World To End: BMW Working on FWD Car

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NissanSkylineN1
Do you happen to listen to a lot of Anti-Flag?
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I don't even know what that is, so no. I'm just going off a mixture of common sense and understanding how politicians work.

But I mean, if I believed the government was accurate about things, all my pot smoking friends must also being doing hard drugs and complete failures at life.

Oh wait.

As for the EPA figures, a few years back they had to change their testing methods because they were absolute junk, to the point most people didn't take them seriously.
 
Still, 42 anecdotal versus 40+ EPA is comparing apples to pineapples.

In real life, Prii get well over 50, and I've met owners online who average over 60.

My personal best is around 83 mpg on the highway. Not quite close to the near-100 mpg you can get out of the 1.5 liter 2nd gen, but good enough.

To get 40s outof a Prius, you have to drive it in a manner that would see you getting mid- to low- 30s out of a 328i.
 
Azuremen
More so when Honda has to recently deal with a class action lawsuit because of such a thing.
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I felt sorry for them with that. Every man and his dog can match or beat Honda's EPA figures for the Civic Hybrid, but one lead-footed bint comes along who can't and sues for it. Even though every carmaker on the planet, plus the EPA, uses the disclaimer "your mileage may vary".
 
Unfortunately, since the reflash did, in fact, change the fuel economy, the complainants had a leg to stand on. Wouldn't have been successful otherwise.
 
niky
Unfortunately, since the reflash did, in fact, change the fuel economy, the complainants had a leg to stand on. Wouldn't have been successful otherwise.
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Honda won the appeal though and the Judge agreed it was only for comparison between vehicles. Go multi-tier court system :P
 
Sounds very good indeed, even better with 180hp at hand. :drool:

Will this engine be available with the current Cooper S, or they will wait until the next-gen is out to fit it?
 
Yup, have to say that sounds fantastic. Doesn't seem to have any trouble revving either, and if it's anything like any of the other recent 3-cyl cars I've driven, at idle and at low revs it'll be virtually silent.

With gearchanges that quick it's hard to fault the 8-speed auto too. Seemed to react more like a dual-clutch in terms of response. Though a good 6-speed manual would probably be fun too in a 3-cyl 1-Series.
 
Forgot about this.

Azuremen
And again, your Fuelly source has ten samples. 10.
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I understand, as far as samples go, that 10 is a low number.

However, I fail to see how your sample of 2, that's two, covering a grand total of 84 miles is more relevant than my sample of 10 covering 24,762 miles. 💡

Yes, it can reach over 40mpg over a short distance but, in the real world, you're not going to attain that over a longer distance. 35mpg is the best anyone has done over a full tank on fuelly.

I'll leave it there, as it is off-topic.
 
Okay, I know I've been one of those who isn't all that bothered about the entry-level BMW being front-drive, but now I've seen these renders for a proposed 2-Series coupe, quite a lot of me wishes it'd be rear-drive again...

Edit: Actually, ignore me. It looks like such a car would be RWD.

In that case, BMW might just have a near-perfect car on its drawing board. I'll have a 2-Series Gran Coupe with the upcoming 3-cylinder in it, please. And I'd also not normally say this, but a manual 'box. And please don't make it weigh more than 1200kg. Preferably less.
 
See, I really hate Paul Tan. He gets invited to everything.

Then again, he's one of the most popular auto-bloggers in our part of the world.

(Yes, I'm subscribed to him)

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That's some absolutely gnarly sounds. I love the warble and off-beat low-rpm sound of 3-pots. Glad to see it doesn't go away with a turbo!
 
It's one of the best 3-pots I've heard, and I quite like most 3-pots anyway. Can't wait to have a go in one, though I'm not currently on BMW's invite list so it may be a while.

Any thoughts on the 2-Series renders, anyone?
 
I honestly don't like the idea that they're doing now with the naming of these new cars. It's like they're filling up all the gaps from number 1 until 10... I also still am not seeing the point of having a Gran Coupe model for each Series.
 
RocZX
It looks alright, but I don't understand they BMW is naming the 1-Series coupe, the 2-Series? They are doing the same thing to the 3-Series making the coupe the 4-Series.
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Because the 6 is the 5-series coupe. Makes sense to make it uniform across the range.

Who cares? It's all Alfanumerik gibberish to me, anyway. Call me back when the -18, -23 and -50 actually refer to real-world displacements again instead of some imaginary moving power target.
 
niky

Who cares? It's all Alfanumerik gibberish to me, anyway. Call me back when the -18, -23 and -50 actually refer to real-world displacements again instead of some imaginary moving power target.
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They haven't been that accurate for sometime, and it would be far more confusing having three cars in a range that were all -20's, but had different power levels and engine configurations.

Prince.M5
I honestly don't like the idea that they're doing now with the naming of these new cars. It's like they're filling up all the gaps from number 1 until 10... I also still am not seeing the point of having a Gran Coupe model for each Series.
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Simple - some people prefer them, I like simple three box saloon designs, but I'd rather have an equivalent 6GC to a F10 5er saloon based on looks... but then at the same time, I'd rather have an F01 7er to an equivalent 6GC.

The fact is these cars will sell because people have different wants and needs, auto-manufacturers now give people more choice. This is a good thing.
 
They could make it easy on themselves.

320e, 320i, instead of 318i and 320i. Then 320d, 320td, and 320ttd. All 2.0, just different states of tune.

Nitpicky, I know, but how can you love a system that comes up with such clunky names as X6 Xdrive35i?
 
If it looks as good as the render, I don't really give a stuff what they name it.

BMW isn't the only guilty one, of course. I drove a selection of Mercedes today. SL 350, SLK 250 CDI, C220 CDI, B180 CDI, B200 CGI. Not only is it an alphanumeric nightmare, but I've no idea whether any of the numbers actually refer to a genuine displacement. Is the 350 a 3.5? Who knows...
 
niky
They could make it easy on themselves.

320e, 320i, instead of 318i and 320i. Then 320d, 320td, and 320ttd. All 2.0, just different states of tune.

Nitpicky, I know, but how can you love a system that comes up with such clunky names as X6 Xdrive35i?
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Well, then a driver of a Mercedes C250 (which has a 1.8l engine) has a "bigger" number then you with your 320ttd with its 2.0l engine.

I totally aggree with you, but I don`t think manufacturers will go back to old times.
As a merc lover I hate the fact that the 2009-2011 E350 CDI has not only a 3l engine, but also the same engine -just a different tune- as the E300 CDI. Same with BMW. Well, manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere.
 
alonsof1fan91
As a merc lover I hate the fact that the 2009-2011 E350 CDI has not only a 3l engine, but also the same engine -just a different tune- as the E300 CDI. Same with BMW. Well, manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere.
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Why is that such a big deal? It's not like the E350 and E300 have the same performance too - the former is the quicker car. It makes zero sense to build individual engines for every single version, even in a world where reducing costs doesn't matter.
 

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