WRC officially in Gran Turismo 5!

[Earth]

Yep so far the rally license looks like a waste.

What's the point if we still get the same rally racing from GT2-4?

I thought for sure the WRC license would mean point to point stages, official rules, but it looks like none of that is going to happen.

What, PD can now paste the WRC logo everywhere? They've done a decent job with NASCAR by adding it's rules and recreating NASCAR pitstops but I haven't seen anything special added to GT5 for WRC. The day/night changes doesnt really count as that can be for other series as well

 

[DestinyDanny]

Yep so far the rally license looks like a waste.

What's the point if we still get the same rally racing from GT2-4?

I thought for sure the WRC license would mean point to point stages, official rules, but it looks like none of that is going to happen.

What, PD can now paste the WRC logo everywhere? They've done a decent job with NASCAR by adding it's rules and recreating NASCAR pitstops but I haven't seen anything special added to GT5 for WRC. The day/night changes doesnt really count as that can be for other series as well

Come on we haven't seen much so far, you can't say it's a waste. I really doubt they would have gone through the trouble of acquiring that license to do nothing with it or use it as just an advertising gimmick. I think we will be pleasently suprised when GT5 comes out and what WRC and Nascar features will be included

 

[analog]

What, PD can now paste the WRC logo everywhere? They've done a decent job with NASCAR by adding it's rules and recreating NASCAR pitstops but I haven't seen anything special added to GT5 for WRC. The day/night changes doesnt really count as that can be for other series as well

Well NASCAR was featured heavily at E3 so I guess they spill the beans on WRC at GamesCom as it's in Europe ( and WRC is most popular in Europe as opposed to NASCAR which is most popular in the US ).
PD already hinted at including both series to cater for both audiences and as they announced most of NASCAR at E3 I suppose it's logical to assume WRC ( and European cars in general ) will feature heavily at GamesCom and the whole of the game possibly at TGS.

 

[RACECAR]

Yep so far the rally license looks like a waste.

How do you consider it a waste when it hasn't even been shown in its full extent? Gamescon will likely be the place that the WRC will be fully shown, but I wouldn't call it waste on only one course so far.

 

[Earth]

How do you consider it a waste when it hasn't even been shown in its full extent? Gamescon will likely be the place that the WRC will be fully shown, but I wouldn't call it waste on only one course so far.

I'm not keeping my hopes up for a mega blowout at Gamescon but I guess we'll see

 

[renzo42]

I Still have abit of faith in what GT5 will have to offer rally/offroad fans. Although at this point it looks like were going to be getting pretty much the same style of rallying we played in past gt series this does not bother me too much. The most important aspect for me is the physics and coming from a rural area in New Zealand where I drive on gravel everyday, I found that the gt4 gravel physics felt similar to a road that had been swept clean of all loose gravel therefore felt quite grippy. The problem with trying to replicate real life gravel physics you would find on your typical rally stage is that grip from corner to corner is usually never the same, there are always stray patches of loose gravel, ruts (even small ruts can potentialy throw your car off line or off the road if you hit them wrong), changing cambers ect ect. If PD could incorporate these different dynamics I would be really happy but I could be asking for abit much Im sure GT5 will deliver a fun offroading experience regardless

 

[Piotrov]

I think that GT5's WRC mode will be more indepth then we have seen in previous Gran Turismo games, especialy now that they have confirmed that there will be Platinum trophies for every racing discepline in the game.

Altho I wish there will be point to point stages but it seems like alot of work to build rally stages as they tend to be longer and more detailed then race tracks.

 

[Topsu]

Gran Turismo 5 will be playable in the Neste Oil Rally in Finland next weekend (29-31.7, in the Rally Expo)

They will probably run the E3 demo, and considering it is a rally event, only the Tuscany track will most likely be playable (I hope I'm wrong). Neste Oil Rally is a big event though, maybe they have made an entirely new demo for it, like the Le Mans and Nürburgring 24h's.

I hope we'll get some footage from there, hopefully some GTP-users will be going. I'm from Finland, but I won't be going

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Only Finnish gamesites, but they are reliable. I couldn't find any mention on the official rallysite, but as I said, the sources won't lie. Skeptics can use Google Translate.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

What I am afraid of is if all the rally tracks is "pinball" style like Toscana. With pinball I mean that the track is closed with a tiny fence who act like a brick wall and wall riding looks very much possible. Just imagine a proper rally track with possibility to hit trees, rocks, bumps in terrain and so on like Richard Burns rally and pretty much most rally games 👍

But like pointed out earlyer in this thread, we have not seen all of WRC from gt5 yet so I have still some hope

 

[renzo42]

Gran Turismo 5 will be playable in the Neste Oil Rally in Finland next weekend (29-31.7, in the Rally Expo)

They will probably run the E3 demo, and considering it is a rally event, only the Tuscany track will most likely be playable (I hope I'm wrong). Neste Oil Rally is a big event though, maybe they have made an entirely new demo for it, like the Le Mans and Nürburgring 24h's.

I hope we'll get some footage from there, hopefully some GTP-users will be going. I'm from Finland, but I won't be going

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Only Finnish gamesites, but they are reliable. I couldn't find any mention on the official rallysite, but as I said, the sources won't lie. Skeptics can use Google Translate.

This is great news! It will be interesting to see what arises from this event. Imagine if the famous Ouninpohja stage is there to play haha one can only dream *sigh*....

 

[chepe371]

Gran Turismo 5 will be playable in the Neste Oil Rally in Finland next weekend (29-31.7, in the Rally Expo)

Wow, this is great, ahashaha just as i was saying "PD PLZ GO TO RALLY FINLAND" like a week or 2 ago, and now they announced their presence!

This is a call to all our dear Suomalaiset to try your best to make it out there to see the GT5 booths, maybe they will unveil a new track\stage(hopefully a Finnish one!)

 

[JDMKING13]

The speakers on the pods were not good, couldnt really hear the sounds.

Just got back though, wow, great event, GT5 is simply superb! There can be no doubting any of it.
The rallying is very different to GT4, a lot harder, you have to really fight the car, but it doesnt really feel like its on ice. Lots of understeer from the C4 though. The madrid track is wonderful, great layout and really really fun to drive.
However, for me, the Gallardo on the Nurburgring (albeit the first 2 minutes of the ring) was the most fun, such a great car to drive and the overall improvements to the look and feel of the ring are excellent, the textures are super real!
Tried it in 3D, not sold on it, appeared to only be 30fps to the 2D's 60fps, was quite cool though.
Was also nice to bump in to a few other fellow GTP'ers, recognisable by GTP stickers on the sleeves of which I became a proud owner of

Roll on November.

From a member who tried rally, Looking pretty good for you guys who like rally

 

[RACECAR]

Good to know, I think I'm already sold on improved physics for the Rally cars. That means I'm gonna have twice as much fun doing power slides then I did in Dirt 2. Then of course comes the question of which car fits my driving style the best.

 

[JDMKING13]

Good to know, I think I'm already sold on improved physics for the Rally cars. That means I'm gonna have twice as much fun doing power slides then I did in Dirt 2. Then of course comes the question of which car fits my driving style the best.

No doubt man another members feeling on rally.

I was there (Orange coat) and I thought it was great!

Things I noticed
1) The nurb is more realistic in regards to the track feels thinner and the bumps really catch you out.
2) Rally is much more fluid and in my opinion feels more like driving a 4 wheel drive on a low friction surface
3) 3D is not ready yet. (If you tilt your head the 3D effect stops working and their were some major glitches in the graphics still)
4) When 3D has been finished I WANT IT! the depth of field in the cockpit view was awsome but the ability to judge the distance between other cars and breaking points really helps the realism.
5) That SLS on pro physics with everything off on the Nurb is a pig to drive with a pad, I need to get practising!

👍

 

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Yeah I also like the look of rallying in GT5, have always liked the rally bits in past GT games.

But after playing the Rallisport series and the Dirt series, is anyone else a little disappointed by the indestructible tape fences? These days it just looks amazingly wrong and out of place in an otherwise realistic game.

I don't mind there being a lot of indestructible objects, I know GT isn't about the scenery interaction, just not the tape fences, ya know?
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[Spagetti69]

^^^ you speak the truth.

 

[JohnBM01]

There was some game video I think I saw on YouTube that had the fences being bent, but not indestructible. I want to say it was either Colin McRae Rally 2005 or Richard Burns Rally. Not sure. And if the handling dynamics have really changed for rally racing, this goes to show again- PD DOES listen to us. Maybe me saying that the cars tend to handle like luxury cars on rally stages has prompted a more fluid driving model in off-road racing.

When it comes to rallying, I've always enjoyed non-tarmac rallying. You tend to push your car even more to the edge on loose gravel or snow than you do on tarmac. Plus, is there ANYTHING like kicking up a cloud of dust while navigating a tricky set of turns and switchbacks?

Now for some semi off-topic stuff. Before looking around on YouTube, I didn't know there used to be WRC rallies in Indonesia and China. The one I've seen most recently online was that of the Rally Indonesia in either 1996 or 1997. The stages look very fun as there are some tropical forests. The Rally China had some lovely scenery and some punishing stages. I didn't know of an Indonesian rally until hearing of an Indonesian stage in the very first "Colin McRae Rally." If rally racing exposes us to something, it's the natural beauty of various locations around the world (even including tarmac rally courses). Regardless of what rally/off-road courses we get for GT5, I really think PD needs to seriously consider enhancing the rally element for GT6. I'm not saying to go get rally stages raced in various rally series like Rally America (recently relaunched as "RallyCar"), the British Rally Championship, Middle East Rally Championship, All-Japan Rally Championship, and of course... the WRC; but more like find many more venues to include for proper rally racing (point-to-point) and maybe some more rallycross-appropriate tracks (like British Rallycross or the Andros Ice Trophy).



The little hint of news of GT5 at the Rally Finland is encouraging to say the least.

 

[renzo42]

so did any of gtp's flying finns manage to see the gt booth at the rally??

 

[chepe371]

Toscana Gameplay Vids from BETA Room.
Driver sucks, of course.

 

[Grandi]

so did any of gtp's flying finns manage to see the gt booth at the rally??

Yes indeed... the same demo version (apart from 3D) as in the Beta Rooms.

The rallying is very different to GT4, a lot harder, you have to really fight the car, but it doesnt really feel like its on ice.

Well described 👍 only tried the C4 here, but it was certainly a challenge. I actually thought it to be very reminiscent of some of the newer Richard Burns Rally mods (RSRBR)

 

[Imari]

Yeah I also like the look of rallying in GT5, have always liked the rally bits in past GT games.

But after playing the Rallisport series and the Dirt series, is anyone else a little disappointed by the indestructible tape fences? These days it just looks amazingly wrong and out of place in an otherwise realistic game.

I don't mind there being a lot of indestructible objects, I know GT isn't about the scenery interaction, just not the tape fences, ya know?
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I'm just watching the videos right above this after reading your comment and noticing the invisible walls still in place in the areas where there aren't fences. They're pretty close to the track too. That's a real immersion breaker and it seems so unnecessary. A little more effort would have stretched that another 5~10 metres away from the track where fewer people would even notice it.

In a similar vein, I find the fade to black and reappear on the track thing that appears in some games to be a far better deterrent to driving off road than invisible walls. It's annoying and it slows you right down so people try hard to avoid it. Wallriding the invisible walls is a viable technique if you're not a very good driver.

 

[Earth]

Of the 3 official licenses (WRC, SuperGT, NASCAR) this is looking to be the least fleshed out. Gamescon was suppose to be the big WRC blowout, but it wasn't.

Hopefully the WRC championship in GT5 uses point to point courses randomly created by the track maker. I think that would add to the experience

 

[XEPEGTP]

Of the 3 official licenses (WRC, SuperGT, NASCAR) this is looking to be the least fleshed out. Gamescon was suppose to be the big WRC blowout, but it wasn't.

Hopefully the WRC championship in GT5 uses point to point courses randomly created by the track maker. I think that would add to the experience

OMG yes, BUT PLZ PD!

NO more 2-car head to head bumperbang fests, no more WHISTLER ICE RACE head to head, NO MORE!

Those "circuits" are too wide to be rally stages but are too narrow to be racing circuits, theeres for the most part only one driving line and passing on those narrow roads with slippery surfaces without making contact is a nightmare and inhumane.

Plz PD refrain as much as possible from using those "special condition" circuits in the WRC GT Life mode.

But if you are really twisted and like to see us squirm and cringe in horror, you will do the same as GT4, and we will beat them all, because we know thats the only way to get those rare cool rally cars.

But PLZ keep it Point to Point with ONE car on track. Similar to GT2, where you race the ghost(so much better).

PS: I'm agitated because i just spent 3 hours doing the Hard Whistler Ice Race just to get that Bluebird Rally car, and I'm about to hhave a nervous breakdown.

 

[Brend]

I hope WRC gets some publicity before Nov.5th! I REALLY love WRC and it's faultering condition in terms of popularity saddens me.

 

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Are all those dusty WRC courses 2 cars maximum? Hope not. I hope they can be picked for 16 player online, but i'm starting to mentally doubt it.

I hope the track creator tracks can be raced with online with friends too.

 

[analog]

Are all those dusty WRC courses 2 cars maximum? Hope not. I hope they can be picked for 16 player online, but i'm starting to mentally doubt it.

I hope the track creator tracks can be raced with online with friends too.

16 cars on a rally track? It isn't rally cross although I do wonder how rally is going to work online.
If it's accurate you could perhaps have 16 players start with a time gap inbetween and only meet each other on track when something has gone wrong or one player being either too fast or too slow.

 

[XEPEGTP]

16 cars on a rally track? It isn't rally cross although I do wonder how rally is going to work online.
If it's accurate you could perhaps have 16 players start with a time gap inbetween and only meet each other on track when something has gone wrong or one player being either too fast or too slow.

Exactly, its basically a TT with staggered starts (although it might just simply be TT for simplicity sake, like online RSRBR)

16 cars on a tight one lane tarmac\dirt\snow stage, ya right. Might as well get the Real Bumper Car Simulator instead...

With online mode and the Course Editor able to make Point to Point stages, rally in GT5 should be much more satisfying! Finally some REAL Group B showdowns! 205 t16 evo2 ftw!

It's the offline mode i worry about...

 

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I guess the simplest way to do it would be no-collisions, 2 player only would be no fun on-line. But then maybe 2 player is also a technical limitation (all that smoke - likely) I remember rally was very limited on previous GT games.

Thinking about this kinda **** makes me worried. There are just too many different racing types, rules, restrictions, combinations to think about, I'm not sure how poly can cope. A few things I was just thinking about....

Day night - surely only limited tracks have day night, as any track nascar can race on is probably not day/night, as nascar cars don't have headlights. Also, by that logic, probably all nascar tracks/ovals also don't have day/night. Nascar have been shown on a lot of the tracks so far.

Brain melting amount of possible configurations and options.

 

[XEPEGTP]

Rallies are not races, they are rallies, they dont have starting grids or door to door action, its 2 wo\men in an anti-lag launch control equipped 750k specially designed car.

The only time cars come relatively close is if one is passing the other due to crash\mechanical failure.

2 cars head to head is one too many, but 16 staggered starts 30 seconds apart seem decent., if they mess around or idle or go wrong way, they become ghosts so they cant hinder anyone elses progress\driving line.

Eazy Peezy Japaneezy.

 

[CoolColJ]

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