World Rally Championship Stage I W/Results

[Jump_Ace]

hehe time for me to post my first splits. So far, I only have the Audi on the forward:

Open 4wd:

T1: 17.842
T2: 37.460

Now if this thing didn't get so touchy near the end...



I'm running a 50/50 split and the difference between 25/75 and 50/50 is amazing. If the cars that hard to control with just 25/75... I feel sorry for the guys running FR cars in the 2 wheel.

*hugs FTO* I'll never trade you for a FR car in rallys ever again.

LOL

LB Updated

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[Maxzillian]

Jeez, look at that time split between the historic rally group! Let zee battle begin!!! 👍

Dang, now I'm just itching to get the DeLorean out and see what Doc Brown's old time machine can do on the ice.

 

[Casio]

I'm running a 50/50 split and the difference between 25/75 and 50/50 is amazing. If the cars that hard to control with just 25/75... I feel sorry for the guys running FR cars in the 2 wheel.

*hugs FTO* I'll never trade you for a FR car in rallys ever again.

Try 0/100 split. With the engine hanging over the rear wheels. With no LSD.

Does anyone have any ideas about suspension/gearing settings? I'm completly boogled by it. Everything I do with the suspension just seems to really do nothing on this flat track.

But for gearing, I'm using Auto 20, and only using the first 3 gears, seems to be working well.

 

[Luxy]

Had time to get a clean lap in each direction

Historic (Ford RS200 Rally Car '85)
Forward:
18.799 (have seen 18.2)
35.908

Reverse:
12.788
30.695 (have seen 30.1)

@Kolyana, I might have to dust on a Focus or Escort Rally car to compete against team Peugot! Watch out

I'm glad everyone's enjoying the leaderboard ... hopefully we can get the rest of the kinks worked out soon

 

[Jump_Ace]

LB Updated. Got some new splits for my Historic, but I"m a ways off from Luxy that stud has us beat by a lot Max!

Historic:
T1 - 0'18.510 T2 - 0'35.792
T1 - 0'12.175 T2 - 0'30.414

2WD: And please take note that my car is an FF on Ice
T1 - 0'20.164 T2 - 0'39.836
T1 - 0'13.369 T2 - 0'32.695

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[Kolyana]

LUXY! Man, how great to see you here!!! Bring on the Ford's, once I figure out the track, cars and how to set them up I'll be a force to be reckoned with

 

[Casio]

A few set-up changes and BAM, 1.5 seconds off my forwards time and 1 second off my reverse. This is so much fun, and I'm starting to learn how to drive on snow.

Forward:
T1 - 19.286
T2 - 37.724

Reverse:
T1 - 12.910
T2 - 31.334

 

[bhawk776]

LUXY! Man, how great to see you here!!!

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Welcome aboard Luxy ! 👍 👍 Although I might have to do some rethinking after those splits you posted.

 

[Maxzillian]

*whistles* A tick over 1 second eh? I'll see what I can do.

Welcome abord Luxy, by the way!

 

[Jump_Ace]

LB Updated for the night, will get back at it tomorrow as soon as I get home from work. Maybe even slip some time in to update while on a break at work or something....MU HA HA!!! Glad to hear your not only kicking tail but enjoying it Casio!

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[Kolyana]

A few set-up changes and BAM, 1.5 seconds off my forwards time and 1 second off my reverse. This is so much fun, and I'm starting to learn how to drive on snow.

Forward:
T1 - 19.286
T2 - 37.724

Reverse:
T1 - 12.910
T2 - 31.334

Setup changes, you say? Like ... what? I have *NO* idea what to change on these damned cars. Heck *cough* I think I may be running TCS and ASM now I think about it ... I haven't changed ANYTHING in the settings

 

[Redline Fox]

Some basics Koylana, I have been trying to soften up the suspension while keeping the car a little higher. Though I think some may be trying to lower the car's center of gravity.

The idea is that on such a slow loose surface, the car's weight transfer needs to be able to make up for the lack of grip.

So like a 'soft' car will bite the ice better. At least that is my theory. *shruggs*

 

[Maxzillian]

Yup, I agree with Red on the tuning. I've found that the softer you go the better the car generally grips on ice. The real trick though is trying to keep the car stiff enough that it still responds well. One tip I'll give is that you need to give the weights a try. I ended up adding some weight to my car and shifting it to the front end and got some great results with that. The front end acted like it had much more bite by just adding 50 units of weight to the car.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Some basics Koylana, I have been trying to soften up the suspension while keeping the car a little higher. Though I think some may be trying to lower the car's center of gravity.

The idea is that on such a slow loose surface, the car's weight transfer needs to be able to make up for the lack of grip.

So like a 'soft' car will bite the ice better. At least that is my theory. *shruggs*

*"DING DING DING!!! What Do We Have For Him Johnny!?!?!?!"* Thats the idea here on ice IMO on a tricky little course like this I find it far easier to get clean and faster laps by concentrating on my car position while drifting rather than trying to get it to grip. So try setting you car stabilizers to 5/4, and soften your spring rates to 6/5 then try taking off all aids and minimizing or uninstalling your LSD. Ride ehight have it almost all the way down and if you still are having trouble trying to initialize the drive lower the front height and/or decrease the rear downforce. From there if your car is tail happy throw some of the weight in the car forward like to 15 or 20; adjust freely. From there I am still playing with the tranny in these things but as I went to sleep last night I thought about trying this: Setting the auto gear ratio pretty wide to like 20 and then setting the individual gears so that on the graph you see each green line move up vertically so there is less 'bogging' when shifting gears. I'm terrible at explaining things when not in person, just horrible sorry. I'll try to explain it better when I get home from work. But these are my personal results I've been trying and using so someone else may be like WTF are u smoking man these SUCK! LOL.

Jerome

 

[Maxzillian]

Another little update for the historic rally.

Forward:
T1: 18.764
T2: 36.252

Personally for the gearing I've been running rather short gears. Most corners are ran in second gear and it tops out early in most straights, first is used for the hairpin before the sweeper and third and fourth get me through the straights. I still need do step 1st and second up a bit to keep from bouncing off the rev limiter so much, but at least for myself this has been working much much better than trying to get the car to lug through a gear that's too tall for the power range.

Another tip I have is to TOE OUT. Enough said.

 

[darkwind]

I'm using a soft suspension with low center of gravity(low ride height) on the audi and a stiff suspension with a low center of gravity(high ride height) on the FTO.

With the 4wd, you want to drift easily, it's not only a blast to drive this way, but it's a lot faster compared to if you try and drive the car like your on tarmac. For those of us inexperienced in drifting, you'll want the front tires to respond quickly to pull you out of the drift(hence my 50/50).

 

[Redline Fox]

Ok, just a quick question, considering my car choices....What TWO classess should I focus on? I really don't know if I can commit to a full season in ALL FOUR classess.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Ok, just a quick question, considering my car choices....What TWO classess should I focus on? I really don't know if I can commit to a full season in ALL FOUR classess.

WRC and Historic are my votes. But I'm gonna be doing all 4 just because I've only spent a few hours on the rally races in GT4, I spent some for the sim mode, and some for the BC5 and then testing here, thats it. So I need the practice.

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[Maxzillian]

Welp, I finally broke out the De Lorean and I have to say that this car rocks! A bit of a handful on the ice, but when you throttle it just right she'll hook up and haul through the corners.

Unlimited 2wd:
Forward:
T1: 18.968
T2: 36.954
Reverse:
T1: 12.641
T2: 30.698

After some quick math I've figured out that concerning the split times only, that's a +0.58 second difference compared to my historic run. I think I have a lot of ground to make up with the Starion on reverse.

 

[Jetboy.]

I can't get a bloody VCD for my Dualnote!!! This means AWD isn't really AWD until the car is nearly 70* sideways. I have to really feather the throttle here... Oh, and by the way, jump, thanks for supmitting a little setup for those of us who are a touch inadept to ice racing! I'll see if I can really keep up with you now....

 

[Casio]

Yep, since the track is flat I've lowered the ride hieght all the way down. I also put the stabilizers at 3/3. Gears are at 21, so I only use 3rd gear on the S/F Straight. It's probably completely different in a 4WD car, but it seems to work well on my car which can't slide alot.

I think you can put TCS and ASM on, but it doesn't do anything? I could be wrong though.

Unlimited 2wd:
Forward:
T1: 18.968
T2: 36.954
Reverse:
T1: 12.641
T2: 30.698

!!!!!!!

I better get a move on, I didn't know Doc Brown's machine was made for ice racing! By the way, are you getting to 88 MPH on this track?

 

[Jump_Ace]

I can't get a bloody VCD for my Dualnote!!! This means AWD isn't really AWD until the car is nearly 70* sideways. I have to really feather the throttle here... Oh, and by the way, jump, thanks for supmitting a little setup for those of us who are a touch inadept to ice racing! I'll see if I can really keep up with you now....

If u need more details just ask! Icemanshooter knows his stuff too, although he's been hiding out...lol. He's just waiting to better my splits, I can feel it.

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[Iceman]

Not exactly man, just got home from bball practice and I am spent
But I'll lend any info that I can, although I can safely say I don't know a thing about setting up a car for dirt/ice. Tarmac is a different story

 

[Kolyana]

Guys, thanks for the advice 👍 I've printed it all off and - after I've taken the damned AIDs off - I'm going going to try and save a second or so on my lap times. I freaking hate being the slowest one in these comps!

 

[Maxzillian]

Casio: If I remember right, it's topping out at just a hair above 90. Now if I can just get it to jump back in time 3-4 seconds after crossing the start line, I could really pull off some killer times!


Concerning just about everything for the suspension I've tuned it all to be as soft as possible. On the ice any sudden jerk of the car can send it off the line of the track and put you in trouble in a hurry. I've found that I can at least offset how aggresive I drive sometimes by setting everything to be soft so that the car absorbs a lot of the sudden movements rather than responding right away. It sounds odd and really doesn't work worth a darn on the asphalt, but at least on the ice it has helped me out a great deal.

One very important thing for this track I think is the camber. Personally I'm not running any higher than 1 degree on the front end and 0 degrees on the rear. It sounds odd I know, but in my personal opinion there just isn't enough g-forces to get the body to roll enough to make any high camber amounts worthwhile. Concerning the rear though, the cars are set to 0 to maximize forward traction as much as possible. In my opinion, with as much as you want the rear end hanging out, what's the need for getting the rear tires to bite sideways the best they can?

I also run the rear ride height about 20mm higher than the fronts on both cars. I have no idea if this is right, but in theory it should place more weight on the front outside tire while entering a corner under brakes and I think there's an improvement, but I really can't tell for sure.

I'm thinking that the next step for me is the LSDs. For now I have the LSDs set to the default. I think on both cars I'll probly end up tightening the rear while loosening up the front on the starion and then I'll see how that does.

 

[bleurabbit7]

Finally had a sit down on this. This is harder than I thought it'd be, staying off the walls. The times are horrible.

WRC Focus Rallye Car
forward
T1: 0:18.858
T2: 0:36.293

reverse
T1: 0:12.604
T2: 0:30.565

I had a Historic time but I forgot to save the fastest lap. TWICE. So I gave up before I got really p**sed. Here were those times if you were wondering.


Historic RS200 Rallye Car
T1: 0:18.720
T2: 0:36.537

 

[Jump_Ace]

Finally had a sit down on this. This is harder than I thought it'd be, staying off the walls. The times are horrible.

WRC forward
T1: 0:18.858
T2: 0:36.293

WRC reverse
T1: 0:12.604
T2: 0:30.565

I had a Historic time but I forgot to save the fastest lap. TWICE. So I gave up before I got really p**sed. Here were those times if you were wondering.

T1: 0:18.720
T2: 0:36.537

What car were those splits done in?
LB Updated.

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[bleurabbit7]

Oops, sorry. I edited that info in there.

 

[Jump_Ace]

I would like to make a little announcement concerning this stage and others where the end of the 'road' on the sides is banked. Because the car's naturally rise up as soon as you get close to them, I am going to allow a little grey area. If your car rises up with the natural slope, (like here at Ice Arena and you'll see at Chamonix on a BIG corner) and you may not be sure if its a hit from your driving line or from your car rising as you drive, then count it AS CLEAN/LEGAL. If you have any questions about this, feel free to drop me a line. I have run thru my replays and have found this to be a little problem here and there. I decided to take a day to consider it and this is my decision, hopefully it will allow more clean laps and enough time to re-do some if you disregarded a 'close' lap in the past. But remember, it your car hits the curve too hard and your car 'reacts' to it then its DIRTY/ILLEGAL.

New 4WD Splits, I can almost take my WRC car off the top, but I left some hidden time on the track at the end, but the splits are still close.

T1 - 0'18.269 T2 - 0'35.492
T1 - 0'12.014 T2 - 0'29.554

Jerome

 

[Redline Fox]

Now you tell me heh.

I actually threw out a lap because of that same issue. Fortunantly I managed to get some much faster sure clean laps.

Tend to aggree as well, it can be very difficult to tell if the car nudges the wall or not sometimes.