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[ITCC_Andrew]

Not to mention I am currently considering another series that would fit right into Tier 4

Not that you would PM Nizmo, TDZdave and me, about it. We love hearing these ideas!

 

[polarbear345]

Sorry I've been so quiet, haven't really felt like contributing anything to be honest

But here's my thoughts on the tier thing:

I think it will either work perfect, or it will suck... terribly.

A lot of people won't want to work their way up through karts and stuff to get to Super GT or one of the other major series' that you guys are proposing. So heres a few different plans I think could possibly work...

1. You have different tiers of each series, example: Super GT500 1 would have people begining out.. and it would work up to tier 4 or 5 or whatever..

2. You could have the series that work their way up.... So pretty much what's going on now (I think...)

Now i'm going to get into a ramble... hopefully you can understand

You could put series into 6 groups (Open wheel, GT, Stock Cars, Rally, Drifting, Touring Cars) Then have tiers for the group of racing they would want to do... So Openwheel 1-4 and have series the the tiers working the way up to like F1/ IndyCar or whatever we come up with... 4 tiers for each "Disiplin" (Sorry for the misspellings throughout) and have a couple of series per tier. There are two ways to decide what tier people get into..

1. They HAVE to start in the first tier..

2. You have specialized "Challenges" to get their ability/speed. Example: For Open Wheel, have a target lap time for each tier of Open Wheel... So if they can get a 1:45 at monza in a FGT, they'd start out in the tier that their laptime would allow. Each diciplin would have their own challenge related to the type of racing/ competition in that diciplin.

I think that the points leaderboard would just be a challenge of who does the most series.... just my thoughts..

I will probably think of more things and not edit this... so if one of my posts looks out of place... its a addition to this one...

And Nizmo.. what does one have to do to get a board position...?

 

[cnd01]

I am wondering the same thing about the board. I will PM you guys some ideas I have for a high racing skills tier 4 event. I will mention it on SKYPE as well.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

New Tier 1 series:


W.M.A. Karts

 

[cnd01]

Anyone else want the PM of my series idea? I think I sent it to everyone in this thread?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Polar, PM Nizmo, for a spot on the board. So far as I'm concerned, you're on, already, but the OP's not up-to-date with your name there yet.

 

[cnd01]

Polar, PM Nizmo, for a spot on the board. So far as I'm concerned, you're on, already, but the OP's not up-to-date with your name there yet.

I will do the same. This is assuming you guys don't hate me

 

[kk20]

I think that the points leaderboard would just be a challenge of who does the most series.... just my thoughts..

I understand your point which is why I think 80% of all race series should be tier 3 and 4. And the other 20% should be tier 1 and 2...therefore theres less opportunity join as many high reward champs...

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I understand your point which is why I think 80% of all race series should be tier 3 and 4. And the other 20% should be tier 1 and 2...therefore theres less opportunity join as many high reward champs...

Visit the third post for me, please.


However, I think we could work out an averaging system. I like division.


Therefore, calculations could be:

score divided by number of series, divided by Tier number.


Therefore, 5350 in six series, in tier 3, would be:


5350/6=891.666667

891.666667/3=297.22222223333


Therefore, it could be scored altogether, AND as an average points per series, and split (partially) between Tiers, by putting the highest Tier achieved.

One will show who's successful in their personal Tier, and the others will show who's successful overall.



I'll draw up a few quick tables for examples:


Overall:


Driver A-5350
Driver B-3050
Driver C-2980
Driver D-2975
Driver E-2973
Driver F-1966
Driver G-1964
Driver H-1260
Driver I-1000
Driver J-900
Driver K-895
Driver L-890
Driver M-888
etc.



Per Tier:

Tier 4:


Driver A- 297.22223 (competes in six series)


Tier 3:


Driver B- 254.16667 (competes in four series)-advances to Tier 4 with 3000
Driver C- 248.33333 (competes in four series)
Driver D- 247.91667 (competes in four series)
Driver E- 247.75 (competes in six series)-27 Overall points away from Tier 4


Tier 2:


Driver F-245.75 (competes in four series)
Driver G-245.5 (competes in four series)
Driver H-210 (competes in three series)


Tier 1:

Driver I- 500 (competes in two series)-advanced to Tier 2 with 1000 Overall points
Driver J- 450 (competes in two series)
Driver K- 447.5 (competes in two series)
Driver L- 445 (competes in two series)
Driver M- 444 (competes in two series)

Then, in the next races, anyone who advances to a new tier, may join the new Tier series, and continue to run with the old tier, unless otherwise impossible (Karting in Jr. and 125 at the same time=impossible, for example.)

 

[kk20]

Quick question. How on earth is the kart series tier 1?

 

[polarbear345]

Quick question. How on earth is the kart series tier 1?

I think he is going from tier 4-1, where as you and I were thinking it went from 1-4 (1 being the top).

Formula one is better than formula 2 and 3....

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Quick question. How on earth is the kart series tier 1?

Because the Kart series doesn't require tuning (tuning banned) and allows for short race lengths, and equal performance, whereas F1 is all about tuning setups etc.


So, it's a way to put all of the drivers in the exact same karts/cars, with the exact same tuning setups, to start, before letting them dive into tuning first. I think that it's a great idea!

 

[polarbear345]

Because the Kart series doesn't require tuning (tuning banned) and allows for short race lengths, and equal performance, whereas F1 is all about tuning setups etc.

So, it's a way to put all of the drivers in the exact same karts/cars, with the exact same tuning setups, to start, before letting them dive into tuning first. I think that it's a great idea!

He was thinking tier 1 was the highest.

 

[kk20]

I think he is going from tier 4-1, where as you and I were thinking it went from 1-4 (1 being the top).

Formula one is better than formula 2 and 3....

Oooooh right... my bad...

 

[polarbear345]

Oooooh right... my bad...

I'm confused too! Lol!

 

[cnd01]

It is the average points per series. It makes sense. It is deceiving though. What if you participate in one series and one series only. You devote ALL of your time working on that one series. You win all of the races which means that you would have the highest average. It works both ways. We could say that each series has it's own hall of fame. Say you get bonus points for competing in more series, but it couldn't be to big a bonus because you get in a "how many series can you join and compete in" contest.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

It is the average points per series. It makes sense. It is deceiving though. What if you participate in one series and one series only. You devote ALL of your time working on that one series. You win all of the races which means that you would have the highest average. It works both ways. We could say that each series has it's own hall of fame. Say you get bonus points for competing in more series, but it couldn't be to big a bonus because you get in a "how many series can you join and compete in" contest.

Yeah. There will be bugs to work out, but I laid down my ideas. I'm just curious if anyone else has ideas.

 

[NizmoDr3]

The original idea with the Tier system was to get new drivers introduced into the system ...
Having to progress from one Tier to another is going to create havoc ... If people don't do too well in a specific series or they are consistently in the mid to back field placings, they will not have any motivation to progress to the upper Tiers ...

Rally mentioned in an earlier post about a online career type of thing ... that is not what this is to accomplish ...

Maybe a better idea for this Tier fiasco would be Tiers based on experience ... for example;

0-1 Seasons = Tier 1
1-2 Seasons = Tier 1/2
2-3 Seasons = Tier 1/2/3
So on and so forth ...

I don't want to discourage guys from participating due to "Required Points Level" to enter a top tier ...

The Leaderboard rankings was just to be a guide as to where even sits in comparison to each other ... If one person decides that they want to devote all their time to one series, then that is their prerogative ... Nobody's forcing anyone to compete in more series than they can handle just to prove they are a good driver ...

Mel mentioned earlier about an average points system ... I haven't read through it properly, but I would propose that the total points accumulated will be divided by the amount of series to determine Leaderboard ranking ...

Using my example earlier;

GTP Rally Championship => 87
ITCC => 55
Rolex => 20

Total points for that weekend ... 162 ... 162/3 series = 54 average points for that race weekend ...


EDIT: CND AND POLAR, MEL AND I WILL DISCUSS YOUR APPLICATIONS. I HAVE MORE OF AN IDEA OF HOW THE STEWARDS COUNCIL WILL WORK AND WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED ...

I am not trying to piss on anyones batteries here or spoil the fun ... I appreciate all the input you guys have given ...I really do ... but my vision for this organization is to be a professional one which everyone can relate to and it will continuesly be mention throughout GTP ... I don't want people to lambaste us because we are trying to create a online career or because they don't want to have to go through hell to get to the series that they want to participate in ... I want to create a organization where everyone will be treated equal, irrespective of your skill level, and most importantly know that when you join a W.M.A sanctioned event, you know that you are in one of the best series on GTP ...

 

[rallymorten]

I think that the points leaderboard would just be a challenge of who does the most series.... just my thoughts..

I have a feel this is true.. An interesting idea would be to take the total points gained since last (preferably weekly) update and divide it with races (not events, races, e.g. ITCC has 3 Races in a week) and then do so on a weekly basis. Does that sound completely ?

 

[NizmoDr3]

I have a feel this is true.. An interesting idea would be to take the total points gained since last (preferably weekly) update and divide it with races (not events, races, e.g. ITCC has 3 Races in a week) and then do so on a weekly basis. Does that sound completely ?

Well take into consideration that ITCC offers 33 points per race, but 100 per race weekend (1 point for pole) ... I would rather have my 100 points divided by one series than have my 100 points divided by three races ... my 2 cents ...

 

[rallymorten]

Well take into consideration that ITCC offers 33 points per race, but 100 per race weekend (1 point for pole) ... I would rather have my 100 points divided by one series than have my 100 points divided by three races ... my 2 cents ...

Ehh.. You're the boss, in the end you decide

 

[NizmoDr3]

Lol ... I'm not shooting your idea down hey ... just giving one out of 12 opinions ...

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Lol ... I'm not shooting your idea down hey ... just giving one out of 12 opinions ...

There are twelve of us.

 

[rallymorten]

Lol ... I'm not shooting your idea down hey ... just giving one out of 12 opinions ...

I know I guess you catched the drift anyway

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I know I guess you catched the drift anyway

Hmmm, I find it intriguing, how incredibly complex and irritating English is. Why DO we say "caught," when every non-English speaker says "catched" and doesn't know any better...?

 

[NizmoDr3]

There are twelve of us.

Amazingly enough we do hey ...

I know I guess you catched the drift anyway

... I'm not the drifting type ... .... ideas are always welcome ... I would like to ask in your assistance in developing the duties and responsibilities for the Stewards Council ... you have offered yourself for the position so, please ...

On another note ... the OP has been updated ... welcome to our new members once again ... 👍

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

... I'm not the drifting type

You're sure, then, that you didn't just read the ITCC thread, where I just called you out on not being a drifter, at the same time!?

On another note ... the OP has been updated ... welcome to our new members once again ... 👍

In the OP, I see 13 (?) names. Is that correct? WOAH!

 

[NizmoDr3]

Yup ... I forgot about cnd

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Yup ... I forgot about cnd

I mentioned twelve yesterday, just scrolling through the Google Docs results. That's what I meant.

 

[rallymorten]

Hmmm, I find it intriguing, how incredibly complex and irritating English is. Why DO we say "caught," when every non-English speaker says "catched" and doesn't know any better...?

My mistake hope you can forgive me