WRC officially in Gran Turismo 5!

[Jujubean]

In the States you got Ken Block who has firm handshakes with the X-Games people, if the X-Games can get a few "real" rally stages (not just jumps and hoops of fire in arenas) as part of their summer AND winter X-Games, that too would do alot to expand the WRC.

I am watching the 2009 x games re-broadcast on ESPN. Of course its not WRC, but it looks pretty fun. I think head-to-head rallying could be exciting, as long as it is better than GT4, where you have to start out in second, and only you get penalized for contact, regardless of which driver caused it.

On the other hand I REEEEEEAAAAALLLY hope PD include some long point to point stages. I don't see how they can call it WRC if they completely undermine the format of the sport.

I imagine making a convincing set of special stages would take an immense amount of modeling, but maybe they could offer some stages as DLC periodically.

 

[Anathema]

I still remember when Colin McRae rolled his STI but still finished second overall.
Anyway, I'd like the rally tracks to be like Colin McRae Rally 3's were: Great visuals, and some uber jumps you can flip your car off of if not careful.

 

[chepe371]

I imagine making a convincing set of special stages would take an immense amount of modeling, but maybe they could offer some stages as DLC periodically.

Yes but on the other hand they only have to render one car, maybe 2 (staggered starts, if someone crashes and is being pased etc.) so the level of detail on the stages(and cars ie:damage dirt particles, water, snow) could be much greater.

 

[U700]

I don't see the need of WRC license if we don't get point 2 point racing..

I guess this have been said a couple of times

 

[paulpg87]

wrc in gt5 it's only for cars.. not even 2010 cars. At least on 8 october we'll have the official WRC game, here's a pic:

it's not as good as gt5 but at least there are 78 stages (7km each stage) in 13 nations, all ptp.

 

[Snaeper]

At the very least... PD should re-create Pikes Peak in it's full glory. It's a track that deserves to be represented in the GT franchise as the mother of all dirt/tarmac racing tracks.... though it's soon to become tarmac-only.

 

[Shidapu]

^^^ Agree

 

[chepe371]

I got a few beans betting that WRC2010 will be Dirt with a license. But if PD doesn't fully capitalize on the lack of a recent true-sim rally game this could be the closest thing we get to a real rally game for a minute.

 

[CaptainFederal]

I am pretty stoked about the WRC coming to GT5! I love it and now all we need is Pike's Peak Hill Climb to be confirmed and I will be a happy camper. I love the diversity of GT. I bought my PS3 just for the game since I awhile ago I switched to an Xbox 360.

But still, I can't wait to see what they have to offer us when the game finally hits shelves!

 

[gtone339]

At the very least... PD should re-create Pikes Peak in it's full glory. It's a track that deserves to be represented in the GT franchise as the mother of all dirt/tarmac racing tracks.... though it's soon to become tarmac-only.

If the track is confirmed then I might want to use this:

Hyundai - Genesis PM580

 

[Akira AC]

If the track is confirmed then I might want to use this:

Hyundai - Genesis PM580

Is that thing is a rally car ?!

 

[Venomracing]

Yeah, well sort of. Its a hillclimb car like the Suzuki XL-7 or the Toyota Tacoma

 

[RACECAR]

I got a few beans betting that WRC2010 will be Dirt with a license. But if PD doesn't fully capitalize on the lack of a recent true-sim rally game this could be the closest thing we get to a real rally game for a minute.

You would still take that poor excuse for a racing game? I have had no faith in Blackbean in Milestone or Blackbean when it comes to a car racing games (GT Evolution anyone?) and this WRC game has further confirmed they can't do a damn thing right. I personally don't see anything that'll redeem the game in my eyes and I honestly could give a care less if GT5 doesn't get a full WRC experience(or Super GT or NASCAR), I'm gonna feel more like I'm driving a rally car on a course instead of driving a toy around a cartoon world with cartoony physics. I would Dirt 2 over that game by a mile

wrc in gt5 it's only for cars.. not even 2010 cars. At least on 8 october we'll have the official WRC game.

And you know this how? We have had absolutely no confirmation on the extent of the WRC experience and not even a complete tracklist yet you make this claim based on...?

 

[Snaeper]

If the track is confirmed then I might want to use this:

Hyundai - Genesis PM580
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Of course I'd love to see that as well. I would also like to see the newer Suzuki and Rod Millen's Toyota Celica and Tacoma included to challenge the Escudo (assuming it makes a return to GT5). The Pikes Peak Fiestas and the Suzuki Record-holding car would also be nice inclusions.

 

[gtone339]

Of course I'd love to see that as well. I would also like to see the newer Suzuki and Rod Millen's Toyota Celica and Tacoma included to challenge the Escudo (assuming it makes a return to GT5). The Pikes Peak Fiestas and the Suzuki Record-holding car would also be nice inclusions.

👍👍👍

 

[LeftyWright69]

I can’t imagine that there will be a variable dust adjustment or where the lights hit the ground, other then hi and low beams but from what I can tell there will be a lot of situations where it will be impossible to see the track.

 

[Punknoodle]

In an interview with ComputerAndVideoGames, WRC 2010 devs- game director Fabio Paglianti and head of physics designer Irvin Zonca- said they are not scared of Gran Turismo 5 and the guture of their upcoming rallying game, in spite of the fact that Sony’s megaton GT5 will be releasing a mere month after their annual rallying game is released. He insisted that WRC is “real rallying” and Gran Turismo is not.

“We are not scared about Gran Turismo,” Irvin Zonca said.

“No because our game is completely different to Gran Turismo, honestly,” Fabio Paglianti chipped in with his own comment.

“It’s another kind of game. We give the players a completely different experience. It is based on the official license, which has been missing from the market for the last five years for PlayStation users and I don’t remember if there’s been a WRC game on Xbox and never on PC I think so it’s like a new kind of market in this sense.”

“It’s based on a different type of driving style because with a game like[Gran Turismo 5 you drive faster but like a real car in the road. In rally it’s completely different you have to understand; what is the ground, the grip, the speed? And then you can try and do a handbrake manoeuvre, you can try and do a counter-steering manoeuvre so it’s a completely different way of driving.”

They also go on to say that Gran Turismo 5 is far from real rallying.

“In Gran Turismo you don’t have the official 2010 cars. They are not updated,’ Zonca said. The two of them also pointed out that the cars and locations in Gran Turismo 5 are three years old.

“For example, Tuscany is not a real location. If you look at the way the graphics are polished, they’re really beautiful but the fact is that it’s not real because you have this wide circuit covered with dust, it’s a circuit with one type of gravel instead of the tarmac.”

“If we would have done Tuscany we would have had not a circuit but a starting point and an ending point, with a lot of fans, different terrains, different objects in the circuit. With Gran Turismo there are no trees and stones and bushes in the circuit, it’s like racing on a dirty track so it’s really really different.”

Before signing off, Palgianti had one last thing to say- “A fan of WRC can find, finally, a WRC game for the console and for the PC. For someone who doesn’t know anything about WRC can taste the difference, which is the difference between WRC and all the other kind of games, because it’s a rally game – completely different.”

Don’t worry Black Bean, we have a hunch GT5 will be delayed again, and you’ll be saying this same stuff next year, when GT5 will supposedly be releasing a month after WRC 2011.

Source

So it seems the devellopers are pretty smug about WRC 2010, and the auther of the blog is going on incorrectly about delays or GT5 like an ignorant idiot

 

[Ardius]

I don't see anything wrong with what they said - its the same with any specially made game, its always going to be more detailed than a game like Gran Turismo which is more general.
The author of the blog is obviously a dummy though.

 

[RACECAR]

Interesting how they say all this as if they already know how far GT will go with WRC. They talk pretty big for a company that hasn't done any good racing games so WRC 2010 better be good if they want to talk that way. As far as the Blog writer goes, either he is pretty stupid or that was intended sarcasm as it seems like he's mocking thier comments.

 

[trk29]

It is true about what they said about Tuscany. It's just a dusty track with no debris, gaurd rails(netting) to hit. Tuscany looks just like all the old rally tracks in the series. With the exception of day and night.

 

[chepe371]

Yes, no matter what Their game is like, what they said about GT's rally mode still stands, overly wide "circuits" with little to no terrain changes(save for Tahiti Maze, El Cap etc.) and a lack of truly authentic rally feel.

That's so far, but if GT really had all the aces, would they show us a typical GT "rally style" circuit? Wouldn't they show us a PTP stage? With Co Pilot Pacenotes being used?

I'm not saying WRC2010 will be the "definitive" rally game, but it will be the most recent.

GT\PD\Kaz need to start seeing beyond the asphalt. Kaz should start amateur rallying to get a perspective like he did in the NUrb24h.

How nice it would be to see Ouininpohja's fast "yumpy" straights, and the Kenyan safari unrelenting terrain in GT.

PD! Go to Neste Rally Finland, and see what it's all about. Please.

 

[Ardius]

I don't think Kaz needs to do amateur rallying when he is good friends with Sebastien Loeb .
We don't know what is in GT5 yet, only that Tuscany demo. For all we know, there could be a mix of rallycross-style like GT has always done and some point-to-point (which was in GT2 a little bit).

But GT is never going to beat the full-blown rally or F1 or touring car sims. They are always going to be better for those specific experiences because they can focus on them. GT's strength is that you can do all of them in one package with the same physics engine, but it will be difficult for it to have a full experience of any particular discipline without another suffering.
Typical example of 'Jack of all trades, master of none'.

 

[trk29]

Yes, no matter what Their game is like, what they said about GT's rally mode still stands, overly wide "circuits" with little to no terrain changes(save for Tahiti Maze, El Cap etc.) and a lack of truly authentic rally feel.

That's so far, but if GT really had all the aces, would they show us a typical GT "rally style" circuit? Wouldn't they show us a PTP stage? With Co Pilot Pacenotes being used?

I'm not saying WRC2010 will be the "definitive" rally game, but it will be the most recent.

GT\PD\Kaz need to start seeing beyond the asphalt. Kaz should start amateur rallying to get a perspective like he did in the NUrb24h.

How nice it would be to see Ouininpohja's fast "yumpy" straights, and the Kenyan safari unrelenting terrain in GT.

PD! Go to Neste Rally Finland, and see what it's all about. Please.

That's one of my main worry's. They really haven't shown us why they acquired the WRC license with the exception of the cars, they haven't shown us full damage, they haven't given enough information about standards, hopefully at gamescon they will have like atleast a 30 minute definition of what GT5 is instead of some 2 minute video.

We can all hope for a surprise. If they have official rules of NASCAR in the game one would think offficial rules of WRC is going to be in it.

 

[chepe371]

Aug 30th well see , but that's kind of like saying "They have all NASCAR Rules, but there are no ovals" ! Not much use for all the license if you can't use WRC's the way they were meant to be used.

Edit: New info, screens and video at VirtualR.net, includes hands-on by VVV.

Physics: Comparisons with Early Colin McRae 1 and 2(which im still playing on PC, great little game)

They have included All WRC 2010 locations (stages are based on the locations not exactly the same stages), plus Sim and Arcade physics modes.

http://www.virtualr.net/world-rally-championship-new-preview-material-hands-on/

 

[JohnBM01]

Let me say first that I feel guilty mentioning another game for the majority of a post in a Gran Turismo forum. Okay, I've gotten to see a video posted by XboxViewTV of WRC 2010. Our own RACECAR wasn't impressed graphically with this title. Well, I'm unimpressed graphically with this game myself as well. The physics of this game are pretty amazing from what I've seen in recent trailers for this game. Still, I don't really think this title will make enough noise in being some of the best rally racing games of the past five or ten years. The cars look pretty impressive, but the environments aren't as lovely. I'm almost inclined to say that even the old Rallisport Challenge games or MotorStorm games look better than WRC 2010.

At least, the rally physics are more RALLY physics compared to what GT games have brought. I don't want to make this about graphics vs. rally physics, but I don't seem seriously impressed with this Black Bean offering. I think even if we don't get true point-to-point rallying, I think we should at least see Japanese touge passes (which I will count as rallying). Forza has Fujimi Kaido, and Enthusia has Dragon Range (and of course, Mirage Crossing). What does Gran Turismo have? Well in its history, only Pikes Peak as far as point-to-point rallies go. But yeah... I'm not really feeling this WRC 2010 deal too much.

 

[MagpieRacer]

There must be a trump card in it somewhere for the WRC segment, GT4 had official rally cars so licensing the cars is no big deal so there must be something bigger.

 

[RACECAR]

Just saw the preview video and eh, I really hope the physics look better then that. Once again, Milestone has not convinced me they have a game worth getting, even if it has a very major license. I relize its still a work in progress, but I'm yet to see anything significant.

 

[Strittan]

http://www.virtualr.net/world-rally-championship-new-preview-material-hands-on/

You know it's a bad game when they use speed metal to promote it, lol. May be fun, but it looks like crap unfortunately.

 

[JohnBM01]

Here's a way I think about it... we've had Super GT [and former JGTC race cars] since the very first Gran Turismo, but have we ever had officially-licensed teams, drivers, and tracks? We have seen about most of what most of the tracks this series races on. You know, where's Sepang? Where is Autopolis? What about Sugo?

I just want to put that into perspective while we await what the WRC deal will be like for GT5. And knowing PD, I'm sure they'll pull a sucker punch on us to REALLY get us excited for GT5. As for speed metal, though I'm not crazy about rock music, that was a cool song.

 

[paulpg87]

OT: i've a fried that tried wrc by milestone, the game is good with wheels. Surely it looks crap compared to dirt etc.. but it's very good ( not as good as richard burns rally) way better than arcade **** like dirt. Surely it will be the only real rally game cause in pd they can only make good looking tracks like toscana that can't even be compared to real rally stages.