World Super GT Championship Season 3 Discussion
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Adam - It's the same system as real life Super GT. We'll stay loyal as best we can(unless of-course if we need to add other cars - if you know what i mean
). There's also another bonus systems about finishing in the lead lap, 1, 2+, etc... But that'll take too much to track, so i think we're be good with just the two (Qualy and FL).
Hmm yes.
It's a shame you don't stay loyal with the amount of mixed races we are doing. 
My only concern with the bonus points is that both pole position and fastest lap score the same amount of points as finishing 8th. And if a fast driver got pole position and the fastest lap, he nearly equals 5th position's points just in bonus points. 👎
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I think its great. Gives more motivation/incentives to other drivers to improve themselves. This would go inline with a good ballast system... which brings me to my next subject.
Ballast (to further my point and for the new people coming over here): Like you've said 'If you struggle so much with 100kg+ then the system would have done its job." Meaning it took you out of contention. We should really not limit it to 100kg. Yes, in real life Supe GT they limit it to 70-100kg (depending on the car), but thats with pro drivers - very equal competition.
If you took out dropped races as a rule and with all the fast drivers making the races every week, we'll see a championship get locked up with still a few races left. Again if you look closely, Remy_k dominanated GT500 by winning 3 of the first 4 races (he was penalized at la Sarthe post race - but he did dominate and won that race). It took him almost half the season before the ballast really caught up with him - which makes the championship more predictable. In real life, the ballast takes effect immediately. You never know who'll win from race to race. 2010 saw no one win more than a single race in GT500.
My main point is, the skill gap in WSGTC is not as small compared to real life.
If we get all the D1 Gold drivers in the registry, then yes, the current system would do wonders.
The more predictable the championship becomes, the less drivers will care to race (or put in maximum effort) every week.
Ballast Unlimited = More competitive championship throughout the whole grid.
I think the only reason guys don't like the added ballast (Mole, Chorda) is because of their natural competitiveness. They just cant imagine being in the middle of the pack for weeks at a time This is meant as a compliment, btw.
We need more people to comment! What's your say? Yes you!
Would really be nice to hear Remy's stand on this.
p.s. Ballast Unlimited sounds like a good name for a band.
Ballast (to further my point and for the new people coming over here): Like you've said 'If you struggle so much with 100kg+ then the system would have done its job." Meaning it took you out of contention. We should really not limit it to 100kg. Yes, in real life Supe GT they limit it to 70-100kg (depending on the car), but thats with pro drivers - very equal competition.
If you took out dropped races as a rule and with all the fast drivers making the races every week, we'll see a championship get locked up with still a few races left. Again if you look closely, Remy_k dominanated GT500 by winning 3 of the first 4 races (he was penalized at la Sarthe post race - but he did dominate and won that race). It took him almost half the season before the ballast really caught up with him - which makes the championship more predictable. In real life, the ballast takes effect immediately. You never know who'll win from race to race. 2010 saw no one win more than a single race in GT500.
My main point is, the skill gap in WSGTC is not as small compared to real life.
If we get all the D1 Gold drivers in the registry, then yes, the current system would do wonders.
The more predictable the championship becomes, the less drivers will care to race (or put in maximum effort) every week.
Ballast Unlimited = More competitive championship throughout the whole grid.
I think the only reason guys don't like the added ballast (Mole, Chorda) is because of their natural competitiveness. They just cant imagine being in the middle of the pack for weeks at a time
This is meant as a compliment, btw.We need more people to comment! What's your say? Yes you!
Would really be nice to hear Remy's stand on this.
p.s. Ballast Unlimited sounds like a good name for a band.
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I agree Masi, ballast unlimited
If people think they will struggle with 100kg + then they likely won't get to that point or if they do they won't stay there for long and the system will have worked.
The bottom line is that each of the faster drivers will reach their natural ballast 'limit' before becoming uncompetitive and then they should end up hovering in and around this value for the remainder of the season.
If people think they will struggle with 100kg + then they likely won't get to that point or if they do they won't stay there for long and the system will have worked.
The bottom line is that each of the faster drivers will reach their natural ballast 'limit' before becoming uncompetitive and then they should end up hovering in and around this value for the remainder of the season.
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I know Den 👍
What I was trying to say is that drivers will only end up carrying as much ballast as they can handle. Everyone's competitive limit will be different so by setting a limit too low you risk somebody still being dominant.
Having said that, despite me saying it should be unlimited earlier I think 200kg is enough. A maximum of 2 secs per lap penalty (roughly) is enough IMO for both classes to have very competitive championships. As stated in earlier posts the system shouldn't be targeted at equalising 3, 4 or 5 secs per lap difference between drivers.
What I was trying to say is that drivers will only end up carrying as much ballast as they can handle. Everyone's competitive limit will be different so by setting a limit too low you risk somebody still being dominant.
Having said that, despite me saying it should be unlimited earlier I think 200kg is enough. A maximum of 2 secs per lap penalty (roughly) is enough IMO for both classes to have very competitive championships. As stated in earlier posts the system shouldn't be targeted at equalising 3, 4 or 5 secs per lap difference between drivers.
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Maybe I could race in season 3
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toyotsupra
I personally think you got a lot potential as a SIM racer. Seems sometimes you get caught up in the moment and forget where cars around you are. This skill comes with practice. You are involved in leagues and this will help you develop skills that are required to be honed to run WSGTC. No worries man, it was a tough call to make for the head cheeses. No one wanted to have to remove racers. It's when veteran racers are having races ruined that the stewards and admins have to make a tough choice.
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Oh thnks mate for the comments I do remember from last race in Monaco that I hit red by accident he was just sooo slow exiting first corner I'm sorry about that but accidents do happen just like in real racing.
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- KamyKaze1098
AndilAwesome 👍 Any other GT500 drivers want to man up?
Kamy, which one of us gets to fire Pagi off the circuit first..?
I guess we can team up and do it together. To give him a welcome to the class.
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- Paginas
I guess we can team up and do it together. To give him a welcome to the class.
Il take you both on!!!! BRING IT haha
Yea supra join next season maybe even try out the gt300s if with me, they are soo fun to race in
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Paginas1Il take you both on!!!! BRING IT haha
Yea supra join next season maybe even try out the gt300s if with me, they are soo fun to race in
Been debating going GT300.
Wonder if top 5 of GT300 points should be forced to GT500. Bottom 5 of GT500 forced to GT300. Be interesting mix up.
Been debating going GT300.
Wonder if top 5 of GT300 points should be forced to GT500. Bottom 5 of GT500 forced to GT300. Be interesting mix up.
I think both Top 5 go to other class. This might give a chance to slower drivers to go into top spots, unless the GT300 top drivers are as successful on GT500 and vice versa. Im considering going to GT300 as well, but we will see.
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Good luck to racers this weekend may the best man win in both classes
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I'm very clear about what 200 vs 100 kg ballast will do to the field.
In my WSGTC, a driver that are 2 seconds slower than the driver on top, can with enough practice improve 1 sec, and the 100 kg ballast will slow the faster driver by 1 sec. It's simply a good limit in my book, cause it will still force drivers to actually practice and improve to get a good result.
Some drivers put in a lot of practice, and some just show for the race..
I want the level in WSGTC to be at a level were a driver at least need to put in some effort to keep up, not wait until the top drivers got 100-200 kg ballast to get a result.
And since quali will be done with ballast, the scenario where a driver who got 100 kg ballast get pole will no longer be the case, and can therfore not run the optimimum startegy.
I'm also joining the GT300 class next season. Not 100% sure yet, but it's a 80% chance I'll go that route.
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Sweet, more competition! 👍
I was actually thinking of moving to GT500, but since everyone seems to be switching, then ill stay put. It's not like a raced a lot this season anyway.
By the way, i had an initial response from Fanatec CEO Thomas about sponsoring - he directed me to another person - PR person i think. Just waiting for a reply.
I was actually thinking of moving to GT500, but since everyone seems to be switching, then ill stay put. It's not like a raced a lot this season anyway.
By the way, i had an initial response from Fanatec CEO Thomas about sponsoring - he directed me to another person - PR person i think. Just waiting for a reply.
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New details about the 2.0 update (features that will directly affect WSGTC):
There's also DLC after the update:
Here's to hoping for more GT300 cars/liveries and real life tracks - preferably Japanese like Twin Ring Motegi, Sugo, Okayama, and Autoplis!
Missing and would've love to have seen in the update:
It's been almost a year, but it's better late than never. Cheers to PD!
- Replay Rewind and Fast Forward
- Cockpit view for all standard cars
- Weather Control
- User control of the weather change feature.
- Expanded online lounge features (narrowing down car types, shuffle races…
- Cockpit view for all standard cars
- Weather Control
- User control of the weather change feature.
- Expanded online lounge features (narrowing down car types, shuffle races…
There's also DLC after the update:
Here's to hoping for more GT300 cars/liveries and real life tracks - preferably Japanese like Twin Ring Motegi, Sugo, Okayama, and Autoplis!
Missing and would've love to have seen in the update:
- A better intuitive replay system with hot-keys and a better interface
- A read out for current vehicle specs inside an online lobby for faster pre-race checks
- A read out for current vehicle specs inside an online lobby for faster pre-race checks
It's been almost a year, but it's better late than never. Cheers to PD!
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Regarding ballast, i think with the limited access we have right now to police the regulations before each race is best to keep the ballast as it is. Maybe extend the weight penalties to 5th position if not too many works. But 200KG max is fine by me.
Yes with a 100kg penalties the car definitely feels different, with 200kg it will no longer be competitive with the rest of the field. But 200KG top limit should do the job to slow the leader winning every race or come to podium every race. It will be hard to finish top 3 with that much of a ballast.
The proposed point system is good, i like it. As long as we make it as close as possible to the real life SuperGT regulation I'm happy. And i know we all want to do that, but with all the limitation we have in the game its hard to achieve a 100% imitation of the real rules. So we need to find a perfect balance that makes WSGTC competitive and fun and equal not to mention.
WSGTC season 2 so far i think is competitive, ballast really affect my overall finishing position, but because of unfortunate circumstances to other drivers during race (Rage-quit, DC'd, etc) i can stay consistently finish on the top 5. But if everything is perfect when no drivers DC'd, its safe to say that its going to be really hard for me to finish the race with the top contender.
PS: Since i tried the ARTA Garaiya at Nur during practice i already stated my interest to move to GT300 next season. But I'm still undecided, who knows the DLC will include a HSV-010 or a newer GT-R or SC430
Yes with a 100kg penalties the car definitely feels different, with 200kg it will no longer be competitive with the rest of the field. But 200KG top limit should do the job to slow the leader winning every race or come to podium every race. It will be hard to finish top 3 with that much of a ballast.
The proposed point system is good, i like it. As long as we make it as close as possible to the real life SuperGT regulation I'm happy. And i know we all want to do that, but with all the limitation we have in the game its hard to achieve a 100% imitation of the real rules. So we need to find a perfect balance that makes WSGTC competitive and fun and equal not to mention.
WSGTC season 2 so far i think is competitive, ballast really affect my overall finishing position, but because of unfortunate circumstances to other drivers during race (Rage-quit, DC'd, etc) i can stay consistently finish on the top 5. But if everything is perfect when no drivers DC'd, its safe to say that its going to be really hard for me to finish the race with the top contender.
PS: Since i tried the ARTA Garaiya at Nur during practice i already stated my interest to move to GT300 next season. But I'm still undecided, who knows the DLC will include a HSV-010 or a newer GT-R or SC430
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I don't think it will be too hard to police. We're just adding weight, that's all 👍
But yeah, nice to hear from you. About the more complex ballast you recommended to me (the one where the whole grid is affected), i think we'll keep that on a later season. Hopefully by then, PD will have done something about it - a complete read out of car specs inside the in-race lobby 👍 right now, it'll just take too much time.
And yes (200kg ballast), the goal is to limit the success of a driver - it is for the greater good.
GT300 - Awesome! Other verbal commitments:
Chorda, Redreevos, Nepalli, and Paginas!
So GT300 will look like this as far as i know (provisional)...
But yeah, nice to hear from you. About the more complex ballast you recommended to me (the one where the whole grid is affected), i think we'll keep that on a later season. Hopefully by then, PD will have done something about it - a complete read out of car specs inside the in-race lobby 👍 right now, it'll just take too much time.
And yes (200kg ballast), the goal is to limit the success of a driver - it is for the greater good.
GT300 - Awesome! Other verbal commitments:
Chorda, Redreevos, Nepalli, and Paginas!
So GT300 will look like this as far as i know (provisional)...
Remy_K
Chorda
Redreevos
Paginas
Moleman
Scanny_Flick
Kamykaze1098
Ravellron
Nepalli
Shrugging_Atlas
GTP_Pinoy
MH4Wheel
Mule
Litchi_GTPlay
Masi_23
Am sure im missing more, but yeah... looks awesome 👍
Chorda
Redreevos
Paginas
Moleman
Scanny_Flick
Kamykaze1098
Ravellron
Nepalli
Shrugging_Atlas
GTP_Pinoy
MH4Wheel
Mule
Litchi_GTPlay
Masi_23
Am sure im missing more, but yeah... looks awesome 👍
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VOTE FOR A POINTS SYSTEM
OPTION 1
OPTION 2
OPTION 3
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VOTE HERE! Copy, Paste, and Add your Name and Vote!
This will only serve as a poll. Stewards and Admins will have the final say.
Name/Vote/Brief Comment
OPTION 1
Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (This is the exact difference of 1st through 5th from the single race system)
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (This is the exact difference of 1st through 5th from the single race system)
OPTION 2
Single Race:
30 - 24 - 19 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (higher numbers)
30 - 24 - 19 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (higher numbers)
OPTION 3
Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (score more possible points compared to Single Race)
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (score more possible points compared to Single Race)
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VOTE HERE! Copy, Paste, and Add your Name and Vote!
This will only serve as a poll. Stewards and Admins will have the final say.
Name/Vote/Brief Comment
Masi_23 - Option 1 (The lower numbers will be easier to tabulate/manage and should allow for a more competitive points championship)
Chorda - Option 3 (More points for Dual Heats)
Aderrrm - Option 1
Chorda - Option 3 (More points for Dual Heats)
Aderrrm - Option 1
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um can some post the list of Gt500 and Gt300 provisional drivers seeing Remy Chorda ect ect is getting me worried about Gt300 
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Eric, this is, and has always been my say regarding the pointsystem. It's a mix from your alternatives.. Maybee you should add it as Option 4 in your post..
Single Race:
25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (higher numbers)
[/INDENT]25 - 19 - 14 - 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Dual Heats:
Feature: 20 - 15 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Sprint: 10 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 (higher numbers)
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Done 👍
EDIT: About possible DLC cars... here's a quote from Kaz' Q&A with Honda (Link Here).
"We’re making Honda HSV now but may not be in time for GT5." -KY
This was June of 2010. Before the release of GT5. Fingers crossed on this one. I'm sure people will have second thoughts about switching to GT300 once this car is confirmed
Here's to hoping for more GT300 cars!! F430, Gallardo, Mooncraft Shiden, Vemac RD320R, Aston Martin Vantage, Mosler MT900, Corolla, and Subaru Legacy!
EDIT: About possible DLC cars... here's a quote from Kaz' Q&A with Honda (Link Here).
"We’re making Honda HSV now but may not be in time for GT5." -KY
This was June of 2010. Before the release of GT5. Fingers crossed on this one. I'm sure people will have second thoughts about switching to GT300 once this car is confirmed
Here's to hoping for more GT300 cars!!
F430, Gallardo, Mooncraft Shiden, Vemac RD320R, Aston Martin Vantage, Mosler MT900, Corolla, and Subaru Legacy!
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I'm in for the next season guys .
For the settlement, I don't want me to venture out, I let you do, you seem good at that.
I think I will stay in Garaya '08, I like this class and this car. I hope I would have teammates with whom I could share setups.
Sorry for this season, I arrived late in the championship and my availability is reduced.
. For the settlement, I don't want me to venture out, I let you do, you seem good at that.
I think I will stay in Garaya '08, I like this class and this car. I hope I would have teammates with whom I could share setups.
Sorry for this season, I arrived late in the championship and my availability is reduced.
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