Would you rather?

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Kent
Just curious, but how much experience do you have with emergency driving situations and 0 abs?
Likewise, how much time have you spent behind the wheel of a car capable of accidental power oversteer in dry weather?
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Enough to have an opinion about both of them. The family vehicles are split evenly; two has both, and the other 2 have neither. I prefer the ones that have neither as I feel more in control of the vehicle rather than have it do what it wants by itself.

Kent
What you've said about ABS and TCS sounds cool but really isn't cool anywhere other than a track. There's a reason powerful cars are equipped with TCS and if you think ABS isn't helpful then there's probably no helping you or changing your mind. ABS saves lives, tires, and stopping distances, ABS is indeed very cool.

Btw, I've spent lots of time behind the wheel of both types of cars (abs v. non abs and tcs v. no tcs).
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I get why they are equipped with such features, TCS especially, but I just don't like them. They feel like an added accessory that I don't want and have no choice but to use. I'll stick to my ancient cars.
 
I have to agree with Kent here. The only situation that not having ABS could help you in (that I can think of) is heavy braking on slick surfaces. I've never driven a car with TCS (except for that E63 for 10 minutes) so I can't really say much on it, except it can be a lot of fun without it! I personally prefer not having TCS (although lets see my opinion change when I drive something with more than 400lbft) but it's definitely a helpful safety feature.
 
xXKingJoshXx
I have to agree with Kent here. The only situation that not having ABS could help you in (that I can think of) is heavy braking on slick surfaces. I've never driven a car with TCS (except for that E63 for 10 minutes) so I can't really say much on it, except it can be a lot of fun without it! I personally prefer not having TCS (although lets see my opinion change when I drive something with more than 400lbft) but it's definitely a helpful safety feature.
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Like I said, a good driver can avoid locking them up without ABS in said situations. It's not exactly difficult and depending on the vehicle, actually requires some force to lock them up. I know my van doesn't have ABS, and I've never gotten them to fully lock up, and that was after I put an almost entirely new braking system in it. The only thing I didn't replace was the caliper mounting brackets, calipers, master cylinder and vacuum booster.

As far as TCS, the only vehicle I drove that ever had over roughly over 400 lb-ft was the pickup, so maybe that will change if I had some experience with a high powered, light-ish vehicle but as I see it right now, no thanks.
 
Slash
Like I said, a good driver can avoid locking them up without ABS in said situations. It's not exactly difficult and depending on the vehicle, actually requires some force to lock them up. I know my van doesn't have ABS, and I've never gotten them to fully lock up, and that was after I put an almost entirely new braking system in it. The only thing I didn't replace was the caliper mounting brackets, calipers, master cylinder and vacuum booster.

As far as TCS, the only vehicle I drove that ever had over roughly over 400 lb-ft was the pickup, so maybe that will change if I had some experience with a high powered, light-ish vehicle but as I see it right now, no thanks.
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So that's two... The van, don't know year but they aren't exactly known for being sporty, something tells me the brakes aren't locking on that one for reasons other than overpowering the tires. And the truck, I assume you mean that enormous truck you've previously posted pictures of...

Just curious, do you have any vehicles that are actually relevant to a discussion of TCS and ABS in sports cars or sporty cars, or cars built for an enthusiast?

It DOES make a difference.

Oh and btw, there is nothing easy about stopping without skidding under emergency braking without ABS, again, that sort of comment makes me question why I'm even bothering to discuss this with you. :(
 
The tires on the van (1999) are as bald as you can get lol.



The escape and focus are hardly what I would call sporty so you are probably right in saying it makes a difference. The standard systems used in most boring cars are the ones I don't like.
 
Blah blah blah people can't drive for 🤬

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Chevelle SS 396

or

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Gran Torino 351

or

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Charger R/T 440
 
All 3 have a lot going for them. My Ford fanboy-ism says "Screw the Chevy!" (Even though I like the Chevelle.) The Torino is awesome, but I will choose the Charger if it's a '69.
 
Civic because better looking and probably drives better.

Porsche because it's a Porsche and it's better looking than the others.

Murcielago because it's the best Lambo ever made apart from the Miura in my opinion.

Charger because best looking and because 440.
 
Aventador.
Chevelle.

Aventador because it is the newest, fastest, and IMHO best looking.

Chevelle, purely on looks. I like it.
 
Not really a fair comparison in terms of the pricing, but go with it:

1974 Ferrari 330 GTC Zagato
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or


1985 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Convertible
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The resemblance is uncanny, but I'll take the Ferrari, at least it doesn't lie about it's engine displacement on the fender.
 
...umm...in case you're talking about how it looks like 3.0 in the picture, that's an optical illusion. Here's another picture of the car with the top down:


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But if you're talking about how it says 5.0 instead of 4.9, well...the difference is just about 100cc or 0.1 liter!
I'm just saying...not that it seriously matters, it's your choice. (not trying to impose the decision to take the Mustang instead on people)

But...seriously, that's one of the least evocative Ferraris ever. It looks like a slightly bigger Fiat X1/9. Not ugly, but being a Ferrari, it just needs to be more in terms of the styling for me. I personally would take the Mustang instead, and I'm not even a huge fan of Foxbody Mustangs. (they're the least liked Mustangs to me) I don't really care about the sense of exclusivity for that particular Zagato-bodied Ferrari. My mind says, "Meh."
 
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NoobMan DS
But if you're talking about how it says 5.0 instead of 4.9, well...the difference is just about 100cc or 0.1 liter!
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The old 4.9L was 4,942 cc, so technically not 5.0L. The V8 in today's Mustang is 4,951 cc (I think, I might be wrong), so that would actually be 5.0L.
 
Corona vs. Bluebird

I like the Datsun best. And it has three esse's in the name which is better than two. And I'm a Toyota fan

Corolla vs. Civic

As Toyata fan (as I said mutiple times), this time I'll go for the Civic. It is nicer.

LMP1 Racers

Hard one. The R18 looks the kind of car that Darth Vader would drive which makes it automatically cool.
The Toyota looks like the GT-One and we know it was cool (and I am a Toyota fan)
The Porsche has a V4 engine like a Lancia Fluvia which was one of the best looking cars and best rally cars that ever existed and that makes it cool. Plus it's a Porsche.

The veredict

1. Toyota TS040
2. Audi R18
3. Porsche 919

Lamborghini Special Edition

The Countach really needs the spoiler
The Diablo is the coolest
The Murcielago is, well, a Murcielago
The Aventador is the maddest (the Countach is in need of the spoiler)

The results

1. Lamborghini Diablo
2. Lamborghini Aventador
3. Lamborghini Countach
4. Lamborghini Murcielago

More American muscle

My choice is the Charger, it's the most badass

Results

1. Charger
2. Torino
3. Chevelle

Boxy cars

I'm european and my choice is the Ferrari.
 
Chevelle v. Torino v. Charger: That's a tough one between the Chevelle and Charger for me. In the end of the day I think I'd have the Chevelle, though.
 
Azure Flare
The old 4.9L was 4,942 cc, so technically not 5.0L. The V8 in today's Mustang is 4,951 cc (I think, I might be wrong), so that would actually be 5.0L.
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There was a reason they did that; it was so people could distinguish the V8 from the 300ci 4.9L Inline 6. Five-oh is more memorable as well and is very well known because of this.
 
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Audi R18 vs. Toyota TS040 vs. Porsche 919 - I'll be the one to pick the Toyota.

Results:
1. Toyota TS040
2. Porsche 919
3. Audi R18

Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary vs. Lamborghini Diablo SE30 Jota v. Lamborghini Murcielago 40th Anniversary vs. Lamborghini Aventador LP720-4 50° Anniversario - Aventador.

Results:
1. Lamborghini Aventador LP720-5 50° Anniversario
2. Lamborghini Diablo SE30 Jota
3. Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary
4. Lamborghini Murcielago 40th Anniversary

Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 vs. Ford Gran Torino 351 vs. Dodge Charger 440 R/T - The Charger, easily.

Results:
1. Dodge Charger 440 R/T
2. Ford Gran Torino 351
3. Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396

Ferrari 330 GTZ Zagato vs. Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Convertible - Ferrari. Why is this even a comparison?
 
Corolla vs Civic: Corolla of course! Because classic Toyota fanboyism.

Le Mans cars: I'll take the Porsche because I'm a huge fan of their race cars...

Lamborghinis: Blehh... If I HAD to choose, I'd take the Countach 25 th anniversary even if it's the ugliest one made... Plus it'll make me look like less of a d-bag than any of the others.

Chevelle vs Torino vs Charger: I guess I'll have the Charger R/T, always liked them for some reason.

Ferrari 330 Zagato vs Mustang: The Ferrari obviously, even if it is really ugly.
 
Azure Flare
The resemblance is uncanny, but I'll take the Ferrari, at least it doesn't lie about it's engine displacement on the fender.
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I personally don't see the big deal about Ford doing that. Plus, you have to admit calling it the Mustang 4.9 would sound funny.
 
They are the same basicly. The badge, the style and the price are the only thing that changes. (The A8 has a V8, I think, but the displacement is the same).

So the VW because it's cheaper
 

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