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- HaylRayzor
Well it doesn't meet the PP requirements unless you wear out the engine, which is against the rules.
And yes it does have superior handling.
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- Thread starter HaylRayzor
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Well it doesn't meet the PP requirements unless you wear out the engine, which is against the rules.
And yes it does have superior handling.
- 1,096
- Egypt
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s2k2k3
My car littel understeer so in the big corner befor you go inside the bridge its fighting with me iam working on it i hope i can fix it and it will shave from my time at list 0:800 so i hope thanks any way sir .
- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
Oh I see. 
- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
Ronald, testing deadline isn't until 12th August, so you have time. 
- 1,494
- Portland / Or /
- Barefoot_Driver
Time is the one thing I am short on. So many cars, so little time. After I finish with the '86 Shootout and the Fireblade Shootout I might sign up. But I'm still trying to organize the WDSC and get it up and going again now that the GT Academy is over.
Basically I'm trying to not spread myself too thin. I'm going to tackle one project at a time.
1) FF Shootout : Done
2) '86 Shootout : Work in Progress
3) 'blade Shootout: WiP
4) WDSC: WiP
5) Classic Shootout : ???
Basically I'm trying to not spread myself too thin. I'm going to tackle one project at a time.
1) FF Shootout : Done
2) '86 Shootout : Work in Progress
3) 'blade Shootout: WiP
4) WDSC: WiP
5) Classic Shootout : ???
- 3,130
- HaylRayzor
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
From very preliminary testing I'm guessing that that best cars with top drivers will be able to go under 1:20...
Question on the rules, are the close ratio transmissions permitted or just the adjustable one with only final gear getting changed? Also for the adjustable transmission wouldn't it make more sense to match its top speed setting and gear ratios with the stock transmissions then change the final gear to keep it as close to stock as possible?
Question on the rules, are the close ratio transmissions permitted or just the adjustable one with only final gear getting changed? Also for the adjustable transmission wouldn't it make more sense to match its top speed setting and gear ratios with the stock transmissions then change the final gear to keep it as close to stock as possible?
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- HaylRayzor
I don't see myself going under 20 but I'm nowhere near a top driver.
Close ratio is allowed. Figured that was a given if the adjustable was allowed.
It might make more sense to match the individual gears to the stock tranny but most of the stock trannies are 4-speeds (even at least 1 3-speed) and matching that in a 5-speed would be a pita. I'm trying to make it as painless as possible for the tuners. I thought it over and decided to just let the 5-speeds in since there is no way to just change the rear gear, which is a painful omission.
I did think about requiring stock transmission but I didn't want this to be a "which car has the best stock tranny" competition.
I also thought about making the rule that you have to set the final gear so that you never shift into 5th gear but 1st gear isn't used anyway so the 5-speed is already functioning as a 4-speed.
So in the end I made it that you can adjust the final only.
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- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
@s2k2k3 think you'll be seeing a lot of close ratio transmissions then since their main drawback is lack of top speed which really isn't an issue on this track.
With stock transmission and an initial very rough tune the car I tested earlier today was running mid 1:24s. Reducing the oversteer and getting the rear end better planted will knock at least 1-2 seconds off that time and either a close ratio or adjustable transmission will knock a bit more off. I doubt the car I was testing is the best available one as it is a touch to light for the best power so...
Also other than the limit on the exhaust type used is there any other limits on engine tuning?
With stock transmission and an initial very rough tune the car I tested earlier today was running mid 1:24s. Reducing the oversteer and getting the rear end better planted will knock at least 1-2 seconds off that time and either a close ratio or adjustable transmission will knock a bit more off. I doubt the car I was testing is the best available one as it is a touch to light for the best power so...
Also other than the limit on the exhaust type used is there any other limits on engine tuning?
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- HaylRayzor
Also other than the limit on the exhaust type used is there any other limits on engine tuning?
I guess I could be more explicit about it but anything that isn't forbidden is allowed. All power tuning other than titanium exhaust is allowed.
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- IL, USA
- DigitalBaka
- DigitalBaka587
Got my Bavarian monster running in the 21s now, consistent low 22s. It may actually turn out decent as long as it stays under 385. Running it up from 0/0/0, got all the allowable PP reducers on and it is getting real close. 
If it ends up over I think I have a backup that will do fine.
If it ends up over I think I have a backup that will do fine.
- 3,130
- HaylRayzor
Got my Bavarian monster running in the 21s now, consistent low 22s. It may actually turn out decent as long as it stays under 385. Running it up from 0/0/0, got all the allowable PP reducers on and it is getting real close.
I just checked my fully broken in 2002 and it's 386PP with ballast and limiter.
Since I set the limit of 385 based on this car (in error, based on a car that was not fully broken in), I'm making a command decision. The limit is now 386PP.
This may turn into a "beat the bimmer" contest.
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- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Sorry but I already have a car that will smoke the BMW!I just checked my fully broken in 2002 and it's 386PP with ballast and limiter.
Since I set the limit of 385 based on this car (in error, based on a car that was not fully broken in), I'm making a command decision. The limit is now 386PP.
This may turn into a "beat the bimmer" contest.
Giving me another PP to play with is just making things worse for it.
Unfortunately your restriction on ballast means the car I would have liked to have used just doesn't have enough power to compete because of its weight.
Great fun to drive but almost 2 seconds off the pace of my fastest cars...
Was really disappointed that neither the E Type or 300SL could qualify for this.
- 3,130
- HaylRayzor
Sorry but I already have a car that will smoke the BMW!
Giving me another PP to play with is just making things worse for it.
Unfortunately your restriction on ballast means the car I would have liked to have used just doesn't have enough power to compete because of its weight.
Was really disappointed that neither the E Type or 300SL could qualify for this.
I did add the 800kg rule. Don't know if that will help. The lighter cars just don't have the speed. I have never found a way to run cars of different weights together competitively. The game just makes light cars slow for no reason.
Tha Jag and Merc are overpowered. If the E Type and 300SL were allowed it would eliminate all of the low power cars I wanted in.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
The break point for weight vs power is right around 900kg. Below 900kg the game really starts hurting you on PP. The car I would have liked to have used weighs 809kg stock so it can only add another 25kg. While not horribly off the pace of most that I've tested it gets smacked silly by my top cars.
Oh and in case anyone thought about it, the '54 Corvette isn't a contender. Specs look decent but for some reason its just slow.
ITCC_Andrew
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- Kitchener
Because of my German ancestry etc. I'm inclined to make sure: we are allowed to run any nationality of car? So long as it fits the restrictions? I've heard mentions of European and Japanese cars, but nothing yet of Australia or America (given that there's an American car in game which goes that low in PP.)
- 3,130
- HaylRayzor
Give it a try at 900kg (center ballast) and see if that makes a difference. If 900kg is the magic number I'll change the 800kg rule to a 900kg rule.
Doesn't matter what nationality or brand. Just "classic".
I have 4 cars so far that I have run in the 21s out of about 12 that I've tried. So far nothing looks to break into the 20s with my driving.
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- 1,096
- Egypt
- GTP_NEWDRIVER2
- OTS_NEWDRIVER2
I did some test on 4 cars fairlade 240 and toyota 2000 and honda s800 but the fastest is toyota 2000 but its has tail coming out always and its like a drift car 1:22:xxx . For the fairlady is same but cant take down 1:23:xxx . S800 its very good car i have setup for it before and i did some adjust on it to fit the shootout but its had less power it can't do more than 1:24:xxx so i choose the toyota 2000 but i don't like her pushing out her tail in every corrner spicial in time attack . I go back again to my garage to look for another car and i found my choosen one its doing faster lap than toyota 1:21:xxxx soon i will upload it .
ITCC_Andrew
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- Kitchener
Everyone's posting up their lap times and things. Has no one considered keeping their lid on Pandora's Box, until they're ready to unveil it just before letting everyone run off? I imagine that someone's going to sit back, look at everyone discussing their time, and think "If I don't tell them, which my car is, because it's a bit faster, they'll all be confused and won't know that I'm a bit faster."
Has anyone considered a rule against posting lap times, and build/tuning specifics?
Has anyone considered a rule against posting lap times, and build/tuning specifics?
- 1,096
- Egypt
- GTP_NEWDRIVER2
- OTS_NEWDRIVER2
Hi sir even we post our time its not the last time because the tester is the one who will give the true time about our cars . So we just talking with out any prove maybe your lap faster than me and your car better but i will not quike because you said that i will wait for tester to drive my car to give the fedback thanks .
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- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
@s2k2k3 Tried my original car with bringing its weight up to 900kg. The good news is the extra power does make it faster both running down over the jump and up the backside.👍👍 The bad news is that what was a fun quick reacting car now thinks it is a drift monster that wants to hang its tail out all the time. The car has rather interesting handling when stock. A little weight positioned correctly can be a huge help towards making it more manageable. A bunch of weight just dumped on it makes things much worse!
Tried my original car with bringing its weight up to 900kg. The good news is the extra power does make it faster both running down over the jump and up the backside.👍👍 The bad news is that what was a fun quick reacting car now thinks it is a drift monster that wants to hang its tail out all the time. The car has rather interesting handling when stock. A little weight positioned correctly can be a huge help towards making it more manageable. A bunch of weight just dumped on it makes things much worse!
ITCC_Andrew
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- Kitchener
Sorry, I don't mean to offend. I'm saying, though, that you're giving the other tuners an idea of your lap times. In many other tuning series I've been in, there was a rule against telling other people your lap times.
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- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Most of the time around these Shootouts we tuners talk about our lap times. Helps us to benchmark our cars and see if they have a chance to be competitive or if we need to look for a different car. No tuner has to share his lap times if he doesn't want to and car choice need not be revealed until the tune is actually posted. But the thread would get pretty boring if no one was talking about the cars they may or may not be using and times they might be getting.
ITCC_Andrew
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- Kitchener
Most of the time around these Shootouts we tuners talk about our lap times. Helps us to benchmark our cars and see if they have a chance to be competitive or if we need to look for a different car. No tuner has to share his lap times if he doesn't want to and car choice need not be revealed until the tune is actually posted. But the thread would get pretty boring if no one was talking about the cars they may or may not be using and times they might be getting.
Hmmm, interesting that you guys want to benchmark off of each other. I'll start on my car, and likely get a nice tune working.
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- Egypt
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Ronald6
Correct :-) you are right its about improving to come out with at list two car have agood tune on it can drive and suite most of the racers in her pp .
ITCC_Andrew
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- Ziz528
MrMelancholy15
Doesn't mean you can't learn things, I've been tuning for a while too, and still picking up new theories about various parts now.
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