World Super GT Championship Season 3 Discussion

[toyotsupra]

Done 👍

EDIT: About possible DLC cars... here's a quote from Kaz' Q&A with Honda (Link Here).

"We’re making Honda HSV now but may not be in time for GT5." -KY

This was June of 2010. Before the release of GT5. Fingers crossed on this one. I'm sure people will have second thoughts about switching to GT300 once this car is confirmed

Here's to hoping for more GT300 cars!! F430, Gallardo, Mooncraft Shiden, Vemac RD320R, Aston Martin Vantage, Mosler MT900, Corolla, and Subaru Legacy!

Yeah if they included the 430 in the DLC pack I'll be going for that car looks wicked.

 

[Joshua1994]

Not sure if this has been covered yet, but I remember a mention about the Lomad Diablo being a possibility for next season for the GT300's. Just a heads up, it's a GT500 machine, starting off stock with around 600bhp. Heck even the information about the car says up until 2000, they had to restrict the limiter right down.

 

[NEPALII]

I would certainly like to have the Nomad on the championship, dont know if it will match the other cars in performance. I think its a bit too fast, even for GT500.

 

[Denilson]

Diablo will most likely not be a part of the GT500, or GT300 grid in WSGTC 3.

 

[Masi_23]

@ Lichi_GTPlay - do you have any other fast driver friends?

@ Denilson - I expect HSV-10 to come as DLC I hope we get GT300 cars as well. Any of the following!: F430, Gallardo, Mooncraft Shiden, Vemac RD320R, Aston Martin Vantage, Mosler MT900, Corolla, Subaru Legacy

p.s. I'm not much of a tuner but how much of an advantage can the Diablo have if its de-tuned against the other GT300 cars? I tried to homologized and i came up with de-tuned specs; i was running laps similar to the IS350 - it was almost at 60% power limit with no ballast and maxed aero.

 

[Litchi]

@ Lichi_GTPlay - do you have any other fast driver friends?

Sure . I have. Especially one. His name is Ansem29. He is the fastest driver I've ever seen with a pad. He is also very tough and super clean. He is a GTPlay driver, He run on the GTfusion and he is at the top of overall ranking (180 participants, 18 teams, 15 countries...)

 

[Biffy]

I've already put dibs on the HSV..

 

[freshseth83]

I'm interested in this championship. If theres room I'd like a shot at proving myself!

 

[CSLACR]

VOTE FOR A POINTS SYSTEM

OPTION 1

Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (This is the exact difference of 1st through 5th from the single race system)​

OPTION 2

Single Race:
30 - 24 - 19 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (higher numbers)​

OPTION 3

Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (score more possible points compared to Single Race)​

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VOTE HERE! Copy, Paste, and Add your Name and Vote!

This will only serve as a poll. Stewards and Admins will have the final say.

Name/Vote/Brief Comment

Masi_23 - Option 1 (The lower numbers will be easier to tabulate/manage and should allow for a more competitive points championship)
Chorda - Option 3 (More points for Dual Heats)
Aderrrm - Option 1
CSLACR - Option 2 (Makes sense to me because single race tallies the same as both heats combined for first, higher for other positions.)​

 

[Masi_23]

Sure . I have. Especially one. His name is Ansem29. He is the fastest driver I've ever seen with a pad. He is also very tough and super clean. He is a GTPlay driver, He run on the GTfusion and he is at the top of overall ranking (180 participants, 18 teams, 15 countries...)

Invite him if you can, the more the merrier

 

[Denilson]

@ Lichi_GTPlay - do you have any other fast driver friends?

@ Denilson - I expect HSV-10 to come as DLC I hope we get GT300 cars as well. Any of the following!: F430, Gallardo, Mooncraft Shiden, Vemac RD320R, Aston Martin Vantage, Mosler MT900, Corolla, Subaru Legacy

p.s. I'm not much of a tuner but how much of an advantage can the Diablo have if its de-tuned against the other GT300 cars? I tried to homologized and i came up with de-tuned specs; i was running laps similar to the IS350 - it was almost at 60% power limit with no ballast and maxed aero.

Thing is that the Diablo got around 600 HP.
Problem with the Power Limiter in GT5 is that it does not scale down the power accordingly (The engine will keep its caracter, but with less output), it only lowers the max HP, and as a result the powerband is very flat.. The more you apply the PL, the flater the curve.
That's why I think that 85% is about as low as you can go. It does not affect the caracter of the engine too much. Going lower, and down at around 60% as mentioned for the diablo will most likely (I've not tryed it yet, but I will) end up in a flat powerband, with all the pros that come with that.
It will produce the same amount of HP as the other, no problem.. But the flat, and wide powerband supplies the driver with a lot more HP in the lower register compared to a "stock" GT300 car.

It will be wery strong when ballast is applied, be able to reach much higher speeds in draft (Cause you can set the gears really high, with out it affecting the acceleration), and it will ofc also be an advantage when mistakes such as missed gears, low revs occur..

And the share volume of the engine does not suit either in my book.. It's too big.

 

[Denilson]

VOTE FOR A POINTS SYSTEM

OPTION 1

Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (This is the exact difference of 1st through 5th from the single race system)​

OPTION 2

Single Race:
30 - 24 - 19 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (higher numbers)​

OPTION 3

Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (score more possible points compared to Single Race)​

________________________________________

VOTE HERE! Copy, Paste, and Add your Name and Vote!

This will only serve as a poll. Stewards and Admins will have the final say.

Name/Vote/Brief Comment

Masi_23 - Option 1 (The lower numbers will be easier to tabulate/manage and should allow for a more competitive points championship)
Chorda - Option 3 (More points for Dual Heats)
Aderrrm - Option 1
CSLACR - Option 2 (Makes sense to me because single race tallies the same as both heats combined for first, higher for other positions.)​

I share CSLACR's view.. But I took in to account that the winner from Heat 1 will start in the back of Heat 2. So the possibility to collect all them points in my suggestion is most likely just something that can happen in theory.

 

[CSLACR]

I share CSLACR's view.. But I took in to account that the winner from Heat 1 will start in the back of Heat 2. So the possibility to collect all them points in my suggestion is most likely just something that can happen in theory.

My thinking is that it's harder to win both heats then one long race, so with option 2, someone winning both heats gets 2 extra points over second place, compared to a single race. (because it was harder to do) But the total given out equals a single race, that way no single weekend will randomly hold more available points to possibly win.


Ballast - I see people suggest 200 limit and others 100, so I have to ask, has anyone considered a 150KG ballast limit?
100 doesn't sound like enough to me under the right circumstances, but 200 seems like to much, so I actually do think 150 would be a nice middle ground.

Lastly, I've been contemplating a switch to GT300. Apparently just like everyone else.
I don't want to flood GT300 and leave GT500 empty though, but I'd like somebody to race against either way.
Not sure where that leaves us...

 

[Masi_23]

I would recommend something like this - exactly similar to real life super gt. I also think the lower numbers would make the championship points standing a lot more competitive (closer) overall throughout the season.

Single Heat
20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

Dual Heats
20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (no bonus points)

 

[paulmac2k9]

can we have a confermed list of GT500 and GT300....

 

[Denilson]

can we have a confermed list of GT500 and GT300....

First, we need to await spec 2.0.
Then we need to perform some testing.
So my guess is that the cars that are eligable now, will still be for season 3 (Some with a few tweaks), and if we're lucky, we get some nice new features to add with the DLC/Spec 2.0 update.
We also got a few other cars in mind, but only to the GT300 class.
GT500's are good as it is.. A tweak or two to some cars here as well I guess..

 

[NEPALII]

Can we, for example, not "force", but more like incentivate some drivers to switch classes? To make the championship more competitive... For example on GT300, we see huge leads from Aderrrm and Moleman and the others are left in the dust. Maybe balancing things out.

 

[Masi_23]

Do you mean having them switch to GT500?

Anyway, if qualifier does happen next season, i was thinking of having the slowest drivers pick cars first. Only top 14 eligible (or 16 if we decide to expand) to pick. What do you guys think?

 

[NEPALII]

Do you mean having them switch to GT500?

Anyway, if qualifier does happen next season, i was thinking of having the slowest drivers pick cars first. Only top 14 eligible (or 16 if we decide to expand) to pick. What do you guys think?

Doesn't matter what class they are in, as long as it's balanced. Or that idea could be good, having the slower drivers pick their cars and force the faster ones to go with what's remaining. Maybe that could balance things out.

Right now, on GT500 is pretty close, but GT300 is unbalanced(not the cars' specs, the drivers).

 

[Masi_23]

I think the tuning has something to do with it, too (other than pure skill). I don't read up much and just go with manual testing - trial and error. I still remember scratching my head in Season 1 when i ran a second faster on average with a stock tune (Lexus IS350). lol.

GT300 needs more work in terms of homologizing. IS350 is about a second off pace and the Imprezas are just a tad faster than the rest of the field.

 

[paulmac2k9]

you say that nep but ive come on leaps and bounds to give them a hard time but im deffo staying in GT300 regardless of who moves i like GT300 so nothing will sway me

 

[Masi_23]

Been thinkin' about the schedule. Hmmm...


Available Tracks:

Spa
Fuji
Suzuka
Tsukuba
Nurburgring GP/F
Circuit de la Sarthe
Monaco
Monza
Daytona
Indy Road
Nurburgring 24 Hours​

10 Races:

4 Mixed Class - Single Heat
4 Same Class - Dual Heats
2 Same Class - Single Hear Enduros​

 

[Andil]

I'm not sure we should run Monaco again, it's a great and inspiring track, sure, but big GT cars (GT500 especially, GT300 is ok) are a bit too large to race there imho.

Everything else is fine imo, especially if we run 'low' slipstream then Monza for example will become a very good race.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

I'm not sure we should run Monaco again, it's a great and inspiring track, sure, but big GT cars (GT500 especially, GT300 is ok) are a bit too large to race there imho.

Everything else is fine imo, especially if we run 'low' slipstream then Monza for example will become a very good race.

Whats that?? New thing from update?? Sounds tasty...

 

[Masi_23]

We'll look into it Andy.

And yes Kam, you can now choose from Weak to Strong slipstream... although it's still a bit strong, but certainly a step towards realism.

 

[CSLACR]

I'm curious why Nurburgring GP/D isn't an option?

GP/F has a large chunk of it on the 24hr version already, so it seems kinda like running the same track twice in the season instead of taking the obvious different version.

 

[Adam41]

I'm not sure we should run Monaco again, it's a great and inspiring track, sure, but big GT cars (GT500 especially, GT300 is ok) are a bit too large to race there imho.

I think we should keep it, and putting it as a Dual heat may be a good idea so that drivers who perhaps couldn't overtake in the first heat have the chance to pull away in the second heat. Having slipstream set to 'strong' just for Monaco could be a possibility aswell... as long as everyone takes their time this time round.

I'm curious why Nurburgring GP/D isn't an option?

GP/F has a large chunk of it on the 24hr version already, so it seems kinda like running the same track twice in the season instead of taking the obvious different version.

👍 I personally think GP/D has more flow to it.

 

[Andil]

I love the full GP/F circuit, GP/D feels like it's cutting off the best bits of the circuit! The downhill left-right, the downhill hairpin and the uphill Schumacher S are all great corners and very technical to get right. Both are good though, but would prefer to run GP/F over GP/D if it was one or the other.

 

[Masi_23]

Agree, love that section, specially the Schumacher S.

 

[CSLACR]

I think we should keep it, and putting it as a Dual heat may be a good idea so that drivers who perhaps couldn't overtake in the first heat have the chance to pull away in the second heat. Having slipstream set to 'strong' just for Monaco could be a possibility aswell... as long as everyone takes their time this time round.



👍 I personally think GP/D has more flow to it.

Couldn't agree more.

I love the full GP/F circuit, GP/D feels like it's cutting off the best bits of the circuit! The downhill left-right, the downhill hairpin and the uphill Schumacher S are all great corners and very technical to get right. Both are good though, but would prefer to run GP/F over GP/D if it was one or the other.

Agree, love that section, specially the Schumacher S.

But again, most of the GP/F is on the 24hr layout.

Of course, we could do both GP/D and GP/F, while eliminating the 24hr track, though the original Nurburgring is the best piece of track on the planet imo, so it would be a shame to cut that out for any reason.

All three is getting a bit crazy though, but I don't see the need in any case to run the 24hr and GP/F, maybe that's just my distaste for GP/F talking though.
I can't stand the weird "bouncy" sections.