WRC & NASCAR VS 96 tracks in GT5 ! Is PD sacrificing classic courses ?

[Tired Tyres]

What about just making any track that's ever been in a GT game available as a download if its not amongst the 91-95 tracks which will be in the game?

 

[magburner]

KY is always banging on about authenticity, and it is with that thought in mind that I chose for full WRC and NASCAR features - if PD are going to do it, then do it properly!

I would also like to see all original courses from across the whole of the Gran Turismo franchise making a welcome return.

You also have to remember how long it has taken to create this game. PD is just not going to start making another game right after this, It would be illogical. Why not milk GT5 for all its worth? I believe that the only thing that will be set in stone when GT5 is released is the actual graphics of the game, and the core mechanics, everything else will no doubt be tweaked, and re-tweaked as time progresses.

I wouldn't be surprised if PD included many other racing series, but as an introduction, with the option to buy and download extra content for each championship straight from the store. You can bet they are going to do it with cars and tracks, so its not too much of a leap to think they could do it with racing series too. Sony have said in the past that a micro transactions model for the PS3 was the way forward, I believe that GT5 will be the game that really kicks that model off! 👍

 

[Studentdriver]

I'm not massively read into Nascar racing... but 36 tracks? What are the differences?

C.

There are actually only 22 different tracks run in the Sprint Cup series. Although they are all different, you could group them into a few categories:

Road courses:
Infineon Raceway
Watkins Glen

Superspeedways:
Daytona
Talladega

Short tracks (all very different, actually):
Bristol
Martinsville
Richmond

1-milers (also very different):
Dover
Loudon
Phoenix

1.5-milers (also known as cookie-cutters):
Atlanta
Charlotte
Chicagoland
Homestead
Kansas
Las Vegas
Texas

2-milers:
California
Michigan

Misscellaneous:
Darlington
Indianapolis
Pocono

Personally, I would be more than satisfied with a list like: Infineon, Watkins Glen, Daytona, Bristol, Martinsville, Phoenix, Atlanta/Charlotte, California, Darlingon, Indianapolis, and Pocono. But I have no idea what to expect.

 

[ti3vom]

Watkins Glen, Infineon, Daytona, and Indy are used in other racing series so including these tracks would not be specifically for Nascar events and could very well have been added even if Nascar were not included. So adding a few Nascar only tracks, for lack of a better term, would not really cut into the total amount of tracks available.

 

[Dave A]

I don't expect PD to handle these licenses much differently to how they have handled the Super GT license (or All Japan GT license as it used to be) and have a handfull of real tracks mixed in with fictional ones in a traditional Gran Tusrismo format race series.

 

[Shooter_Greek]

I think that KY is going to implement NASCAR with a few of those mini series like we saw in GT4. For instance the one where the competition is all F1 cars for like 10 or 15 races. (i can't remeber the name of the championship) I believe that this would probalby be the same for WRC. So i think that for both WRC and NASCAR we are looking at something like 25 tracks which isn't bad it still leaves room for over 50 tracks.

Having said that i think that GT5 will be much bigger (in terms of tracks and cars) than anyone thought so we could very well see all of the major tracks in both championships included in addition to the tracks we have already seen.

 

[yeti]

There are actually only 22 different tracks run in the Sprint Cup series. Although they are all different, you could group them into a few categories:

Road courses:
Infineon Raceway
Watkins Glen

Superspeedways:
Daytona
Talladega

Short tracks (all very different, actually):
Bristol
Martinsville
Richmond

1-milers (also very different):
Dover
Loudon
Phoenix

1.5-milers (also known as cookie-cutters):
Atlanta
Charlotte
Chicagoland
Homestead
Kansas
Las Vegas
Texas

2-milers:
California
Michigan

Misscellaneous:
Darlington
Indianapolis
Pocono

Personally, I would be more than satisfied with a list like: Infineon, Watkins Glen, Daytona, Bristol, Martinsville, Phoenix, Atlanta/Charlotte, California, Darlingon, Indianapolis, and Pocono. But I have no idea what to expect.

So - these other courses - are they just ovals - or does Nascar actually have "proper" bends and stuff?

C.

 

[Northstar]

So - these other courses - are they just ovals - or does Nascar actually have "proper" bends and stuff?

C.

Are you refering to the Misc. tracks?
Darlington is identical to the Motegi speedway, only with more banking.

Pocono is triangular in shape.

And hopeully you already know what Indy looks like.

 

[RACECAR]

Ought to be interesting to see what setups people will have for Motegi. Its the same shape as Darlington but wider in length in both turns in comparison.

 

[zepheadGT3]

NASCAR????? I would take Touring Cars or ALMS or any other racing series that competes on a road course over nascar any day! WRC is fine.... its exciting and takes allot of skill to do.... but nascar???? c'mon Kaz! NASCAR has never had a place in the Gran Turismo series, and it should remain that way!! Some of the more famous nascar tracks and events, such as the Daytona 500 or and events which take place on the more famous ovals are okay.... but i do want to sacrifice circuits with right turns!!!! this is a real disappointment that Gran Turismo will also be NASCAR '09.....
On the other hand.... WRC will be really cool.... i can imagine that there could also be other non-WRC point-to-point events held with street cars on some of the tarmac stages.... that would be cool 👍
Also, after seeing the appearance of the Audi R10 in the E3 trailer, i wonder if there could be the possibility of a "proper" 24 hrs of LeMans, with 4 different classes racing at once.... that would be amazing

 

[magburner]

NASCAR????? I would take Touring Cars or ALMS or any other racing series that competes on a road course over nascar any day! WRC is fine.... its exciting and takes allot of skill to do.... but nascar???? c'mon Kaz! NASCAR has never had a place in the Gran Turismo series, and it should remain that way!! Some of the more famous nascar tracks and events, such as the Daytona 500 or and events which take place on the more famous ovals are okay.... but i do want to sacrifice circuits with right turns!!!! this is a real disappointment that Gran Turismo will also be NASCAR '09.....

Here, Take this spare flame retardant suit I have (I like to keep one spare for occasions like this)

Seriously though, I'm not a fan of NASCAR, though I am interested in how PD will implement it within GT5. I personally hate any car with more than 400bhp, but that's me. I wouldn't want them removed from the game though, just because I didn't like them. Whatever NASCAR will be, it will be a challenge, and judging by how easy people think NASCAR is, a popular one! 👍

 

[zepheadGT3]

okay, okay.... maybe i over reacted a bit..... haha
but i dont think that it was the best choice to include Nascar, purely because it goes against the whole "circuit racing" aspect that the GT series has always been about...
It will be interesting tho to see how these racing series will be incorporated into GT5.... Who knows, maybe it will be cool...

 

[RACECAR]

okay, okay.... maybe i over reacted a bit..... haha
but i dont think that it was the best choice to include Nascar, purely because it goes against the whole "circuit racing" aspect that the GT series has always been about...
It will be interesting tho to see how these racing series will be incorporated into GT5.... Who knows, maybe it will be cool...

Actually, GT has never been about circuit racing despite thats what its mostly had, its been about "Driving" (Why else would it be billed as "The Real Driving Simulator") and NASCAR is as much about driving as all other motorsports.

 

[zepheadGT3]

that wasnt what i meant.... GT has always focused on circuit-racing..... sure, there has been rallying as well, but overall, it has been about circuit racing around the world not under a particular series name, such as Formula one or nascar or WRC...
and it is my personal opinion that nascar shouldnt be in GT5 because I am not a very big fan of nascar and any kind of oval racing in general.... too booring.

 

[Krymzen18]

NASCAR shouldn't be in GT5 because you dont want it? Bit selfish don't you think. I personally can't stand watching NASCAR, I would if I was needing to sleep. But honestly, go online with your mates, set up a NASCAR race. I've raced mates on NASCAR 09, and it's a load of fun, because whatever your talent level is... you can at least compete with your mate who is too darn fast. I've had many great races with people in events that are dull from the outset.

Give NASCAR a chance. GT5 will be so huge there will be something for everyone.

 

[Earth]

that wasnt what i meant.... GT has always focused on circuit-racing..... sure, there has been rallying as well, but overall, it has been about circuit racing around the world not under a particular series name, such as Formula one or nascar or WRC...
and it is my personal opinion that nascar shouldnt be in GT5 because I am not a very big fan of nascar and any kind of oval racing in general.... too booring.

Gran Turismo has had oval racing since Gran Turismo 1 and has expanded it ever since

Your interpetation of the GT series is bias and flawed

👎

 

[liquid07]

Well the more the better I say, I have never watched Nascar but im excited to get behind the wheel of one tbh, they just look cool. Also.. I would be happy if GT5 is just an updated GT4 and the DLC is Nascar and WRC stuff (+ anything released after GT5), the more I think of it the more sensible it sounds.

 

[zepheadGT3]

Your interpetation of the GT series is bias and flawed
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c'mon man, lay off.... thats just my opinion on this issue, you dont need to criticize is just because it is different than yours....

 

[yeti]

OK - so Watkins Glen - according to wiki looks like this...

That doesn't look like an oval to me?

Are there a couple of nascar races that are actually like other circuit racing?

C.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Are there a couple of nascar races that are actually like other circuit racing?

I assume you're familiar with Infineon Raceway which was in GT4?

 

[yeti]

I assume you're familiar with Infineon Raceway which was in GT4?

Yes - but all I've ever heard about NASCAR is that it's Oval racing...

So - there are races that aren't just around Ovals (or triangles or squares) with turns going both ways...

This is important information that not a lot of people know about!!

(I was looking on wikipedia earlier - and for a good few years they even appeared to have "dirt ovals")

C.

 

[steve30x]

Im hoping all the old GT tracks from GT1 - GT4 are still there. Otherwise It will be a sad day for me to see them gone because I love racing on those fictional tracks , but if they arent in the game on release I hope they are at least in some DLC packs.

 

[Bones Brigade]

I'm hoping for a less than full season's worth of ovals and maybe 12 or so rally stages. 25 between the two leaving 70 road/street courses. That would be decent.

 

[RedBaron]

Nascars race on Laguna Seca too, aren't they? What about Palm Beach?

 

[Northstar]

Yes - but all I've ever heard about NASCAR is that it's Oval racing...

So - there are races that aren't just around Ovals (or triangles or squares) with turns going both ways...

This is important information that not a lot of people know about!!

(I was looking on wikipedia earlier - and for a good few years they even appeared to have "dirt ovals")

C.

They still have dirt tracks all around the U.S. They are a blast to watch and race.

 

[yeti]

They still have dirt tracks all around the U.S. They are a blast to watch and race.

But not in the main Nascar series anymore though?

C.

 

[zepheadGT3]

Nope, nascar is 100% asphalt.... But there are tons of dirt ovals across the us that still get good use, as evident by the video... I think including a dirt oval series like the Outlaws would be lots of fun... it would entertain the drift crowd too..

 

[myke6699]

GT5 will be first and foremost a driving game. The NASCAR and WRC license is a welcome addition but I doubt it will replace the core game. There will be a lot of space on the blue ray to include all the tracks from previous GT, and all the cars plus the new ones. Kaz mentioned that when the PD was working on the PSP version, they've learnt a lot about using memory efficiently and I'm sure GT5 will benefit from this.

 

[zepheadGT3]

If PD can basically compress GT4 into one gig of data, then you're right, these highlighted series will just be an extension of the core-game....

 

[StrokerAce]

Nascars race on Laguna Seca too, aren't they? What about Palm Beach?

Nascar used to race palm beach in the 50's and 60's there is no real race course there, they used to use palm beach lakes blvd about 3 miles from my house. Now they have PBIR. a fully outfitted motorsports park, its beautiful.

And no they dont use laguna seca.