). Or all the GC8 impreza's being used in the UK. I could tell you the real reason why GC8's are used, they have unlimited tuning potential. There are EJ20 from 300bhp to 800bhp on the track, and its the lightest 4wd vehicle around.

Because i don't think tuning company's care how much the base car cost. Privateers maybe.

 

[McLaren]

You misunderstood the use of the word cheap, which isn't a shock.

They're cheap to build up as in they don't take a boat load of money to modify to become a decent track car. Trying to do that to most other cars requires a lot of money to really become competitive.

 

[Ardius]

I coud call you a retard now, for not knowing that all new elise's us 1ZZ-FE and 2ZZ-GE's. That what you showd is a toyota 2ZZ-GE. [/IMG]

I dont see a new elise in that picture, I see the older generation, which had a Rover engine. Note: British Engine.

 

[STJ88]

I dont see a new elise in that picture, I see the older generation, which had a Rover engine

But why do you show a picture of the engine bay of the new elise.

 

[STJ88]

They're cheap to build up as in they don't take a boat load of money to modify to become a decent track car. Trying to do that to most other cars requires a lot of money to really become competitive.

That is so, you can tune gt-r's to about 500bhp for not to much money. But if you wan't to do it good like HKS, mine's and other company's it gonna cost you.

 

[Joey D]

Don't double post, use the edit button.

But ya, how about losing cars out of Gran Turismo? I honestly could care less about who makes better time trial vehicles, since you can turn any vehicle into one. Guys on North American Motoring talk about their time trial Cooper S's all the time. Honestly I would rather have PD take out the tuner cars and give us the ability to do racing mods on all the other cars so we can build our own time trial vehicles out of what we see fit. Forza does it and it's awesome to take a stock car and turn it into a weekend warrior race car.

 

[McLaren]

That is so, you can tune gt-r's to about 500bhp for not to much money. But if you wan't to do it good like HKS, mine's and other company's it gonna cost you.

I know. I kind of just said that. However, I doubt HKS or Amuse spend as much money to modify a GT-R as it does for Edo Comp. to modify a 911 GT2 which is really my point.

 

[Ardius]

Don't double post, use the edit button.

But ya, how about losing cars out of Gran Turismo? I honestly could care less about who makes better time trial vehicles, since you can turn any vehicle into one. Guys on North American Motoring talk about their time trial Cooper S's all the time. Honestly I would rather have PD take out the tuner cars and give us the ability to do racing mods on all the other cars so we can build our own time trial vehicles out of what we see fit. Forza does it and it's awesome to take a stock car and turn it into a weekend warrior race car.

I agree fully, scrap all of the race cars, or at the least the multiples and let us make the liveries and race variants!
I would most like to see variants scrapped out of the game, except for maybe the latest models or manufacturers that dont have many models in the first place (like Pagani). But the rest should be scrapped, who honestly uses all of them? I bet its pretty likely that one of the versions of Skyline in GT4 hasnt been used yet.

 

[Joey D]

I agree fully, scrap all of the race cars, or at the least the multiples and let us make the liveries and race variants!
I would most like to see variants scrapped out of the game, except for maybe the latest models or manufacturers that dont have many models in the first place (like Pagani). But the rest should be scrapped, who honestly uses all of them? I bet its pretty likely that one of the versions of Skyline in GT4 hasnt been used yet.

Some race cars are nice, but me, personally I never use them unless I have to for a race. I find it far more fun to take a car I could easily buy myself in real life and make it into a sweet track car (something I couldn't really do in real life). As I've said this is what I enjoy about Forza, but put it in GT and it will spectacular considering the better graphics and hopefully better physics engine.

I find nothing interesting about JGTC Skylines in every livery to be honest and I don't think they really add anything extra to the game when that development time could be used to do something else.

 

[homeforsummer]

I find it far more fun to take a car I could easily buy myself in real life and make it into a sweet track car (something I couldn't really do in real life).

Agree completely. I spend as much (maybe even more) time in GT driving slower cars and tuning them realistically (i.e. not just shoving the top option of every tune on it) because that's how I'd do it in real life, and the appeal is in choosing a car I could actually own, as well as the appeal of driving supercars I'll never even touch let alone drive or own.

 

[JohnBM01]

We probably may lose more interesting cars. However, part of the beauty of GT is that you find "interesting" cars even when you least expect them. For example, I wasn't expecting the Honda S800 Race Car and the Toyota Tacoma X-Runner to be such exceptional machines to use in GT4. True car lovers and tuners know that ANY car can be a great one with tuning.

It's usually the Forza crowd that can brag about having the finest cars in the world in one game. They are treated almost like spoiled brats because they can race some of the finest cars... and wreck them. I don't think too many people were pleased that GT5P had a Ferrari 512BB when (according to "fanboys") they could have gotten an Enzo. Fact is, GT has an eye for cars of various types for various people. I like taking casual drives on tracks in Arcade Mode with the cars I unlocked. I am not bothered by too many Skylines or Lancers. One way to look at this is that maybe some car fans like a certain version of a car. Much like how I liked the 2003 Impreza until Subaru f:censored:ed up the Impreza with that terrible-looking, aircraft-inspired front grill. Think of all the people who loved F40 over the F50 (and a lot of them are on GTPlanet). It's the reason why you get certain variations of a car in a game. Which even (sadly) means many variants of the car, even if they are just differently-styled and packaged Skylines. It also means that you can get a car of the same great name, even if not the top-of-the-line version. It's not like I'm going to want EVERY version of a car or even race every version of a car.

That's about my logic of seeing so many of these cars including some that are no different from some other model. I didn't hear many complain about multiple Porsche 911 GT race cars in Forza 2, so why GT? I even did an old GT4 thread called "50 of the Same Car! When is One Variation Too Many?" or something like that. Some just enjoy the drive and just driving almost any kind of car even if can't beat the McLaren F1 (or any of its variations) straight up. From a game marketing standpoint, we may even see some classic cars simply to show off what the PS3 is capable of as well as the level of detail PD puts into designing cars to be virtually driven. That's even if they include many more Can-Am race cars or race cars before World War 2.

Lose interesting cars... maybe? My answer is this: the "interesting" cars may be the cars we least expect when GT5 is released. Don't let a name excite you. Let the car's performance (and even looks) tell you it's interesting. It's all about diamonds in the rough.

 

[homeforsummer]

My answer is this: the "interesting" cars may be the cars we least expect when GT5 is released. Don't let a name excite you. Let the car's performance (and even looks) tell you it's interesting. It's all about diamonds in the rough.

I agree with all of your post, but I think in the comment above you're repeating what many of us are already saying, that the interesting cars are the ones we least expect, and the uninteresting ones are the cars that have forty variations or perhaps the ones that have appeared in every Gran Turismo since day one.

As far as interesting cars go, a few good examples for me would be the Mugen Pro.3 based on the Del Sol from GT2, the way the Citroen Saxo in GT2 could be turned into the full F2 rally car and not just a basic racing modify model (and the way all the standard Euro saloons became the BTCC models with Racing Modify), the Daihatsu Midget 63 in GT4, the Toyota Pod in GT Concept, the introduction of the Tickford Falcon in GT3 and subsequently Aussie Fords in GT4... I could suggest more but this is an example of the completely diverse selection that we're worried we'll lose. All those cars I mentioned are different from the norm, and very different from the normal selection we see in GT, the Skylines, the RX7s, the Supras and even the TVRs.

 

[MeWhiteNoise]

I for one can't believe the general lack of any of the older Ford range. You can't ignore they're produced some iconic cars, Sierras (for eg. RS500) & Escort (mkII Mexico, Cosworth) especially, they were world-rally winners.

 

[buickgnx88]

Heck they don't even have any old Mustangs, and those were very iconic in America!

 

[JohnBM01]

Even Enthusia had an old school '60s Mustang. I like almost all '60s Mustangs. Then again, that Shelby Mustang in GT4 didn't COMPLETELY make Mustang fans disappointed. I surely wasn't. In fact (I was the only one racing the Series 1 against five blue /w white striped Cobras), I was thrilled to win that old school Mustang from the Shelby lineup. I'd be happy to see some '60s 'stangs. Like the very first models and even the Mustang Mach 1.

 

[Sniffs]

"sierra" is copyrighted in the US by The General, which is why we ended up with a Merkur version. Escorts do NOT have a Sporty reputation in the US, and might not ever be included again (or they may just carry over the Escort Cos rally again).

I agree there are many ford and GM vehicles that are GT worthy that are not included, but all decisions are up to Polyphony Digital. there also might be licensing problems to deal with, as Ford and GM seem to have a problem with giving the "competition" any information. it HAS to be a US of A thing, as there seems to be no problem for the non US branches licensing out goodies.
remember how long it took to finagle even the likes of Ferrari into GT licensing? and how they settled for ultra-car maker RUF when Porsche had "other Commitments"?

 

[BlackedoutRX7LM]

Im still not bored with cars from GT4, so i think it'll e a while before that happens in GT5