World War lV

[milefile]

I heard an interesting perspective today that says the war in Iraq is only the very begining of WW lV. It states that WW lll was the Cold War, and is over. America won, and we won something besides bragging rights... we won the right and sole ability to shape the world to our liking, to spread capitalistic democracy to every corner of the world. This process is WW lV.

I can't remember who said it. But he isn't American, and this is just his interpretation of the facts.

Discuss.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

I just call it another chapter in the Christian expansion.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile


I can't remember who said it. But he isn't American, and this is just his interpretation of the facts.

Discuss.

I actually heard an American economist or analyst (not an expert on the topic at hand) make the same remark the other day. If he thinks the Cold War was a World War, he's wrong - it was namely two powers and no actual bullets were fired. Although that's definitely the 'easy' response, I'm certain it's also the true one.

 

[rjensen11]

I don't think it was truely a war at all, more like a few spontanious battles and incidents, nothing like a war. There was no serious physical opposition, so I wouldn't call it a war, and since it was basically Australia, GB, and the US against Iraq, it wasn't really a global or World war; nothing like the whole world(less die Schweitz) against four countries.

 

[Solid Fro]

This fighting in Iraq is not a war. Congress didn't declare war on Iraq. As long as Bush keeps Congress updated about what is happening, then he does not have to ask Congress to declare or be restrained by the 90-day foreign military operations rule.

 

[Kent]

I believe the cold war never ended.

(In the eyes of the communist Russian government.)

The current President of Russia is a former KGB agent and is presently continuing the expansion of communist imperialism. (chetchnia) (spelling)

I also see russian efforts to supply places like Iraq with military equipment such as T-72 tanks and night vision gogles.

I also recognize the fact that historically and humanistically, no one likes to lose.

So in my opinion, the cold war never ended, and ww3 never began.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by GoKents
I believe the cold war never ended.

(In the eyes of the communist Russian government.)

The current President of Russia is a former KGB agent and is presently continuing the expansion of communist imperialism. (chetchnia) (spelling)

I also see russian efforts to supply places like Iraq with military equipment such as T-72 tanks and night vision gogles.

I also recognize the fact that historically and humanistically, no one likes to lose.

So in my opinion, the cold war never ended, and ww3 never began.

Um, I think it ended, after all, the US and Russia became friends, sortof. Plus, hell, many Chetchnians want their state to be back with Russia because they're having so many problems.

 

[Jpec07]

WW IV? We haven't even had a 3 yet (cold war doesn't count because there were no major military movements...)

 

[ledhed]

The cold war was a war of Ideals it started in the early 1900 S and contributed to both world wars. At first it was about social changes. It soon developed into a stuggle over spheres of influence. What we are witnessing now is the chaotic attempt to fill the vacuum created by the collapse of communism. Its almost as if the world was a big soup bone and the dogs are still at it to see who will get the biggest peice if not all of it.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Viper Zero
This fighting in Iraq is not a war. Congress didn't declare war on Iraq.

Put whatever label you want on it - it's a war. Remember, Congress didn't declare war on Iraq in 1991, or on Vietnam.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by rjensen11
Um, I think it ended, after all, the US and Russia became friends, sortof. Plus, hell, many Chetchnians want their state to be back with Russia because they're having so many problems.

For some odd reason, I think the fall of Communism has slightly more to do with the end of the Cold War than anything else. And, GoKents has an extreme-right-wing 'everybody's out to get me' viewpoint so take his "facts" with a glass of salt.

 

[Gil]

As far as I'm concerned the guy who said "I don't know what weapons WW3 will be fought with. But if we aren't very careful WW4 will be fought with sticks and rocks."
That guy was right on the money.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by Gil
As far as I'm concerned the guy who said "I don't know what weapons WW3 will be fought with. But if we aren't very careful WW4 will be fought with sticks and rocks."
That guy was right on the money.

Dude, dude, dude....
Albert Einstein: "I know not what the weapons of the next World War will be, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones."

 

[milefile]

I guess to consider the Cold War a "war" you have to broaden the possibility of war. And right off the top of my head I'd say you have to define it in terms of the end rather than the means.

In the framework of this theory WW lV is only just now begining. I think contained in the idea is an unspoken premise that WW lV will not be announced in advance and it will only be known as such when its effects are evident. This is probably because America and Britain (America's superpower partner) have figured out over the years that this would be the only way to get it done; any other way would evoke a worldwide "French" reaction.

I'm especially interested in the Cold War aspect of the idea. It definitely deserves more consideration.

 

[psonefreak]

Originally posted by M5Power
Put whatever label you want on it - it's a war. Remember, Congress didn't declare war on Iraq in 1991, or on Vietnam.

didn't they call Vietnam a "military action"?

 

[Gil]

Viet Nam was a "police action."
At least that's what the politcos called it back in the day.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by psonefreak
didn't they call Vietnam a "military action"?

Yeah, Gil's right - they used the term 'police action.'

My point was that there was never a declaration of war. Just the standard bail-out of the French.

 

[ledhed]

What we are witnessing now is the realignment of economy's broght on by the end of the cold war. old aliances are being renewed or attemted..its almost like 100 years of history never HAPPENED. Same crap different decade. Its all about who's got the money. Or more importantly who has to do the LEAST amount of work to get the money. They can all kiss my big fat hard working capitalist ass .

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by M5Power
Yeah, Gil's right - they used the term 'police action.'

My point was that there was never a declaration of war. Just the standard bail-out of the French.

And Yugoslavia was a Peace Keeping action, right?

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by rjensen11
And Yugoslavia was a Peace Keeping action, right?

Something along those lines.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by M5Power
Something along those lines.

See, I remember things, even if they happened when I was in 6th grade....(Gee, that was what, 4, nearly 5 years ago?)